PSA: When you are punished, only YOUR actions and sayings matter, nobody else's.

Hextech OwI·Feb 10, 2018·29 votes·1,893 views

It doesn't matter if someone have an abusive behavior with you in the first place, if you talk back by using offensive words or having an abusive behavior, you are considered violating the player behavior chart, thus you are toxic/punishable aswell.

The best thing to do in ANY CASE is to limit your interactions with the player (mute chat and, if they are excessives, mute pings).

Keep in mind that the punishment system will trigger only if a report is done. This goes in both ways. Make so you can't be reported for anything. Don't seek for any form of retaliation.

Seeing a lot of people complaining on the boards for getting punished because they were "trying to defend themselves", I feel like this was needed.

46 Comments

NaymlissFeb 10, 201811 votes

To be fair, a lot of the posts on the boards talking about getting banned for retaliating are complaining more about how the inter/troll/racist/flamer didn't get banned while they did.

Hextech OwIFeb 10, 20182 votes

As I said, the report system goes in both ways. If they don't report their abuser (if there is really one), the system won't trigger. And sadly (for them), this is something they often forget.

y0r1ckFeb 11, 20183 votes

You must have a very loose interpretation of often because I don't see any proof in your post.

Hextech OwIFeb 11, 20183 votes

I didn't put it in my post because I speak of it as a personal experience, not as a fact.

Whenever I discussed on the boards with players that received a punishment, a lot of them didn't report the one they had an argument with because they thought that the system would automatically do its job.

Even if the majority of player I've spoke with didn't report, it doesn't mean the general majority of players don't.

BijeesnyFeb 11, 20181 votes

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As I said, the report system goes in both ways. If they don't report their abuser (if there is really one), the system won't trigger. And sadly (for them), this is something they often forget.

But no matter how many times you report inter/troller/griefer (however you want to call them) won't get banned as long as they don't say a single word, or just avoid trigger words, don't be stupid and think Riot will ban them for ruining the game cuz they won't :)

ModPrandineFeb 11, 2018

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But no matter how many times you report inter/troller/griefer (however you want to call them) won't get banned as long as they don't say a single word, or just avoid trigger words, don't be stupid and think Riot will ban them for ruining the game cuz they won't :)

I beg to differ. While poor gameplay behavior is harder to detect and punish compared to chat related offenses the offenders do get banned. Gameplay related offenses when proven to be on purpose are assigned a 2-week ban as the first punishment. In case you don't believe me on this point here are three examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just three examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

BijeesnyFeb 11, 20182 votes

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I beg to differ. While poor gameplay behavior is harder to detect and punish compared to chat related offenses the offenders do get banned. Gameplay related offenses when proven to be on purpose are assigned a 2-week ban as the first punishment. In case you don't believe me on this point here are three examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just three examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

WOOOOOOOOOOOW three inters out of how many?? now, lemme show you my exaples of dedicated feeding and avoiding ban hammer: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTaKk2Bs8mpJOk4sGVzmGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5LXCMwZP0

Channel dedicated to try to break a record of longest game in LoL by taking players as a hostage in game https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8KfYhjgXopBKF_N_yA7FDA

All these players are well known in the league community and not a single ban n these guys...what the fuck Pls take a goooooood look on thse links and tell me riot is doing a good job in banning players ;)

ModPrandineFeb 11, 2018

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WOOOOOOOOOOOW three inters out of how many?? now, lemme show you my exaples of dedicated feeding and avoiding ban hammer: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTaKk2Bs8mpJOk4sGVzmGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5LXCMwZP0

Channel dedicated to try to break a record of longest game in LoL by taking players as a hostage in game https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8KfYhjgXopBKF_N_yA7FDA

All these players are well known in the league community and not a single ban n these guys...what the fuck Pls take a goooooood look on thse links and tell me riot is doing a good job in banning players ;)

You made the claim that inters, trolls and griefers don't get banned: I provided three examples that prove otherwise. I never said that the troll detection system was perfect: it's not and needs some serious work. If you see people trying to game the system then report it to Riot either in-game or via a Support Ticket. Doing that will hopefully get those people banned.

BijeesnyFeb 11, 20182 votes

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You made the claim that inters, trolls and griefers don't get banned: I provided three examples that prove otherwise. I never said that the troll detection system was perfect: it's not and needs some serious work. If you see people trying to game the system then report it to Riot either in-game or via a Support Ticket. Doing that will hopefully get those people banned.

I do, but they don't get punished, thats the problem.. And they shouldn't be 'hopefully' banned, they should be banned FOR SURE

ModPrandineFeb 11, 20181 votes

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I do, but they don't get punished, thats the problem.. And they shouldn't be 'hopefully' banned, they should be banned FOR SURE

I don't disagree with you there. Unfortunately just reporting them and hoping they'll get the punishments they deserve is about all we can do at this point in time.

