Ok, I just made a post about getting chat logs posted, now I want them to clear this up, cuz you fucked up rito. You chat restricted me for calling people scrubs and telling them they're feeding. And now I can't get loot? For saying scrub? scrubs? This is ridiculous. This is a game played by adults.. if you don't want us cursing, let us say scrub at least. This is moronic.
Registeel12343 votesThe game is rated T (13+), not 18+, so you should expect young people to play League. There isn't only adults playing it.
Btw, cursing will not get you punished, as long as it's not directed to someone. Saying "Fuck, I messed up" won't get you punished, but saying "You're fucking bad, dude" will.
be pure2 votesYou'll get the ability to get loot back. they restrict chat and loot but the loot restriction is longer, and judging by the wording of your post the chat restriction has done nothing to help your attitude.
Zielmann3 votesYou bring up a very important point. To get your privilege of earning loot back, you have to actually show you've reformed over time. If somebody truly reforms, reports are that it can only be a matter of days until you're back to earning loot. But if you continue with the behavior that got you punished, you won't be showing any progress, and it'll take longer to earn loot again. In this particular case, based on the OP's attitude here, another punishment following shortly after this one seems more likely than them regaining eligibility for loot.
JhomasTefferson1 votesI'm upset because it shouldn't be against the summoner code to tell people that they are wrong and doing bad, especially when they accuse you of doing the same. And upon investigation of the system, it was likely due to the instant feedback system. So.. a bunch of bronze scrubs report me for something that is a grey area in the summoner code, and I'm chat restricted and can't get loot now, simply because of the number of reports from one game? and based on what I've read, I won't get the loot thing back for months. This is absolutely unacceptable.
If this persists I am going to gather a group of 4 friends we will continually single out and report someone every game we play together just so they suffer the same fate to point out the flaw in the system. This isn't right.
Zielmann2 votesSince it doesn't sound like your behavior was particularly excessive, your restriction was not the result of a single game's behavior (some extreme cases will trigger a punishment off individual games or cause players to skip a punishment tier, but that doesn't seem to be your case).
Based on your own admission, it sounds like you probably berate others in the game on a fairly regularly basis. It's doing this regularly over several games that causes a punishment, not a single bad game. Riot tunes the system to be lenient to one-off games. The email notices given often only contain one game's chat logs due to size restrictions. The in-client notice likely had up to 3 games of logs in it.
But there's no gray are here. Calling people out for mistakes in a negative manner is pointless. It sounds like you get frustrated yourself when people do it to you. So what makes you think they don't feel the same when you do it to them? Treat others the way you would like to be treated. Honestly, when people aren't playing well or they screw something up, they're fully aware of it. A teammate jumping in to tell them how stupid that mistake was won't help anything. It'll probably actually just make them play worse.
For the reasons I explained in my other post, how long it takes for you to earn loot again is entirely up to you. You can choose to understand that what you're doing benefits nobody and only puts your account at risk of further punishment. If you do this, it'll probably not take much time to get loot again. I've seen people say it's just a matter of days until they're getting loot again because they actually put in the effort to improve themselves.
On the other hand, if you choose to continue behaving in a manner in which is known to be negative (and will lead to punishments), then it could be a very long wait before you're earning loot again. And again, if you go this route it's more likely you'll find yourself getting further punishments before being back to earning loot.
The choice is yours.
JhomasTefferson1 votesI have received no such email. And saying "Scrub ahri, you were at 40 health and I had azir taken care of, why did you have to try to ks me and die in the process? You should have just backed off, you still would have gotten an assist and not died" To which I get the reply "Fk u. I got called a scrub, im feeding" at which point I continue to call a FEEDER a scrub warrant a chat restrict and not letting me get hextech loot?
Also, If you want feeders to be gone, get tough on feeders. I'd rather have the whole community toxic as hell and actually play the game than have people who talk nice and intentionally ruin games. Who would you rather play with, someone intentionally ruining games, telling people where you are on the map, and ksing you to feed the most possible gold to the enemy team, or someone who calls you on your mistakes, without cursing, and is hard on you for them, but actually plays the game? I think the choice is pretty clear.
Zielmann1 votesIf you were punished by the instant feedback system, you should have been sent an email. If not, you can contact player support to get the chat logs specific to your ban.
And yes, repeatedly berating allies for doing things you don't agree with is considered harassment and will get you punished if you do it enough. There are ways to make suggestions to people without calling them scrubs. And doing that is not going to get you punished. Simply saying "Ahri, you should have let me finish that kill off so you'd have lived" would communicate the same thing in a much better manner.
Would it have changed Ahri's reaction? Impossible to tell. Since that response wouldn't be calling her out as bad, it might have been better received. Or maybe she's just a dick and doesn't want anybody telling her what to do so she feeds anyhow. But if she chooses to do that, then it's 100% on her, and you're clean. Responding as you did makes you as guilty as she is (had you said nothing at all, she probably wouldn't have flipped out and started feeding).
