Please keep Tyler1 banned forever Riot

Evil Jester·May 17, 2017·27 votes·1,695 views

Like seriously, He stands as the greatest example of what should happen when you are consistently toxic in game, and should remain that way. To show mercy would defeat the purpose of the ban.

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sLn eGoMay 17, 20177 votes

Why? there is a mute button use it. Riot is honestly tailoring towards soft kids that cry and complain about what someone said and what they put in chat. JUST MUTE THEM AND MOVE ON!

Evil JesterMay 17, 20174 votes

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Why? there is a mute button use it.

Why not? Toxicity is not chat exclusive.

sLn eGoMay 17, 20171 votes

uh but people get banned for chat all the time

Jo0oMay 17, 20174 votes

Beyond the narrow scope of toxicity that you've identified: Wasn't Tyler1 notorious for the practice of "running it down mid"? His name is synonymous with Draven intentionally feeding. Can't mute that.

EndlessSorcererMay 20, 20171 votes

AFAIK, intentionally feeding and purchasing accounts were the main reasons behind his bans (though toxicity was obviously a factor).

warpenguin555May 20, 20171 votes

Mute wont stop him from running down mid

Zykklon BMay 17, 20176 votes

Nah

Unban my boi

Cleanest Draven Draven in NA

IllivashiMay 19, 20174 votes

With people like Zirene speaking of good experiences with tyler and giving him props on the 180, I don't see how an unban defeats the purpose of the ban. Continuing to ban him defeats the purpose, it just shows that even if you change your attitude and yourself to be a better person that it won't matter. It pretty much sends the message of if you get punished for being toxic, no point in changing.

DrCyanideMay 19, 20174 votes

Exactly. The ideal scenario is always for the player to change their ways and come back.

I suspect if Tyler1 has really made the 180 he will be unbanned in about 6 months, making 18 months total, about as long as Incarnation was banned.

Evil JesterMay 19, 20172 votes

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With people like Zirene speaking of good experiences with tyler and giving him props on the 180, I don't see how an unban defeats the purpose of the ban. Continuing to ban him defeats the purpose, it just shows that even if you change your attitude and yourself to be a better person that it won't matter. It pretty much sends the message of if you get punished for being toxic, no point in changing.

Because it doesn't matter. A ban is a ban. Period. He knew the rules, continued to violate them despite of it, and got punished. I'm glad he learned his lesson but that doesn't excuse the past mistakes. He is still allowed to make another account and play and I bet now he will not repeat the mistakes. That is the purpose of the ban, to punish bad behavior. It is up to him if he wants to reform and change and become better. Just because he has learned from his bad behavior doesn't mean he is entitled to his account back. Playing is a privilege. rather or not he wants to change, that is his choice, and not Riots problem. The game will go on with or without him.

SecondAirbaneMay 19, 20171 votes

do u find pleasure in forum trolling? do you honestly find pleasure in it? nah i seriously wanna know do you?

Evil JesterMay 19, 20173 votes

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do u find pleasure in forum trolling? do you honestly find pleasure in it? nah i seriously wanna know do you?

If being glad that someone got what they deserve is considered trolling, then yes. I do take some pleasure in it. Even if people disagree with me.

TheGoomyGamerMay 20, 20172 votes

I agree. League does have 2nd tries, and 3rd tries, but tyler1 is on what, his 23rd??? He deserves it.

IllivashiMay 20, 20172 votes

I'm really confused as to what you are trying to state because there seems to a deep disconnect here. You statement that he isn't entitled to his account back etc as if that is the issue makes me wonder if you are informed on even the basics of his ban. Nobody cares about whether he gets his accounts back, at all. That is not the issue here, it never was. You are right, he is able to just create another account like he did when he was toxic as hell.

The ACTUAL discussion is whether the ban of his person should continue. In the jensen case, when jensen was shown to have reformed and become a better person and no longer was DDOSing or hacking or flaming people, he was no longer banned as a person from league. With Tyler1 showing this same reform in his games (not even typing 1 negative word with 3 seperate afk's during master promos, not a single int game, reviews on being very positive from Zirene, etc) people are now asking why he is not unbanned like jensen was, or why there is not at least a response on what riot expects from him on his road to being unbanned.

You and much of the community continue to post like this stating "a ban is a ban" which is true, but that isn't even the topic.. I truly wish you would inform yourself before posting, as to not look foolish.

Evil JesterMay 20, 20172 votes

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I'm really confused as to what you are trying to state because there seems to a deep disconnect here. You statement that he isn't entitled to his account back etc as if that is the issue makes me wonder if you are informed on even the basics of his ban. Nobody cares about whether he gets his accounts back, at all. That is not the issue here, it never was. You are right, he is able to just create another account like he did when he was toxic as hell.

