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Ranked is horrible: A story

Karunamon··7 votes·1,284 views

I've played a grand total of two ranked games. Got roflstomped in both of them, though given I am not good at this game, not surprising. What is surprising is how horrible the people are.

Game 1: Queue for support/bot, get support. Absolutely nobody chats. Say hi? Ask who they want me to ban? Nothing. Okay, guess I'll play Nami. Not a single word until we spawn in rift, when Yasuo opens with "shit". And that's about all that's said. . . 20 minutes later, we're down 17 kills, 3 turrets, and a whopping 10K gold. Random pings everywhere that make no sense (?'s and !'s on warded lanes with no possibility of something being there). 2 or 3 FF votes fail because of one guy. Finally they roll up on our doorstep and the FF goes through. End the game 3/6/11 with at least some of those deaths the result of people not communicating.

Game 2: Queue for support/bot, get support. Say hi. Oh boy.. here we go again. Ask who they want me to ban? Yup, still silent. Make a comment to this effect "Oh boy is nobody chatting again?" and finally two of them pipe up. Get a bit of banter going, everything sounds good. Again, nami.

We spawn in rift. Enemy Draven opens by telling us about how big of a shit he took. (That is a verbatim quote.) Great.. muted that mess, but then my Garen starts up on it too. Fantastic. Our MF tells (not asks) me not to farm, and I say fine, ADC should get the farm anyways. So we're in bot lane, getting absolutely wrecked by a Draven/Diana combo. MF isn't farming, and since she's so far back, my E&F bounces go nowhere. Meanwhile, she starts tearing into me about how bad I am at Nami.

Hoo boy.. . . . 20 minutes later, we're down 10k gold, 14 kills, 5 turrets, and two dragons. At least 3 FF votes have failed thanks to one guy. Guess who? Yup, our toxic MF who claims we can recover from that hole, despite the rest of the team (and one guy who won't vote) wanting to get it over with. We're pushed into our nexus. Garen starts yelling at me to heal - he just saw me launch E&F, heal with what exactly, happy thoughts?

MF is running all over the place trying to keep the super minions away from the few remaining turrets, I start bubbling them because it's the only offensive weapon I have and our turrets are taking damage. Guess what? Yup, I shouldn't do that either. My CS of 25 in a 33 minute game apparently means I was stealing her farm. She dies after Draven pops up and drags her out of the nexus to be pounced on by the entire enemy team, who quickly demolishes our last bot lane tower and inhibitor. Yup, my fault too, I should have bubbled the three of them which would have let her, who just burned Flash, escape. Again, my fault.

Eventually the nexus falls, and I end at 3/6/11. We get into postgame, and the first thing out of MF's mouth is "GG Nami, don't play ranked. Apparently you were too busy stealing my farm!"

After this last pearl of wisdom, she disconnected. Reported for unsportsmanlike.

Not that it matters. I'm never touching ranked again until something, anything is done about these jerk players.

For Riot's consideration: I** would pay serious, real life money for some kind of vetting program that matches non-jerks with other confirmed non-jerks across all skills levels.**

37 Comments

Unstoppable Monk7 votes

Taking teleport on a support? They might be right, you could not be ready for ranked even though MMR is silver/gold.

Karunamon1 votes

Exhaust is redundant on a support that has 2 different CC abilities, Heal might have been useful but I doubt it given the absurd level of burst damage. That leaves what else?

Isaac Green3 votes

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Exhaust is redundant on a support that has 2 different CC abilities, Heal might have been useful but I doubt it given the absurd level of burst damage. That leaves what else?

Okay, it might be a good thing you lost these games because it will put you in a lower Elo giving you time to learn. What you typed shows a rather blatant misunderstanding of the mechanics of the game. First Nami has 3 cc abilities so that's important. Second, the exhaust isn't for you its for your dunce of an ADC who will most likely go in while you have abilities on CD. It's also insurance for the moment when you miss your bubble (or get flashed by an enemy). Third, while I honestly use to find tele on sup acceptable, the recent change to make teleport take 50 hours to finish casting it really isn't worth not having exhaust bot lane anymore.

Karunamon1 votes

What's the third one? Q and R obviously, W is a heal/poke, E is a buff.

