Boards›Player Behavior

Want Toxicity to Go Away?

Ýisus··1 votes·702 views

Start grouping people together better. my K/D/A over the last 40 Games = 10.8 / 6.5 / 6.3 ... Yet my win ratio is under 50%.

Now I know people will say "K/D/A doesn't matter - blah blah blah" - Go look up the LoL pro's KDA's ... you will find they are positive.

DoubleLifts K/D/A = 6.1 / 4.3 / 6.9 (positive)

Not to mention ... it's extremely hard to win a game that you are behind 20 kills in.

I am in no way saying I am a LoL Pro.

What I am saying is - Leagues Matching system is horrible. When someone is trying hard to win - and they are making sure not to feed the enemy team ... How can you expect them not to get toxic when you have a laner that is 1/9 before 20 minutes?

Here are the 40 game average KDA's of a set of teammates LoL put me with. ( All champs are from the same game )

4.0 / 8.5 / 2.0 (negative) 6.8 / 7.4 / 8.2 (negative) 7.8 / 11.7 / 12.1 (negative) 7.5 / 8 / 9.8 (negative)

2.5 / 5.5 / 9.0 (negative) 3.7 / 7.7 / 5.4 (negative) 8.7 / 4.6 / 7.3 (positive) 5.3 / 9.7 / 15.1 (negative)

13 Comments

Spiffy McBang2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ganksta Yisus,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AyPUrlRY,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-27T19:37:25.187+0000)

How can you expect them not to get toxic when you have a laner that is 1/9 before 20 minutes?

By expecting them to act like human fking beings.

Let's get something clear: Some people--such as yourself, it seems--believe that players inherently accept that if they play badly, they're open to being harassed, cursed out, and subject to whatever other forms of toxicity. That's not how this works, and Riot's made that expectation clear.

This is how it works: If you join a game, you are not guaranteed four good teammates. You know this. Everyone knows this. Therefore, when you play this game, you are the one accepting the possibility that things may not go your way and there may not be anything you can do about it. That does not give you carte blanche to abuse the person costing you a chance at victory.

If it bothers you, listen to music or watch a Youtube video (if you have a second monitor) while you go through the motions. If it bothers you so much no distraction is sufficient, go outside. Talk to girls. Do anything else, because playing this game with that attitude is not doing your mental health any favors.

Ýisus1 votes

Isn't that what they are doing ... acting like human beings? Name 1 event in life where you can be totally terrible at it ... and you are accepted?

Work - Nope Fired. School - Nope expelled. Sports - Nope kicked off the team. Marriage - Nope Divorced.

Everything in life is judged on how well you do. And if you don't do well, you are removed from that environment with negative feelings attached.

And going AFK to watch youtube video's gets you in just as much trouble as flaming ( usually more than flaming does ) - believe me .... if people could just leave games ( like almost all other games out there ) toxicity wouldnt be a problem. League has by far more toxicity than I have ever seen on any console gaming system. (strictly because you cant leave a 40 minute league game and re-queue like you can on console )

Spiffy McBang3 votes

I didn't say go afk to watch videos. I specifically said if you have a second monitor, and to watch while you go through the motions, which means not being afk.

More to the point: no one gets fired, expelled, kicked off a team, or divorced for having one crap day. What you're seeing from any given player is them having not even one crap day, but one crap game. You have no idea if that's normal for them. You have no idea if they're playing out of position, trying a new strat, a new champ, if they're rusty, or just don't play very much and they're trying to improve. You will never see that person in-game enough to be able to gauge whether or not they'll be good enough at LoL for your tastes, and that's ignoring the fact your expectations are irrelevant to whether or not someone should be able to have fun playing a game.

So, again, players are expected not to get toxic at someone having a 1/9 scrub game because players are expected to afford basic human respect to the rest of the people in the game. If you disagree with that... you might want to look into therapy.

Ýisus1 votes

You didnt read my comment .... THOSE KDA's ARE 40 GAME AVERAGES. We are not talking about 1 bad game. We are looking at an average over 40 games. This is their STANDARD game play.

And I believe they should give the same respect to their teammates time by not feeding their ass off. This game is not hard... Hugging a turret early game and farming CS is not difficult to do. Anything less than playing smart is disrespecting your teammates time.

This game is not about fun - it is about winning. Because Losing is not fun. So obviously in order to have fun you must win.