The ACTUAL discussion is whether the ban of his person should continue. In the jensen case, when jensen was shown to have reformed and become a better person and no longer was DDOSing or hacking or flaming people, he was no longer banned as a person from league. With Tyler1 showing this same reform in his games (not even typing 1 negative word with 3 seperate afk's during master promos, not a single int game, reviews on being very positive from Zirene, etc) people are now asking why he is not unbanned like jensen was, or why there is not at least a response on what riot expects from him on his road to being unbanned.

You and much of the community continue to post like this stating "a ban is a ban" which is true, but that isn't even the topic.. I truly wish you would inform yourself before posting, as to not look foolish.

That was Riot's decision, and not my opinion, sorry that you have confused the two. 2nd this is MY discussion, so if anyone knows what the ACTUAL discussion here is, it's me. 3rdy I am fully aware of the pro player gone rogue using 3rd party hacks to disconnect players. BUT the only reason he was given a second chance was because RIOT changed the policy on bans to make them subject to periodic review, because originally they were supposed to look for accounts that resembled his profile and ban them on sight and they didn't, and lets be honest here, him being a pro player had A LOT to do with it. I think that it was bullshit that they let him off.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/8a75KeUR-the-indefinite-banning-of-tyler1

Riot says that the ban is indefinite, if they turn around now and unban him they would be hypocrites. They made that mistake once. It sends the wrong message to the community that you can be as toxic as you want because even if you get punished you can pull a 180 and be okay. That does not discourage people from being toxic because they will know that they can get away with it at least once when they shouldn't be getting away with it AT ALL. Now THAT is truly foolish.

IllivashiMay 20, 20171 votes

At least you changed what you were saying the second time around. However, with phreak saying "if Tyler1 truly reformed then he would be unbanned in a similar way to Jensen," doesn't look like an indefinite ban is ever set in stone. And if unbanning Jensen has had any consequences please list them to justify "they made that mistake once." I also have already commented before about why that wouldn't send the wrong message to the community, so I won't waste either of our times by repeating it.

Automated RivenMay 20, 20173 votes

I would agree that a ban is a ban and that it is not riots problem. But that doesnt mean that showing mercy in a situation where one has reformed is uncalled for. To call for him to remain banned forever is pretty childish IMHO. I was never a tyler1 fan, nor did I ever watch his stream. but if riot was to allow him back I would not mind in the least. A person stepping up to change who they are and seriously reform is a fantastic thing and should be encouraged. Yes its just to keep the ban. But is justice always the end all or does mercy ever play into things?

Just my two cents.

Evil JesterMay 20, 20172 votes

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I would agree that a ban is a ban and that it is not riots problem. But that doesnt mean that showing mercy in a situation where one has reformed is uncalled for. To call for him to remain banned forever is pretty childish IMHO. I was never a tyler1 fan, nor did I ever watch his stream. but if riot was to allow him back I would not mind in the least. A person stepping up to change who they are and seriously reform is a fantastic thing and should be encouraged. Yes its just to keep the ban. But is justice always the end all or does mercy ever play into things?

Just my two cents.

As long as you can prove that he reformed and isn't just faking it to get unbanned. By all means. I am still not convinced.

Automated RivenMay 20, 20172 votes

I cant prove anything. I wouldnt have any idea or any way to check. I dont even know the first thing about him. Like i said. I never watched his stream, I only know about him based on the constant posts in the forums.

IllivashiMay 20, 20171 votes

Well the way to know that he isn't faking is in regards to him being recorded off stream by other people and still maintaining his stance of dissuading toxicity, as well as instances such as his game with Zirene, where Zirene was playing on an account that wouldn't be recognized, during the game Zirene fed Tyler1's lane but Tyler1 was very positive and encouraging and that attitude helped them turn the game around. Instances where he isn't able to script the situation and doesn't know that he is being reviewed or recorded help show that at this point he is no longer faking

TeslynNov 8, 20171 votes

My god... do you even play at his level. where in your life did you ever have the chance to play with or against him in game.

i possible had to play against some Pros who at the time where boosting players and feel they are more of a headache to me verses Tyler1, one trick pony antics, that doesnt effect me in any way.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 8, 20173 votes

This thread's 6 months old....

JustMonika13Nov 8, 20171 votes

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This thread's 6 months old....

