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About toxcity and punishment.

The Candylandman··5 votes·1,132 views

I get that some things are crossing the like "Go kill yourself" or "Racist Slurs" etc. but in a society that is so damn sensitive why promote it? Trash talking will never go away, it happens all the time in online games, forums even in real life sports, no punishment will ever stop some people's competitive side to trash talk, you can't change human nature by simple banning an account every time someone gets offended.. That is a dictator ship thing that has never worked out well in the passed. Even then if they get banned they make smurf to get back at Riot and take it out on new players and other players by trolling where they can't get banned. I've seen it a thousand times.

People have a "Mute option" they chose not to use it, they have a language filter that they chose to turn off and yet want Riot to ban someone because they can see everything that person types in game. It boggles the mind that Riot rewards people laziness with stupidity.

Granted, yes trash talking can be immature for the most part and people shouldn't do it but isn't punishing people for simple saying "Stop trolling you idiot" a bit extreme when the guy who is being called an idiot is ruining four other people's time? Now I understand people are going to say you should just remain silent and report them and sure.. that would make sense.. "IF" Riot could punish trolls simply based on reports.. However how are they suppose to prove that some guy is constantly screwing the game over on purpose when Riot doesn't accept video as evidence?

I mean i could easily go 10 -2 in a game and make my team lose simply by ksing to get the kills and never helping team do anything. How do you prove i'd be trolling then if I never said anything in chat? Simple answer is you can't.

So we are left with two choices.. 1. go off on the troll for being an idiot and risk getting banned or 2. Say nothing , report the troll and nothing happens.

I'm sorry but punishment for trashing talking seems stupid when players have the option to mute & use language filter. Instead Riot should reward people for not trash talking rather then punish them while promoting people to use the options they have in game instead of ignore them.

I find it very odd and logically flawed the a guy can troll a thousand games and never get banned but you can get banned simply by saying the wrong thing in game a few times even if it's directed toward the guy trying to screw you and your team over.

W/e I know it's beating a dead horse it will never change.. but I would really like to know Riot's logic behind it.. If i'm in ranked I'd rather have a toxic asshole who is good that I can simply mute then a guy who says nothing but trolls the entire game to make me and 3 other people lose.

23 Comments

ModKnightsKemplar4 votes

The fact is, Riot doesn't want a game that promotes disrespect between players. League, being a team game that highly relies on teamwork, is very prone to having a lot of toxic behavior in it. If they do nothing, they are basically saying it's okay to be toxic.

The end goal of that is unacceptable. While it is true that Riot cannot fully get rid of the toxicity, that doesn't mean their policies aren't effective at all. I think the summoner's code and the way it's enforced are helping. It lets players know what is okay and what is not, and being toxic is not. Pretty simple.

Murder being illegal doesn't make murder go away, either. But that is not an argument for legalizing it. Your argument is very similar in form, although not in magnitude.

Virgil Kemp2 votes

Bunch of nonsense. They don't punish people for ruining games, they punish people for saying anything about people that are ruining games.

Don't draw the attention of griefers or you'll be punished.

qetzel5 votes

You do realise that other people are just as able to spot griefers as you are, right? If somebody on my team is feeding I have no doubt that everybody knows.

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

_I'm sorry but punishment for trashing talking seems stupid _

What "seems stupid" to you is irrelevant. Riot's rules are set in stone and you clicked "I agree" when their Terms of Service prompt appeared.

If trash talking is what you value and is make-or-break for you in a video game, then see yourself out now or end up getting banned by Riot.

MochaChank2 votes

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_I'm sorry but punishment for trashing talking seems stupid _

What "seems stupid" to you is irrelevant. Riot's rules are set in stone and you clicked "I agree" when their Terms of Service prompt appeared.

If trash talking is what you value and is make-or-break for you in a video game, then see yourself out now or end up getting banned by Riot.

Little over the top aren't you? You're highly exaggerating what OP said, and according to OP - you are the kind of person who tries as subtle as possible to troll and get under someone's skin and act non-chalant about it. But enough of that.