A quick look at OP.GG shows the most common build on her is summoner 4 summoner 3 - I guess my question is why. Exhaust is a slow+debuff, but not a silence. If my ADC (or me) gets jumped on, even if I land the exhaust, Nami moves slow enough even with boots that she's easy to catch, doubly so if I'm against a ranged champion (which I usually am in bot).

I mean the stats don't lie, I just wonder the reasoning behind them.

Drugoth4 votes

I hate to break it to you but having exhaust is NOT redundant at all just because you have 2 knock ups and a slow. (I'm a Nami main) Exhaust is an extremely important summoner to bring. It cuts the enemy's total damage by 75% or something like that for 1.5 seconds.

You know how many times I've saved my ADC from Rengar burst by simply exhausting him? Any burst assassin Champs can be shut down real hard with a well timed exhaust. Please don't discount how useful this spell is.

Claret Tree1 votes

Nami's E is a buff/slow ^-^

Karunamon1 votes

E is a buff. It can only be cast on friendly champions, it speeds them up, and gives the targeted champion's slow+dmg on 3 AAs.

Claret Tree1 votes

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gives the targeted champion's slow+dmg on 3 AAs.

Said it yourself. E is a form of CC.

Karunamon1 votes

When I hear CC, I think things that can get my ADC out of trouble vs multiple champions (crowd control).

Q is a great example - ADC overextends, I can stun 1-3 people depending on how close they're standing. R is another, blast a bunch of people on a line and they're stunned for a bit.

E's slow usage is offensive - if I E my ADC, they need to land an AA first to make the slow count, which could work if it's just one other champion, but if it's two (and it's almost always 2 in bot lane), they need to use the speed boost to leg it - while the one champion is on slow, the other one is still draining their health, and the slowed one is drawing nearer and still doing full ranged damage.

StarTorched2 votes

CC is anything that effect status or disrupt it.

Slows, stuns, silence, knock up, etc etc.

Crowd Control: abilities that influence or prevent the abilities or actions of other characters. A slow is a mild preventive to chase/escape.

Crowd control also is not limited to aoes.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

There are at least two categories of CC: Hard and Soft.

Soft CCs are like slows. They can still move around and do stuff, but less well. Hard CCs are like stuns. They're stuck. They can't do almost anything and are basically at the mercy of your team....

StarTorched3 votes

the e auto attacks have a slow effect. So in total Nami has 2 hard cc and one soft. (if that's how you classify such things)

But let's take a look at exhaust: "Exhaust is a targeted Summoner spell that affects enemy champions. It reduces their movement speed and attack speed by 30%, their armor and magic resistance by 10, and their damage dealt by 40% for 2.5 seconds. "

So let's start with your scenario, shall we? Even disregarding the movement speed, they can't attack you as much anymore due to attack speed slow down. Their slow should make it easier for you to land a bubble. Also your entire kit can speed you up, and help up the gap. Now, armor and magic resistance doesn't help you in that instance unless teammates come in. And they do 40% less damage, which gives you a good relief to just run or do whatever the hell you need to to go away or peel your teammate.

But 40% damage reduction is a lot. Like damn, that is some amazing shit. If you don't think that's a lot, then think again. Most of the time you are sticking this on the enemy adc, whose power comes from not only ad but also by building attack speed. Now let's say the Draven is coming in to fight. You are taking away a chunk of his damage, but also lessening his output by reducing the speed of his auto attacks, and the slow may prevent him from catching an axe or something. Meanwhile, the armor and mr reduction makes it easier for your team to kill them, and the movement speed reduction makes sure they can't run away.

It's an ideal tool for support because there's never a point where it becomes not useful. In lane it could stomp the enemy adc and preventing him from killing you or your adc and possibly secure a kill. It could take a burst assassin or fed anything and stop them from having a successful gank. It could straight up take out the enemy _____ (fill in the blank w/ whatever you like) from being a threat in a teamfight and turn them into an easily eliminated target.

Do NOT lessen the worth of exhaust so easily. It's easily one of the best things in your pocket if you are a support. Besides, both of nami's hard cc requires you actually landing them (not landing r is kind of hard, mind you), but exhaust is something you could fall back on, or even use to make sure your cc lands. You'll find that people have a harder time dodging things with a 30% slow.