And again, I stress that the restriction was not due to simply this game if your behavior is consistent with what you're admitting to. It takes a lot more than a single game of calling somebody a scrub to get punished.
And you're right, feeders are a problem that isn't taken lightly. That is, intentional feeding. Many people mistakenly think the 'intentional feeding' report is simply for players who died a lot, which isn't the case. There has to be actual intent for it to be intentional feeding. Fortunately, they have a system in place now that automatically detects and punishes players who are truly intentionally feeding. So no, they're not getting away with it. And you don't need to jump on a vigilante justice campaign to 'set them straight'. Just report them after and they will get punished if they make a habit of it.
JhomasTefferson1 votesMany of the past games ive recently been playing I've played with my boyfriend who can attest to my lack of toxicity.
And this was intentional. She said she was going to feed so I would lose. And she did. She stated that feeding was her intention, and then she fed the enemy team the most gold out of anyone on our team that game. It was intentional. The only thing I did was after every one of her deaths I called her a scrub.
I know people keep saying that it takes more thank one game, but I disagree. This was the first incident in a long time (a year about).
And would berating allies for breaking the summoners code still count as harassment?
be pure1 votesMany of the past games ive recently been playing I've played with my boyfriend who can attest to my lack of toxicity.
And this was intentional. She said she was going to feed so I would lose. And she did. She stated that feeding was her intention, and then she fed the enemy team the most gold out of anyone on our team that game. It was intentional. The only thing I did was after every one of her deaths I called her a scrub.
I know people keep saying that it takes more thank one game, but I disagree. This was the first incident in a long time (a year about).
And would berating allies for breaking the summoners code still count as harassment?
yes because its not needed, like they know they messed up, you saying somethign isn't going to undo what happened so what is the point in sying anything
JhomasTefferson1 votesIf they know that it's wrong to do it, why are they doing it?
Me saying something is to point out that they are wrong in case they or someone on my team doesn't know it. That's the point. Im not trying to undo something, im trying to prevent it from happening in the future.
be pure1 votesCalling them and "scrub" or a "fucking idiot" is not constructive.
Zielmann1 votesIt's a chain reaction. She wasn't intentionally feeding until you responded to her doing something you disagreed with by immediately berating her. This isn't a justification of her behavior, though (definitely not acceptable and should be punished if it happens regularly).
And would berating allies for breaking the summoners code still count as harassment?
Yes, it does. Adding to the negativity in a game only makes it that much worse for the other people in the game who aren't doing anything wrong. It also accomplishes nothing. Is calling somebody a scrub over and over actually going to result in them up and deciding "oh, I guess maybe I won't troll this person", or even "oh, I guess I'll just suddenly start playing better"? Not at all. It's only a means of your own venting of your frustrations. If you need to vent, do it, just not in the game chat. Make fun of them all you want on your voice comms. Or just talk to yourself. Or even set up a notepad document that you type all that frustration into instead (I've seen people say they've done this and that it helped).
There's zero justification for berating other people in league. That's the message Riot wants you to take away from this punishment.
JhomasTefferson1 votesNext time you see someone sexually assaulting someone, instead of getting upset with them and calling them an asshole, tell him kindly "you really shouldn't be doing that" and call the police.
If I got called a scrub and the person told me what to do in that situation to be better, I wouldn't take it personally, and would appreciate the tip.
Zielmann1 votesHardly a relevant comparison at all. We're talking about you insulting people in a game when they do something you don't agree with.
You could just as easily say "hey, I had that finished up, you didn't need to get yourself killed for it" without insulting anybody at all.
JhomasTefferson1 votesScrub is a word for someone who plays bad. He made a bad play. I don't see the problem. I wasn't malicious.
Zielmann1 votesYou're using it as a negative term. End of story. Calling somebody a scrub or noob is not okay. Telling them they're bad is not okay. Berating them for mistakes is not acceptable. None of these actually help anything. Constructive feedback can be okay, but you can't just ignore the word 'constructive' in that phrase.
Honestly, this isn't up for negotiation. By issuing the restriction, Riot is telling you that what you are doing is not okay in their game. Choice is up to you at this point whether you want to correct your behavior or not. If you choose to change your behavior (by the sounds of it, just a minor adjustment in tone and word choice), you'll start earning loot soon enough. If you choose to ignore what you've been told and not adjust your behavior, then not only do you risk not earning loot, but possibly losing your account in the future.
Randomonium1 votesSo your response to something that you perceive as being unjust is to do it to other innocent people. That's like someone going out and raping people because the police were never able to catch their rapist.
Way to set a good example, I'm sure with that attitude you'll get your rewards back in no time.
JhomasTefferson1 votesAlso why would being punished for something when I don't deserve said punishment make me jovial?
"You just got robbed, and because of that you're getting fined 50 bucks." That's your argument there.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votes"You just got robbed, and instead of calling the police, you went to find your children & constantly telling them crap for the whole 2 hours til the robber escaped, and because of that you're getting fined 50 bucks."
FTFY
Nik Nikerson1 votesThey don't care about you cursing. You can curse all day. You can't be an ass to your teammates.