Corrupt BlissFeb 10, 20184 votes

Agreed my good sir. Too many times I see "Riot Please Help I was Banned For NO reason" or "Wrongfully banned" where the poster clips edited chat logs or other things. I believe that most people honestly know why they receive their bans.

Hextech OwIFeb 10, 20182 votes

Most of time people are using the "but he/they started it" excuse and that's why they find it unfair. I think most of these players don't know why they are getting punished as they are not aware of what I have written up there. (I might be totally wrong though.)

However, when a player edit its chatlogs and lie on the situation, to me he is aware of it and that's why he lies.

Hopefully, there is always that certain Rioter that takes care to bring back the truth (without forgeting of course to smite the liar in due form). ;)

Lucian SkyFeb 12, 20181 votes

the system is broken as a fact , some duded cursed the entire team , i told him shut the hell up you idiot and told him hes reported at the end told enemys to report him couse he cursed 20 min he inted 10 he trolled trunning around the map couse we all muted him and we didn`t respond to hes curse now guess what i was banned before 14d for the same shit telling someone to kys after trolling feeding and blaming team , and now i got permabanned for what defending my team trying to get a exxesive toxic player to get pusnished i never reported people for aggresive slurs but intese curses like familys childs dead cacers like that dude , and guess what he plays even now and im banned for what , and you wanna tell me the system works as intented , and a failed script whit a jury of 12-16 kids who will judgle on a personal lvl frustrated for people flaming them in ranked couse most people on the forum are shit at the game am presto perma banned <3

and you wanna tell me its a perfect system its all about you

Lucian SkyFeb 12, 20181 votes

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im not lying or faking it , if you see the entire logs you will i was insulted in both games ,so STOP ACCUSING PEOPLE RANDOMLY OF LIENG AND DESERVED BEENING BANNED IF YOU DONT KNOW THERE STORY . i dont know the pain when your a parent and a randomon inults everyone wishs cancer to your child who is 3 weeks old , curses your dead siblings etc but you get banned for what told "stfu the hell up you idiot" and told him he makes our country ashamed and called him a pesant from the dialect he uses wich he is and pesant is not a insult .

Now scripters stil play bots stil exist people inting stil not bannable , trolling same , t1lerone stil plays the game most toxic player i ever seen . etc how is this game system fair in any morale way ?

Hextech OwIFeb 12, 20181 votes

...did you even read my post or you just came here to complain?

I never said the system was perfect. It have its flaws but it still works.

As I said, what matters is only what you said/did.

In both of your chat logs, you were harrassing the player(s). You said you were "defending your team" yet you blamed multiple players. You could have stopped at "muted and reported", but you kept blaming him. To me your punishment were totally deserved. Seeing how poorly you treat your team and talk about boards players, I doubt you're an adult. I'm pretty sure you're adding more and more lies to make you more excusable (you aren't at all).

And yes, in this context, peasant is an insult.

Let's just wait for a Rioter to expose the full case and we'll see.

AuroramancerFeb 10, 20183 votes

I disagree.

You can banter with someone else (either an enemy or ally) in chat, and you two get along great and not mad at each other. So you can say things like "you are a boosted bonobo :DDD" and they reply with "sure am but at least I didn't get dropped as a baby", and it's all in jest. But then you can have some player who is essentially a spectator to the banter, and without saying anything about it, just say in their mind "yeah im gonna report these assholes".

If you get punished, your chat log will reflect lines such as "you are a boosted bonobo :DDD" or "sure am but at least I didn't get dropped as a baby" without the context of the friendly banter.

Context absolutely matters. Chat logs should not be observed in a vacuum.

Hextech OwIFeb 11, 20181 votes

This is why the Player Support exists. If you get punished wrongfully, you can contact a Rioter that will (if you're saying the truth ofc) help you. However if you get a major punishment (chat restrictions or 2 week/permanent ban), it's likely that you have an history of bad behavior. A single report isn't enough to ban you (in most cases).

And, let's be real, your case is extremely specific. If someone reports you because you and a someone you sympathized with trashtalk each other (trashtalk is fine, flaming is not), the guy is a moron.

iamthegoatofwarFeb 11, 20181 votes

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This is why the Player Support exists. If you get punished wrongfully, you can contact a Rioter that will (if you're saying the truth ofc) help you. However if you get a major punishment (chat restrictions or 2 week/permanent ban), it's likely that you have an history of bad behavior. A single report isn't enough to ban you (in most cases).

And, let's be real, your case is extremely specific. If someone reports you because you and a someone you sympathized with trashtalk each other (trashtalk is fine, flaming is not), the guy is a moron.

and yet because you made the guy whos just observes experience "worse" they'd still ban you anyway.