Just realized this lol

IllivashiNov 8, 20171 votes

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Just realized this lol

... ya. Also he already has his road map to un ban now in under 3 months so... pce

JustMonika13Nov 8, 20171 votes

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With people like Zirene speaking of good experiences with tyler and giving him props on the 180, I don't see how an unban defeats the purpose of the ban. Continuing to ban him defeats the purpose, it just shows that even if you change your attitude and yourself to be a better person that it won't matter. It pretty much sends the message of if you get punished for being toxic, no point in changing.

Riot already gave him 20+ chances. Why the hell should he get even one more?

Jo0oMay 17, 20173 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

EvilDustManMay 19, 20172 votes

When people shut up about it, then he'll probably get unbanned.

TrulyBlandMay 20, 20172 votes

This is actually a pretty good guess, imo. Riot has the problem that people are pressuring them too much. The pressure is absolutely miniscule and negligible, and yet, if Riot were to decide on their own that Tyler has indeed reformed, the groups exerting this pressure would feel like they "won" through pressure, rather than acknowledging that Tyler "won" through reforming.

Evil JesterMay 20, 20172 votes

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This is actually a pretty good guess, imo. Riot has the problem that people are pressuring them too much. The pressure is absolutely miniscule and negligible, and yet, if Riot were to decide on their own that Tyler has indeed reformed, the groups exerting this pressure would feel like they "won" through pressure, rather than acknowledging that Tyler "won" through reforming.

I agree, when the the fan boys give up and stop posting about unbanning him, and tyler still shows the new attitude despite all hope lost and for a good while. MAYBE I would agree with unbanning him, but the popularity with him can't show any sign of deterring that outcome.

themachampMay 19, 20172 votes

They didn't care about banning him till he became a popular streamer. They can never truly ban him (or anyone) he is just on the "permaban on sight status" If he gets unbanned, it just means that he will no longer have his accounts banned on sight.

warpenguin555May 20, 20172 votes

^ He's had like 19 trys to get it right, no more chances

Pandemic PunchMay 20, 20172 votes

It doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on. This is likely the dumbest thing to talk about on the internet right now. Someone broke the rules and now they are suffering the consequences. There is nothing more to the story. The rest is between him and Riot. Don't waste your breath on this meaningless topic.

Evil JesterMay 20, 20173 votes

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It doesn't matter what side of the argument you are on. This is likely the dumbest thing to talk about on the internet right now. Someone broke the rules and now they are suffering the consequences. There is nothing more to the story. The rest is between him and Riot. Don't waste your breath on this meaningless topic.

Your right. Besides the mods have been locking tyler1 related threads so I'm going to refrain from discussing this any further.

Pandemic PunchMay 20, 20171 votes

This is all you had to say to my somewhat harsh sounding post? Jesus, you are a better person than I am. You aren't living up to your name, "Evil".

Evil JesterMay 20, 20173 votes

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This is all you had to say to my somewhat harsh sounding post? Jesus, you are a better person than I am. You aren't living up to your name, "Evil".

Truth is truth, harsh or not.

HawckeyMay 21, 20171 votes

I love how the consensus among most pro players and even players known for their positiveness is that he is reformed and that he should at least be allowed to make a new account. But when you come to this board filled with anal players that report over everything you still constantly bitch about even the thought of un-banning him. HOW is he not reformed? And what is the point of changing for the better if you still have people like you who remain pissed off no matter what?

RefiesaNov 8, 20171 votes

[proudly since beta] If RIOT had the hardware signature ban this wouldn't even be the issue as the post might concern, keep the toxicity out.

create new emails, new accounts, refresh IP, VPN, buy acounts, 20 something accounts banned and still goes on, it's simply RIOT's failure for creating this loophole themselves, and then "only" indefinite bans the public streamer, and overlook those players who practices letting off their steams in-game and give up playing, just because they are not streaming.

Tyler1 ain't the problem, he is just the one of the many, he got taken care of because he was making RIOT look bad on public stream, countless players does this and may or may not get banned when people just doesn't report after game, so if you do x9 report and got one toxic account banned, they can always create a new one, for ranked players, plenty of cheap high tier accounts for sale out there, making toxicity boosting the infinite loophole[especially no more runes to grind now].

For I do agree with the post that toxic players waste our time just so they can send out a message that they couldn't take pressure and decide to do whatever they see fit, banned or not, there's a place for people just like that, a small room that takes your freedom of wasting people's effort called prison, if they dare practice their usual behavior in the real world.

Back to RIOT's part in this, hardware ban, how many new parts these players gonna buy/change until they feel it's not worth their time anymore? I would suggest try it and find out, because right now as it seems, RIOT is just promoting negative behaviors due to their lack of control.