Karunamon2 votes

Ahhhh.. I was overlooking the damage reduction. Okay, that makes a ton of sense. My TP as Nami days are over, and thanks for the writeup!

StarTorched2 votes

Np ^^ I might not be the best source of info but I do know some stuff about support. Feel free to ask me other questions!

Karunamon1 votes

I might have to go make a thread in gameplay about this. I love playing Nami support, but it oftentimes feels like I'm not making much of an impact on the game. (And that's not counting the days when I'm actually landing Qs..)

StarTorched1 votes

just gotta be patient. But bubbles are so much easier to land when the person is slowed.

I once had to play a game as nami where the enemy team had 3 people with dashes. Needless to say it didn't end well.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

summoner 3 reduces damage dealt by 40%, in addition to the slows and resistance debuffs. That's strong. 40% damage off of a lategame carry is nice, on top of making them easier for your team to kill.

Bagguette1 votes

Sorry but i would fucking rage at you, You take Heal / Ignite / Exhaust as support, You are support so you are naturally 2 levels behind so any tp ganks from you would be non-threatening and you would just get dived EASILY.

Karunamon1 votes

Who said anything about ganks? Usually anytime I take TP it's so I can B, buy something, and then immediately get back to lane.

StarTorched1 votes

  1. If your adc already took heal, do not took heal, double heal is just bad, especially when you do have a heal in kit.

  2. Then you aren't using tele to its max potential, and you are not contributing as much to team as you could with ignite (to secure a kill or do damage) or with exhaust (with all of the reasons I already listed out above). Teleport is used to control of the map. The toplaner could push down their tower and then teleport to the ward bot and destroy the lane/gank for you. Or late game they could splitpush and then teleport in for the teamfight, etc etc.

You might say if I get to lane faster, get more exp/gold and therefore be more prepared for my team, but that is not as useful as any number of other things. If you are slow, buy boots, upgrade to mobis or something. You can even just e or w yourself as you walk back for speed ups. And if you dislike it, try to play more carefully in order to not have to go back as much. There are tradeoffs in every single thing you take, but as a support, you'll eventually realize that by taking teleport (and not really using them as effectively, if you are really just hoping for a faster move back to lane) you are missing out on a lot of things that would make you a much better support.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

summoner 7 is less effective when doubled. It's in the description. "The healing is halved for units recently affected." That's why they're saying don't double on summoner 7 in the same lane.

Randomonium3 votes

There are assholes everywhere, doesn't mean you should never go outside.

I've climbed out of bronze the past two seasons and the best advice I can give you is embrace the suck. Embrace the truth that you and everyone else you are playing with are all horrible at the game. Focus only on yourself and always be your harshest critic. Any time you die or one of your teammates dies you should think about how you could have prevented that death. Only by being extremely harsh with yourself and never making excuses will you be able to improve quickly.

I've focused only on improving myself all of season 5 and 6 and I'm finally seeing my hard work pay off. Lately I've had around an 80% win rate in ranked averaging a 5+ KDA with around 60% kill participation. Now I'm quickly approaching my gold 5 promos and getting matched against mostly gold teams.

I've actually been having a lot of fun in my recent games. When people make mistakes they apologize. Teammates are positive from champion select and pick champions that complement the rest of the team. Everyone is focused on winning, not just making themselves look good while they flame their team. People actually go for objectives rather than mindlessly chasing kills.

So yeah, it does get better. I hear some people say that plat and diamond are toxic but I've been having a lot of fun in my gold games.

Keepe2 votes

Fun fact. People are jerks at times, all people. Even the nicest people you can meet. Hell, it can arguably be considered jerk-like behavior to make a thread like this.

That being said, exactly what would you do here? What qualifies people for the Jerk/Non-Jerk Status. Throwing a generally nice guy to the wolves because of one bad day? And once people are IN the Jerk que, how would you get out, COULD you get out? And how likely would it be for someone to get out if their entire team is composed of jerks. Such a program would only ENCOURAGE toxicity, rather than prevent it.