AuroramancerFeb 11, 20181 votes

If you get punished wrongfully, you can contact a Rioter that will (if you're saying the truth ofc) help you. However if you get a major punishment (chat restrictions or 2 week/permanent ban), it's likely that you have an history of bad behavior. A single report isn't enough to ban you (in most cases).

A single report was enough. I was playing Treeline, and my 2 other teammates decided to troll me because I was slow to respond to an invade early in the game. They went way out of their way to troll me with gameplay behavior and flaming me in team chat. However, I was bantering with someone on the enemy team in all chat, and we were using expletives and raunchy jokes to poke at each other, but we were having a fun time with it. My 2 teammates, seeing that they weren't getting through to me in team chat, went to all chat and cited the expletive banter as a reason to rally the other 2 enemies against me, and called to 5x me with reports.

Regardless of whether the enemy team did, I know those 2 teammates of mine reported me, and I immediately got chat restricted, with that game being the only chat log on the reform card. Player Support did not provide chat logs from any other games, even when I asked if there were more games that contributed to the punishment. I pled my case to Player Support, and they only referred to my own chat lines from that game and judged them in a vacuum, without the context of mutual light-hearted banter.

The single game flagged my account, and observing my chat lines w/o context was basis enough for Player Support to stand by the system's verdict.

Context matters.

PinkajFeb 11, 20183 votes

Yup. A lot of people need this.

0DESTROYERZ0Feb 10, 20182 votes

regardless im talking back then muting

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 10, 20183 votes

Then more likely then not, you will eventually get banned.

0DESTROYERZ0Feb 10, 20182 votes

not really, nobody really ever flames me. But in the off chance someone does, im not gonna just sit there lol

Hextech OwIFeb 10, 20182 votes

Don't. Seriously. You only thing you'll achieve is to expose your account to punishements by doing that.

Serika ZeroFeb 10, 20182 votes

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RallerenPFeb 10, 20185 votes

You are right, for all those cases context matters.

For League? Not so much.

Let me phrase it like you do:

Let's say "you told a guy to kill himself in League", the obvious punishment would be a 14-day ban, right? Well, if the guy you told to commit suicide told you you were a useless piece of shit first, then the punishment would... still be a 14-day ban. The other guy is sure to get his punishment aswell.

Retaliation and initiation are equally bad.

That's why context doesn't matter.

BUT:

There are edge cases where I have to agree with you, however these edge cases are not the cases OP is addressing.

If you told someone to 'kill themselves' but meant it as 'die to the tower', then the system may very well pick that up and if you happen to get randomly reported you can get banned.

OP is addressing the first example though, because that is by far the most common one here on boards.

Hextech OwIFeb 10, 20182 votes

Good context matters. The cases you exposed are far too extreme to be compared to LoL...

We're no longer in the early 19's, ethnic discrimination or discrimination toward a certain group of people in general is today forbidden and punished in a lot of country. LoL isn't as important as saving one of your relative's life.

League of Legends is a game. Games are made to be fun, to make their players have fun.

However, like in a lot of good thing there is bad things, in this case it's the toxic players who in a way or another ruin the fun of other players.

With a lot players in the game comes aswell a lot of toxic players. The only way for Riot to reduce the toxicity is to impose rules which must be respected or else you get punished.

By having a negative behavior to you, a player breaks these rules. If you show him back a bad behavior, you break the rules aswell. It's as simple as that.

U GOT WRECKT LOLFeb 11, 20182 votes

So whenever anyone gets out of line with you in life, you are just going to cry and run looking for someone to tattle to and hope they make it all okay? The whole report system is a travesty, and the fact that such little things can trigger bans is almost as appalling as the fact that these millennial pansies are "offended" by anything and everything. I'm so glad this President isn't catering to offended sissies like the last 8 years.

Why is it that pings aren't reportable when there is a mute button, (which are abused to create toxicity more than anything else in the game) but chat with a mute button is reportable and results in bans for venting ANY sort of frustration? Kids need to learn how to man up and use the mute option if they don't like it.

Hextech OwIFeb 12, 20181 votes

The case you exposed is way too general and mostly falls within the politically correctness and the politeness.

These rules have been created by Riot as League of Legends is their game, it is part of their work take make sure to keep the game and the players as non-toxic as possible.

The report system is not perfect, but it works. Most of the Rioters and mods say so. And if you don't believe them, considering that the boards are a very small part of the LoL playerbase, watch in the "new" boards section how many posts are made by players about their account being punished. You'll be surprised.

ModPrandineFeb 12, 20181 votes

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So whenever anyone gets out of line with you in life, you are just going to cry and run looking for someone to tattle to and hope they make it all okay? The whole report system is a travesty, and the fact that such little things can trigger bans is almost as appalling as the fact that these millennial pansies are "offended" by anything and everything. I'm so glad this President isn't catering to offended sissies like the last 8 years.