So to the post, RIOT has been always, defeating the purpose of their own code and rules from their own loophole, especially with the world events and competition nature of this game, they want people to take e-sports seriously, but easily branded as promoting unethical behavior due to their ban system, toxic/software cheating/mmr boost cheating, you can do above those pema ban behavior, and be right back in game in no time.

So showing mercy or not, I don't think RIOT has any purpose or example shown from the beginning till now, it won't surprise me if said players will keep playing, and tyler1 gets unbanned.

Just.....enjoy the game as it goes, mute them if they get whiny, but don't get your hopes high when it comes to banning players, they can always create new accounts, and RIOT doesn't even care if those accounts are not streaming and making their public image bad.

If they care? well then we would already have hardware ban or something similar to "control" player behavior, and this post won't even be here.

TeslynNov 8, 20171 votes

The last couple of interactions between Tyler1 and Riot employees has been Riot employees being very rude and Tyler1 shrugging it off. If they dont unban him it shows that the Reforming mindset is BS.

Iil vayneNov 8, 20171 votes

Here's the thing, I feel like i can agree, and disagree with what you say OP. So let's agree to disagree on some things here. He's toxic by definition because he's a streamer, that's why he has the attitude he has. it's the way he's handled himself in prior games, and games that he played after league as well. it's his form of "character" when he streams. Off stream, He is not anything like that. And he's been showing promise in regards to his streams. He's still immature - but he's not nearly as bad as he used to be. Figure this. You're a popular streamer, you have a character to uphold. "Most toxic draven player NA" and then you get banned off of your favorite game. Sure, nobody forced him to be that way. but that IS his persona on twitch. He has videos of him playing on alts where he did NOT troll the game, he didn't say anything rude in the game, he didn't int, and he played WELL. He still got banned for it because people claimed it was Tyler playing (he is, and was perma banned from the game at this point.)

The thing is, Tylers personality in terms of his streams conflict with how he should be playing the game, which is why it's highly likely he will be unbanned at some point if he shows good promise to Riot. He's a REALLY good draven player, And beyond that, he's still upholding a high MMR on other champions. He's better at league than the vast majority of people claim he is, and he's a lot better than most people who have some form of an issue with him because "he's a toxic piece of shit." when they don't realize it's just his stream persona, he was toxic for entertainment. which is why his twitch chat is usually filled to the brim with trolls. He attracted that audience with the persona he used. And it worked out great for him. But it also bit him in the ass. (By causing him to get perma'd.)

Think about it. If you had the opportunity to become a very popular, well known player, and you were great at the game - but you had to be "toxic" to entertain. (that's his persona) you'd do it if you were growing REALLY hard, right? Because it's exciting. He didn't think it'd lead to this and neither did many of his fans. I am personally a fan of tyler and i can also say he made a big mistake letting it go on so far with so many warnings. But once again, people DO make mistakes and sometimes it takes a hell of a hard hit to get the point across.. Sure, it might be a 30th or 40th chance in his case. But he was NEVER perma banned from the game and unable to stream it. Anyone whos typically banned can make a new account and just play again. or in many cases- buy them (I don't condone this.) The fact, is that he didn't know it'd come to him having an indefinite ban. Which is why he continued doing what he did. Yes, it's wrong, But it also makes sense. He's popular BECAUSE of league. He's popular BECAUSE he was toxic. It worked well for him.

The point is that i'm sure tyler, if given a chance, will act responsibly when it comes to not being toxic, and not ruining games. Hopefully, by the end of reading this - you aren't tilted, and maybe have come to some sort of agreement in your mind that tylers twitch personality is the reason this whole thing blew up the way it did. And he's been acting a lot better. Truthfully, tyler is doing as much as he can to be unbanned. He's serious when he claims this is his favorite game. Put yourself in his shoes and try to see him eye to eye for a minute and determine wether or not you'd like a chance to show your FAVORITE game developers that you can, and will be better, just to have the chance to play the game at all. Thanks for taking the time to read this, god bless.

Ren AmariNov 8, 20171 votes

The purpose of punishment is to teach the person what they did wrong, and have them understand it. If you create an infinite punishment for a finite action, its actually illogical and inhumane. But not everyone is morally just in this world among humans. But Tyler1 has proven that he can be not toxic, and he has proven that he is able to play the game again and learned his lesson. If you cannot forgive, than you are nothing more than a sad person who has no faith. Let me ask you this question, If you shoot someone in the face, you deserve a life for a life yes? Correct. But knowing that there is an afterlife, does this person deserve to burn in "hell" for all eternity for a finite action? Even if the person shot me in the face, i would forgive them because i would not wish that kind of punishment on anyone. Learn, Forgive, Prosper~