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HELP - Ask Riot: Please Define Inting

woodvsmurph·1/31/2018, 3:49:48 AM·1 votes·625 views

I would love to know just what it takes to be considered intentional feeding and what it takes to be considered toxic... because by my count, over half the players on my teams this season have been int feeders, toxic, or both. And I have not received a single notification of one being punished, but if I say ANYTHING in reply, I will get chat restricted or temp banned. So I'd really like to hear what it actually takes to be considered intentional feeding and/or toxic. Also, please explain how the following is NOT toxic behavior by my teammates.

Constant shoving to the enemy tower without warding even ONCE. Forcing fights 2v2 and 2v3 and 2v4 vs opponents my teammates have already given 5 kills to 2v2 without killing more than 1 opponent during that entire time. In other words - a 1/5/0 and 0/5/1 duo forcing fights by or UNDER an enemy's tower repeatedly - continuing to rack up their death streak. How is this not intentional feeding?

Jungler ignores your pings, forces a bad gank at horrible time, and dies to enemy counter-gank. They then refuse to gank when your opponent is literally one ability and an auto away from dead. You can't finish them off however because you are also low hp and the enemy jungler is camping for them the entire laning phase. Rather than come to a lane where your jg and you could easily snowball and carry the game off of, they camp for a feeding bot lane and trade even (when you're lucky) in a 3v2 scenario or they spend 6 of the first 15 minutes camping for a midlaner with literally 0 kill potential pre-6. You manage to go even or even win lane despite being 2v1'd the entire laning phase - vs opponents who aren't beyond flashing just to chunk you out of lane or sitting in a bush they KNOW is warded for literally 1.5 min just to prevent you from laning. Meanwhile, your teammates all manage to lose or feed their lanes during this time and your jungle's biggest achievement is stealing an enemy gromp and trading 1 for 2 in a 2v1 gank on mid. So after all this, you COULD 4-1 splitpush and carry if only your team stalled at towers and wavecleared and warded. But they refuse to ward no matter how many times you ask, they force fights AWAY from their towers with no vision and feed harder, and they flame you for not tp'ing to non-existent wards to contest dragon 3v4. So you have to group. You peel 3 fed carries the entire fight - getting one to 10%hp only for your 4 teammates to get deleted without killing anyone and without even attempting to kill the adc you had stunned and bursted to 10%hp on the FRONTLINE of the enemy team. Legit, they could have thrown out 2 aa's and killed her but didn't. And rather than admit to their own failings, they all blame you for having a non-standard build for your champ. You try telling them what team needs to do - asking them to STALL and DEFEND at towers - letting you splitpush and tp for fights on YOUR terms, but they refuse and keep throwing themselves at the enemy - feeding them. Inevitably, this leaves you collapsed on by 3+ people any time you try to split and incapable of teamfighting. For asking them to do stuff like DON'T force a fight at dragon, ward, or sit at tower and farm you are "toxic" and reported by your whole team. Your build is troll, you are shit for being 2/5/6 after being camped all of laning phase with no assistance and roamed on by a fed mid with no mia from team and after being the sole frontline champ for your team vs 3 fed enemy carries while your team dies before dealing ANY meaningful damage to even a single opponent despite you tanking the burst and dps as well as the majority of the cc of the entire enemy team for the entire fight. You are told that you're greedy and selfish - all you ever do is splitpush. How is this NOT toxic of your teammates? How is this NOT inting?

But if you say that they forced a "retarded fight" or that they are being "idiots" after putting up with that shit for 25 min and patiently explaining what your team needs to do to FIX their "mistakes", then you are punished and they are essentially rewarded for their toxic intentional feeding play. Then... repeat this... for like 8 games in a row. I can't imagine why someone might get upset and call a teammate an idiot for doing the same bad play for the 10th time in a game when it's been explained 8x to them how to NOT do that bad play AGAIN. Why someone MIGHT call a teammate an idiot when a teammate defends the intentional feeder and agrees that it's YOU who's at fault for losing the game because you built 2 damage items instead of one and because YOU didn't follow them around the entire game saving them from their own stupidity; damn you for being able to splitpush 1v2 and have pressure while you left your team helpless in a 4v3; you are bronze 5 trash 2 year old for doing that and telling your team they should be able to at LEAST sit at tower and not feed 4v3.

But hey, what do I know - I was only gold 2 years in a row. I've only out-predicted casters and professional analysts on who will make it out of group stages in the past. I've only won a single 4v5 with no adc at 6 items when we hadn't broken a single inhib tower in a ranked game on a champ that scales horribly. I've only theory-crafted several high-elo champ roles and builds before KOREA. Etc. But yeah; I'm PROBABLY wrong about all that stuff and teammates like that are DEFINITELY NOT intentional feeding or being rude in the slightest. So, since I obviously don't know what inting or being toxic is if I think THAT kind of stuff from my teammates is toxic, please do explain what inting and toxic is.

5 Comments

Chermorg1/31/2018, 4:22:16 AM5 votes

Playing poorly or not having good gameplay is not intentional feeding.

Intentional feeding is the act of intentionally performing an action that a) is virtually certain to end in your death to an enemy, b) is 100% known that will be the result, and c) is performed for the purpose of dying to an enemy.

Being bad at the game and not warding, not learning from your mistakes, etc. are not intentionally feeding.

Imperial Pandaa1/31/2018, 3:59:13 AM4 votes

So, what I get out of this wall of text is you feel everything you do is correct and it is always your teams fault. Whether they push too far up without a ward (not inting), make a bad gank (not inting), camping a lane not yours (not inting), and a few other examples; they must be inting (they probably aren't).

And yes, calling your team retarded or anything similar to that is punishable. I feel like your advice is less advice and more bitching at the team.

Why does this last paragraph exist? Trying to feed a god complex? If you are so good at it brand it and sell it. Use that "talent" for better things, win March Madness contests. Apply to be a caster. Otherwise stop feeding your own ego.