"You don't get banned for 1 game..."

ManBearPig916··2 votes·3,557 views

You get harassed and false reported across multiple games.

I finished a 25 game chat ban and have been false reported twice this week. One report even had a teammate lying to the other team that I am toxic and verbally abusing him.

I don't verbally abuse anymore. I do get false reported for verbal harassment if I played poorly as the jungle, though.

I had 1 game last night where a tahm ketch outdueled my aatrox. I said tahm is overpowered to be able to solo aatrox with just tank items. He called me a little *. I said I called your champ op. I didn't call you names.

Later, he and his teammate said that's how little * lose. They then reported me for toxicity.

Yes, this game, plus the other false reports of the week, all add up to justify an impending ban that I probably cannot avoid. You get verbally abused and targeted by bullies for saying anything. You also get reported for verbal abuse by these bullies when you don't even abuse anybody. You even get reported for a bad game, under the lie of verbal abuse.

Riot, you need to be fair in the future review of my account. I have reformed and am reforming, and I am still receiving reports that will get me banned. I am behaving, and I will still get banned.

29 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram25 votes

You cannot be punished for false reports. For some reason a lot of people seem to think this is the case. We have stated many times that each report is individually checked for validity. You may get a warning popup telling you that people are reporting you, but this is for your information only. You have nothing to worry about if the reports against you are not accurate.

Samus727 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FfEuj5c5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-07T20:43:19.899+0000)

You cannot be punished for false reports. For some reason a lot of people seem to think this is the case. We have stated many times that each report is individually checked for validity. You may get a warning popup telling you that people are reporting you, but this is for your information only. You have nothing to worry about if the reports against you are not accurate.

Might I suggest that Riot alter the wording of the pop ups indicating that if the report is proven false, no harm will come to the player?

This might eliminate some of the concern. Just a suggestion.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

I'd say the issue is that they don't view their behavior as wrong.

If they don't recognize that their behaviour is toxic, then any report they receive "must" seem unjustified.

ManBearPig9162 votes

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I'd say the issue is that they don't view their behavior as wrong.

If they don't recognize that their behaviour is toxic, then any report they receive "must" seem unjustified.

I am reforming. I won't be toxic anymore. I certainly wasn't toxic after my chat restriction finished. I was bullied a couple times. I already gave you 1 example. In another game, I was being bullied badly by too teamates so I said "I can't listen to you anymore. I am muting all. I will try to carry. Gl hf hope we win."

Well, we won, and I didn't get reported, but I bet I would have had we lost.

There is rampant bullying going on right now, and Riot wants us to yield to bullies and report them. fine! I had a history of being bullied. Would you like to know how I overcame my problem? I got in the bully's face and confronted him. Riot would rather we cower down and trust them to remove the bullies. I'm learning to just soak in the insults and not reply. It's bad enough that I'm naturally passive aggressive. I'm now muting a lot now and relying only on pings. I just don't want a ban.

EvilDustMan3 votes

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I am reforming. I won't be toxic anymore. I certainly wasn't toxic after my chat restriction finished. I was bullied a couple times. I already gave you 1 example. In another game, I was being bullied badly by too teamates so I said "I can't listen to you anymore. I am muting all. I will try to carry. Gl hf hope we win."

Well, we won, and I didn't get reported, but I bet I would have had we lost.

There is rampant bullying going on right now, and Riot wants us to yield to bullies and report them. fine! I had a history of being bullied. Would you like to know how I overcame my problem? I got in the bully's face and confronted him. Riot would rather we cower down and trust them to remove the bullies. I'm learning to just soak in the insults and not reply. It's bad enough that I'm naturally passive aggressive. I'm now muting a lot now and relying only on pings. I just don't want a ban.

Dude, you are a little bit crazy and paranoid. Everyone has told you you won't get banned for a punishment. And you haven't supplied the logs for the 25 game chat restriction you say you got.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

Why would he give chat logs for the 25 game ban? He said he deserved it. He simply expressed his concerns about being punished for a volume of reports rather than valid ones...which isn't true but has nothing to do with previous logs.

ManBearPig9161 votes

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Dude, you are a little bit crazy and paranoid. Everyone has told you you won't get banned for a punishment. And you haven't supplied the logs for the 25 game chat restriction you say you got.

I got a 25 game chat restriction because I asked for many to report a bully who bullied a player until they afked and then bullied me after. It's against the rules to ask people to report anybody, including bullies.

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

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I got a 25 game chat restriction because I asked for many to report a bully who bullied a player until they afked and then bullied me after. It's against the rules to ask people to report anybody, including bullies.

But false reports had nothing to do with that. That was simply you being uninformed about what was acceptable. I guess you could be concerned that other things you do are unacceptable and you dont know it. But staying silent certainly isn't one of those things and neither is saying a champion is OP.

0sergo1 votes

i never knew that ... how about when there is a toxic player on the team and after the game the team asks the other team to report him for being toxic (is this sort of an example to the situation you are talking about) ?!

ManBearPig9161 votes

Yes, we see it happen every day when we play LOL, and it is reportable and punishable. I don't ask for help reporting anymore. I just do it.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

There are 4 options:

  1. Your behaviour is toxic and you get reported -> Counts towards future punishments
  2. Your behaviour is toxic and you aren't reported -> Doesn't count towards future punishments (unless they have an automated system which check chat logs even without reports)
  3. Your behaviour isn't toxic and you are reported -> Doesn't count towards future punishments
  4. You behaviour isn't toxic and you aren't reported -> Doesn't count towards future punishments.