Karunamon2 votes

What qualifies people for the Jerk/Non-Jerk Status

Manual review by humans that can look at patterns in someone's chat/play.

And once people are IN the Jerk que, how would you get out, COULD you get out?

You got it backwards - I don't want a LPQ like Dota has (even though I think it's a great system), I want the reverse, a HPQ where people who communicate, and don't flame can play and not have to deal with jerks.

S0kaX1 votes

And that's why I don't play ranked.

disregardable1 votes

Ranked isn't any different from normals. Play more games and you'll figure it out.

Blast Deadlift1 votes

True

Claret Tree1 votes

21/1 Jhin. Oh gosh.

I understand your point though. As a bot lane main sometimes when people are toxic/stressed they tend to blame it on the other laner, and use them as a scapegoat for everything. That's probably what happened with MF. Your mmr (like mine) is also Bronze which, sadly, is a place where most people don't understand how to look at their own mistakes and instead of critiquing themselves, decide to say things like 'Nami this is all your fault' and stuff like that.

The best thing you can do with these people, imo is be extremely positive. I don't mean not surrendering if it's a bad game, but if MF does something even remotely good, (get a kill -- save another team mate) tell them 'Nice!'. Kill them with kindness. It works, at least for me.

Worst comes to worst, mute. I hate to do it but if it comes down to it, do it.

I play a lot of Nami, and landing those clutch bubbles is super hard for me. Just curious, but have you been playing League long?

TL;DR Jerks don't understand how to look at their own mistakes.

Karunamon1 votes

Does it seriously get better as you climb a bit? I'm hoping that if I can get out of cardboard 1 that conditions will improve a bit, but the thought of having to play a ton more games that went like those is... distressing.

I'm a massive casual. Look through my history, and most of it is bot games, even though I've been around since S2/3. First person to admit I am really, really not good at this game, but it seems like the only way to get better (why I resolved to play no more bot games) is to go through the hell of awful teammate PUGs.

Claret Tree1 votes

I have a lot of gold-plat irl friends, and from what they tell me, getting higher up, passing silver-low gold is where that mentality of 'it's always my team's fault' gets better. Obviously, there are people that are still like that upper ranks, but there are far less of them.

Even streamers like Tyler1 (who's extremely toxic) tend to understand when something is their fault.

You should find a friend, try and get one around your mmr, to lane with you while you play ranked, or even normals. It's a heck of a lot easier and less stressful. I'm sure kind people on the boards, even myself in normals if you'd like, would love to go bot with you. I'm actually quite new to the game, having started in March. This behaviour is often found in normals, too :/

Sorry for the delayed response!

Blast Deadlift1 votes

It doesnt get better

Blast Deadlift1 votes

It doesn't get better as u climb. Illuminati confirmed . Laughed at that draven taking a shit though. This thread was entertaining

Veltox1 votes

I recommend you wait until Season 7 for a slightly better ranked but meh we can only hope.

Im Genie1 votes

the funny thing is Riot create this board is just for everyone release stress, and Riot doesnt care at all, what they care is how to get more money from us. Ranked game? they will think that you quit, they still have bunch of shiit is ready spend money for them

scazzman1 votes

people refuse to understand that ignoring chat altogether is just as tilting as people spamming insults. if not more so. at least if theyre insulting you you know they have you off mute and can still hear your play calls

Morality Coach1 votes

I guess people don't want to play with a Nami that BMs you about chat then takes your farm, I don't have many of these kinds of experiences when I play support.

penislivker1 votes

The biggest problem in this devil's god forsaken cancerous game is that 1 guy who does /mute all goes to his lane feeds, builds all dmg, doesnt group once, keeps pushing up without wards then in the post game lobby blames the team for the loss.Riven Yasuo . people on league are constantly butthurt by a 10 year old talking shit over the internet and that causes them to be said /mute all yasuo main. y cant both the 10 year old talking shit and the butthurt guy grow up and learn to make it go in one ear and out the other. I've personally mastered this method and mute anyone who starts talking shit. also make sure to mute everyone in the enemy team because so many asses (sometimes myself when i really want the win) try to tilt the enemy and make them spend more time typing than playing the game and idek y riot made an all chat.

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