Why is it that pings aren't reportable when there is a mute button, (which are abused to create toxicity more than anything else in the game) but chat with a mute button is reportable and results in bans for venting ANY sort of frustration? Kids need to learn how to man up and use the mute option if they don't like it.

If you ask me the people who need to man up are the ones who think it's okay to ruin other peoples games/experiences and get away with it. Yes there's a mute button and yes people should use it, but that doesn't mean that the person being muted should get off scott free if their behaving poorly warranted other players muting them. Also as far as I know spam pinging is reportable.

U GOT WRECKT LOLFeb 12, 20181 votes

Yes I agree, the people going 0-10 in ranked, edit:*and getting away with it, definitely need to man up and get better at the game instead of ruining their teammates games.

AMYS GRAVEFeb 11, 20182 votes

"If you don't tell me to kill myself in chat i'm going to int"

Pandemic PunchFeb 10, 20181 votes

So then every party involved should be equally punished. Correct?

Hextech OwIFeb 10, 20182 votes

As long as their behavior is not respecting the charts, both are likely to get punished, however their punishment is equivalent to the amount of punishment one account already received.

On an equally important infraction, an account having its first infraction won't get the same punishment as an account that already have received a 14 days ban.

Micro RivenFeb 11, 20181 votes

Really unfair, that they being offensive and we are the one who has to stay passive to it, and they are very likely won't get banned

goodiesohhiFeb 11, 20181 votes

Lol I just got a 14 day ban. I started it. I deserved it.. Looks like i'll focus on that game I'm supposed to be making..

T4underboltFeb 11, 20181 votes

Wow. I wish that would apply to every type of toxic behaviour. Unfortunately you can't snap when some troll interested your game because being toxic in chat is huge offense. But you can have "a bad day" 30 games in a row and still not be punished. Riot is inconsistent with their punishments and the reason is pretty much obvious.

JohnnyNeverSinsFeb 11, 20181 votes

I just wish that instead of getting banned for 14 days id get a chat restrict for like 2k games...i just cant hold it when other people talk shit to me...i cant just mute them unfortunately..i can communicate with my team through pings...no need for chat

Hextech OwIFeb 11, 20181 votes

I know that holding your ego back is a hard thing (I have myself difficulties sometimes). But this is what we must do to have an exemplary behavior and to keep LoL a nice place.

Something you can do is to un-allow the /all chat in your options or to mute everybody in the game, as pings are enough for you.

ModPrandineFeb 11, 2018

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I just wish that instead of getting banned for 14 days id get a chat restrict for like 2k games...i just cant hold it when other people talk shit to me...i cant just mute them unfortunately..i can communicate with my team through pings...no need for chat

From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

The FearcrowFeb 11, 20181 votes

There are certain key phrases that do trigger the system automatically. I do remember seeing a post about someone getting punished for telling someone to die to tower in aram, but they said it as "kys" "____, kys" and that triggered the system automatically.

Hextech OwIFeb 12, 20181 votes

I remember it aswell. Nevertheless, nobody under any circumstances should ever tell to someone "kys". The word that must be used to get killed by a turret is "execute". Any other word can be misinterpreted.

SSpecialBFeb 11, 20181 votes

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It doesn't matter if someone have an abusive behavior with you in the first place, if you talk back

Sounds like a setup for domestic abuse.

All in favor of special olympics tier queue to remove the retards from regular gamer folk, say aye

MyAccountStolen1Feb 11, 20181 votes

You guys can shout this from the rooftops, but a big chunk of the player population will ALWAYS flame back/troll back at someone who wrongs them. Its human nature and it aint gonna change.

NethhemarFeb 12, 20181 votes

I have a story for this. It was a normal so the win or loss didn't really matter. My thresh stole 2 kills and decided he was adc, sold his items and left lane to roam. Kayn thought that a bigoted attitude was cool. Forgot the other guy, but he was pretty toxic nonetheless. They had 2 afkers. Easy win right? I am not the best adc player so it was hard for me to fight Zrya alone, thus I killed her 1 time and her me 3 times. Learning is what norms is for.

I got the turret and moved on. These people were just horrible. Saying words like N*ger and Fgot and just downright nasty things about me and each other. It was like Bronze 5 had an unplanned pregnancy with Satan. So much flaming.. I disliked them very much, but I did my job. I pushed, built counter items, even got Elder alone. But I only cleaned up fights, pushed towers, and was polite. Their afkers came back.

I joined them when they need me, but didn't touch the split pushing Yorick. They ended up feeding, flaming me for farming and getting 4 turrets,when they left me in the first place. They all ended up having a worse kda than me. We lost and I reported them. They reported me for trolling. They got banned. I did not, all 3 of them, got banned and I did not. Morale of the story flame like an adult, not like a 12 year old. [katarina-love]

Hextech OwIFeb 12, 20181 votes

Well, don't flame at all but... Yeah, proof that it works x)