Even if everyone in the game reports you, it just triggers a review of the game. If your behaviour isn't toxic, then you aren't punished for it and the report is considered false.

AdanYEva1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FfEuj5c5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-07T20:43:19.899+0000)

You cannot be punished for false reports. For some reason a lot of people seem to think this is the case. We have stated many times that each report is individually checked for validity. You may get a warning popup telling you that people are reporting you, but this is for your information only. You have nothing to worry about if the reports against you are not accurate.

ur new system is driving people away, i wonder how long you can let this last, we're open for new ideas, trying new things, i hope this new evil system get's re-worked, people are now baiting u to chat so they can report you because it's the only thing that can get you seriously punished, things are different than before

Disneylord1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FfEuj5c5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-07T20:43:19.899+0000)

You cannot be punished for false reports. For some reason a lot of people seem to think this is the case. We have stated many times that each report is individually checked for validity. You may get a warning popup telling you that people are reporting you, but this is for your information only. You have nothing to worry about if the reports against you are not accurate.

but you are just a software engineer and still senior level what do you know about the report system

Auroramancer1 votes

Tantram, if I could have your attention about warning popups...

Oftentimes, warning popups come up during endgame lobby, the same place where people are typing to one another or filling out reports on a player. I've noticed that a warning popup will instantly disappear while typing (maybe the Spacebar is dismissing the popup?).

Could you give me your thoughts on making it so that warning popups can only be dismissed with a mouseclick on the confirmation button rather than receiving input from the keyboard?

SlashStriker1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FfEuj5c5,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-07T20:43:19.899+0000)

You may get a warning popup telling you that people are reporting you, but this is for your information only. You have nothing to worry about if the reports against you are not accurate.

If you did nothing wrong why do you get messages? Isn't that considered harassment?

Justerdi1 votes

Hey,

I feel like this fights against what Lyte keeps telling us, which is that community makes its own rules and decides what is allowed.

As an example, lets take a splitpush style player that rarely groups for fights. Player like this receives a lot of reports in various categories even though he is simply playing a different style. That doesn't necessarily mean that the player doesn't communicate, or does anything wrong.

Now in Lyte's way of thinking this is punishable, because the community decides he does something wrong(=gets a lot of reports). In your way the person simply used a different strategy and received a lot of false reports. These two mindsets completely fight against each other.

I believe that what Lyte has said is better in general because the quantity of reports is the only way to detect trolls that ruin games without it showing up in chat logs or stats.

EvilDustMan5 votes

Can you provide the chat logs for that punishment?

DrCyanide3 votes

If false reports and punishments were so prevalent, all of us would be in the same boat as you. But we aren't, so what's different?

ManBearPig9161 votes

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If false reports and punishments were so prevalent, all of us would be in the same boat as you. But we aren't, so what's different?

I think it's my play style. If we are losing and someone sees me farming g jungle, people are predisposed to bully the jungle for farming his devourer while we are all behind. Because I prefer more passive play at early and mid game, I become a target of bullies, unlike the other more aggressive jg players who gank tons.

Colgate Gator3 votes

You DO realize that you're asking us to blindly believe in your claims rather than the system, right?

S H A Y C 02 votes

so there is nothing in the chat logs that would suggest that you said anything...perhaps negative or offensive?

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Why wouldn't there be? He acknowledged that his previous actions were bad. He is saying now that he is concerned that false reports would lead to him being banned..probably because of past punishments already flagging his account.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Your post is entirely based on your presumption that those reports were considered valid. Given your history if that had been the case you would already be punished.

ManBearPig9161 votes

It'd always a game with a bully and liar where I get false reported.

ManBearPig9161 votes

I didn't get punished yet.

Well last night tahm 1v1 me and won. I said his champ is op to do that without a damage item. I had aatrox with 36 percent lifestyle at the time. He called me a curse word. I told him I that I said tahm is op, but that I didn't call him names. Later, I 1v1 him again and enemy Olaf jumps in. I told him to let me 1v1 tahm. He then called me a little curse word too. They both did. "that's how Lil curse words die" they said. I was quiet going forward.

Post game Had just the 3 of us left in lobby. I knew they would report me. They did. I reported them for bullying and false reporting.

ManBearPig9161 votes

I can't provide chat logs because I'm not punished yet. However, reports are piling up, and they're all provided by toxic bullies who start it and harass me all game and report me later. I don't even insult them back. The worst thing I said all week was that Tahm Ketch is overpowered and being looked at for nerfs right now.

DJColdCutz1 votes

You won't be punished directly from a false report. However, if you continue to be falsely reported and your account keeps getting flagged, and then finally you slip up one day and have even a SLIGHTLY negative game (say "gg ez" at the end and people report you for it), then you can get banned.

That's why you see plenty of posts to these boards (and what I believe your title is referencing) with people complaining about getting perma-banned, and then when they post the chat logs and it turns out they were kind of negative but not crazy toxic, the go to response is "you don't get perma-banned from just one game, you get perma-banned after several games, so WHILE THIS GAME might not have been so bad, your history of negativity caused you to finally get banned." No one ever remembers that in threads like these.

ManBearPig9161 votes

I just got reported again for harassment. I muted all shortly after mid began a rant. I was positive all game, not negative. I just want riot to know that the go-to report for anything is offensive language if you lost, regardless of evidence. Thank God I muted all, so I could not provide what is necessary to warrant punishment on myself. Be aware, Riot. A very large portion of reports are due to rage and are false.

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