I agree that intention trolling is a burden on LoL. I also agree that the verbal abuse/harassment report option is overly abused. Mainly because of the myth "if I report X he will be BANNED FOR SURE". So people (stupidly) believe that if they report someone, they will be banned no matter what. They go through their life of League believing this, and sleep good at night knowing "They battled trolls all game and won. They did the community a favor by reporting everything that bothered them.". This is the core of Toxicity in LoL, in my belief. All it takes is some dumb ass to go "/all report jungler dun kno how 2 jungle" and even though you may feel justified by saying this, everyone on your team will begin to tilt. Enemy team will play harder knowing you are tilted. They will say the most basic stuff in all chat and piss you off. And you will come to the forums saying "Riot all these fking trolls omg" when all you did was bring it on yourself. Don't be the catalyst, be the resolver.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

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Little over the top aren't you? You're highly exaggerating what OP said, and according to OP - you are the kind of person who tries as subtle as possible to troll and get under someone's skin and act non-chalant about it. But enough of that.

You just contradicted yourself in 2 sentences.

Am I over the top or am I subtle as possible and nonchalant? Either way you make zero sense.

To answer your initial question - I am direct and blunt.

{quoted} They will say the most basic stuff in all chat and piss you off. And you will come to the forums saying "Riot all these fking trolls omg" when all you did was bring it on yourself. Don't be the catalyst, be the resolver.

Agreed. The problem is most of these people have a fragile ego and feel it's in their best interests to defend it by showing that troll who's really boss, which devolves into a fifty lines of chat spam no one else gives a shit about nor wants to endure. Don't take the troll bait and the game is much more enjoyable.

Troll for Trump1 votes

He said that your REACTION was over the top, and that you, as a player, are a SUBTLE TROLL.

Aren't the people who have a even frailer ego the people who get offended by said chat lines?

The Candylandman1 votes

Clearly no one gives a shit about your opinions. Your opinions are not facts don't confuse the two. You seem like one of them over sensititive type of people everyone hates in society now a days, no one cares if you are offended or not.. the sooner you realize that the better of you will be.

PersianShinobi1 votes

This logic never made sense to me. We've amend the fucking Constitution and we pass new laws every year (some of them overturning old laws). My point is, things can change. Yes, you agreed to all that when you pressed "I Agree". No, that doesn't mean that no one should advocate for change when they believe it is appropriate. Yes, according to the current rules, all the punishments are justified, but dismissing anyone's arguments against the rules themselves, not the punishments they have received, is a little bit ridiculous. I can follow the rules and speak against them at the same time. If something "seems stupid", I will speak out against it, simple as that. People thought it "seemed stupid" that gay marriage was not legal. People spoke out about it and changed. If they had all just sat around and said "Well shit, it's illegal, and we're law-abiding citizens, so there isn't shit we can do about it.", no change would have ever occurred. Instead, with protest and logical arguments, the law was changed. The same can happen at a much smaller scare, with Riot's terms of service. I'm not saying that it necessarily should, but you need to have a stronger argument than "It's in the rules!!!" to dismiss someone's opinion.

The Candylandman2 votes

I also agreed to never leave a game that I have no control over even if the power goes out or a meteor hits my house but I can be punished for it... Just cause you agree to something doesn't make it right. You also agree not to troll but those guys aren't punished so why is saying something as simple as " please ff I don't wanna play this game anymore" ban able when your team has lost all turrets and the score is 5 to 45 with an afk on your team? Simply stating the truth is apparently a crime now? I don't think I ever signed an agreement saying I will never say anything in chat because people get offended easy.. in fact they need to clarify what is considered toxicity because I can say GG and someone report me for being offensive.

PersianShinobi1 votes

I totally agree, it's way too easy to be reported for being "toxic", as the evidence is right there in chat. Meanwhile, trolls need much more repeated evidence and can still report you for being hostile towards them (really? telling a troll to "stop trolling you fucking idiot" is toxic? what do they expect, me to say "thanks for losing me the game, as long as you're happy, I'm happy!").

The Candylandman1 votes

Ya I don't know they need to fix this shit because my main account was banned for going off on a troll and I put a lot of money into that account for them to just say "Fuck you thanks for the money". My theory is they love banning people because they know people will make another account and spend more money to buy xp/ip boosts and get their skins back. I almost guarantee that's why they ban people for every stupid thing they can prove to use against disputed transactions but they can't prove trolling so that's why they get away with it.

It's a a fraud business pretty much like a credit card company. Credit Card companies count on people going over or not paying on time, that's how they make their money and same goes with Riot. They count on people slipping and getting pissed at trolls so they can ban you assuming you are so addicted to the game you will just spend money on it again and the sad part is people actually do it all the time.

PersianShinobi1 votes

Can you really blame them though? 99% of their playerbase sings praise for what they do with "toxic" players, and the vast majority of the players they ban will come back and spend more money anyways, so it's a win-win for them. If any change is going to happen, it has to hurt their wallets first.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Seems it's been going downhill on a flaming motorcycle, ever since they removed the tribunal.

Your Real Mom1 votes

That's why instead of encouraging people to not be toxic post people recommend to simply mute your team at the start of the game strictly because there is the chance that they're going to be toxic/flame throughout the game. It's better to be safe than sorry and avoid the toxicity all together.

Troll for Trump1 votes

You can't mute feeding, ping spamming, people spamming /taunt, or people following you. Also leads to a lack of communication.

Your Real Mom1 votes

Okay lets start with the first bit: feeding. If you are playing to win you should primarily focus on your gameplay and spend less time paying attention to what other players are doing especially if it is out of your control. Just because one person is playing poorly does not mean the game is over. Even in cases where every lane does poorly if you have the right mindset and keep your emotions in check you always have opportunity to at least try to turn the game around. Blaming others only sends people on your team downspiraling into a negative state. I know personally even if a comment is directed at another player on my team and not myself i still feel the tilt creeping up. Which is why NEGATIVE ATTITUDE is a reportable offense. If someone's contributing nothing but raging and flaming mute them and report them at the end of the game. By muting your teammates at the beginning you are actually doing the opposite of leading to lack of communication. As you mentioned pings can be seen and heard regardless of if they are muted. The more time you spend TYPING the LESS time you are actually playing the game! Standing there idle regardless of where you are not only renders you vulnerable and an easy target if you're afk without vision to chat but also disables you from using abilities. Winning or losing i do not type for this exact reason. I don't mute at the start personally though just because I rarely ever argue or take the time to fight with others. But instead report the toxic players as I see them in hope to bring awareness to their behavior so action can be taken. You cannot control your team but you CAN control yourself! :) if you play well your team will follow you and you can carry the game to victory together.

Troll for Trump1 votes

I meant intentional feeding. Mb. You didn't address the pinging issue; some people just stand there doing nothing, and spamming the red or MIA ping over your face, and it's stupid. So what, TYPING too much is reportable now? Ok. You CAN control yourself. But it is a team game. EVERYONE has to be positive. Even if you are neutral or positive, you won't stop the griefing premades; you won't stop the rest of your team from arguing at another; you won't stop the enemy from BMing. You can remain as impartial to the problem as you like. Muting everything is the equivalent of covering your ears and screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU". The other people will be affected by it.

Your Real Mom1 votes

Very, very few players queue up with the intent to feed and lose the game on purpose. Especially in ranked play. Most of the time they are just having a hard game and don't know how to deal with it, or the awareness of the person they're laning with is higher and they are capitalizing on their lead and continuing to pressure or kill the laner. I never said it was reportable, I was just stating that while you think you may be helping by typing a paragraph you should consider how much time it actually takes from gameplay. Not including the amount of time the other player takes to respond to you.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Very "few" (subjective, anecdotal) is still some. They still ruin everything. This happens more in lower elos, but does occur in plat+ sometimes as well. Once again, there is a difference between bad game and intentional feeding. A bad game means you are doing bad but trying. A intentional feeder autolocked Soraka top, went 0/8,is running down turrets, and spamming taunt.

If I'm typing that much, I'm probably already dead. Would rather type than play when I actually do need to type a paragraph.

Your Real Mom1 votes

Generally those are the types of players who don't get away with their behavior lol. Because it's very obvious behavior even just by reading chat logs and examining end of game statistics and graphs. Like I said, this is not something that happens EVERY game. And usually it's your attitude that causes you to lose more games, and be matched with these types of players because they are just as negative as you are whether you play well or not and honestly I do not sympathize. It's well deserved.

Virgil Kemp1 votes

it's a matter of numbers. Most players are raging children and they like having a report function to vent their rage at themselves. So it's in the game.

Gotta keep the masses happy.

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