Weirzbowski1 votes

Same results for being shouting profanities and being belligerent at people

Work - Nope Fired. School - Nope expelled. Sports - Nope kicked off the team. Marriage - Nope Divorced.

vampirekid132 votes

its almost like the KDA isnt a meaningful statistic in a team game focused on objective taking.

Ýisus1 votes

If that is the case, why do the mass majority of Challenger / Master level players keep a positive KDA over multiple game averages. KDA is very important in this game. Because If you are dying - you are giving the enemy team more gold / more items / more mastery boosts....

This is why you rarely win games that you are down 10 - 20 kills at the time the game ends.

"snowballing"

vampirekid132 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ganksta Yisus,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AyPUrlRY,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-27T20:57:23.182+0000)

If that is the case, why do the mass majority of Challenger / Master level players keep a positive KDA over multiple game averages. KDA is very important in this game. Because If you are dying - you are giving the enemy team more gold / more items / more mastery boosts....

This is why you rarely win games that you are down 10 - 20 kills at the time the game ends.

"snowballing"

good kda is a side-effect not the reasoning. they arent challengers because they have good kda. they have good kda because they are challengers.

but there are challengers with bad kda. like the proxy singed guy, or suicide karthus guy, those examples are from over a year ago, but im sure there are others today with bad kda and challengers.

thats not the point though, if you get fixated on having good kda you miss the point of the game, which is whats causing you to lose.

Ýisus1 votes

I totally understand what you are saying - and 100% agree with it - we are actually on the same page. And I believe you will agree .... none of the things you listed can be done from a death screen. Likewise - if a jungler dies trying to steal infernal drake ... even if he doesnt succeed - you wont hear shit from me .... because you were doing something that could progress our team. But I believe you will agree (and this is who I am referring to with bad teammates) - being lvl 5 with a KDA of 1/4/0 is not acceptable. In any circumstance ... even learning a new champ ... stick within your towers arc and learn.

This kind of play causes toxicity. Because your top lane might be making moves, focusing hard - and really trying hard to progress your team. he is 2/1/0 at lvl 5. Farming CS ... but now he has some douche enemy mid laner coming up that is 4/1/0 - and now all his hardwork is to shit because of stupdity 1 lane below.

Randomonium2 votes

This is something that I struggled with for a long, long time so please listen carefully to this:

If you do the right things to win the game you will have a high KDA. However, having a high KDA does not mean you are doing the right things to win the game.

Doublelift has a high KDA because he is doing the right things to win the game. You have a high KDA because you place a high importance on having a high KDA.

This is what matters:

  1. Get a CS and EXP advantage (most important in the early and mid game)
  2. Prioritizing towers over kills (most important in mid/late game)
  3. Don't die unnecessarily (always important but becomes more important the longer the game goes on)

Many people who struggle to climb place too much of an importance on getting kills and/or not dying. That's only one leg of the chair. If you aren't prioritizing CS/EXP early game and objectives mid game then you're missing the bigger picture.

Flaherty1 votes

The only real way to get rid of toxicity is for people to stop being so arrogant and angry. Even when you're team is winning there is sometimes one kid who will shit all over the weakest link in your team. Everyone thinks they're better than everyone else and are never the reason their team loses an advantage in game or is the main reason they lose. The only way it would work is if matchmaking guaranteed you teammates that would win you the game but that obviously can't happen for everyone because one team has to lose.

Azrael0051 votes

Not gonna happen. Behavior moderation board is riots way of pacifying players. 99% of posts here are basically worthless.

More from Player Behavior

The indefinite banning of Tyler1
Player Behavior4,799 comments
2,942
votes
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?
Player Behavior1,525 comments
1,086
votes
Riot should add monthly status cards
Player Behavior241 comments
843
votes
Reminder that we haven't gotten our Summoner report cards yet :/
Player Behavior145 comments
619
votes
I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
Player Behavior361 comments
548
votes
Black Alistar, King Rammus!!!!
Player Behavior462 comments
503
votes

More by Ýisus

Tier 3 Runes 1 IP
Gameplay50 comments
86
votes
Armor? MR ? Whats the point?
Gameplay34 comments
25
votes
Pushed 3 Accounts into Gold This Season - Here is what I have learned.
Gameplay61 comments
24
votes
S7 and Feeding
Gameplay8 comments
8
votes
Stop Reworking Champions - Just Make New....
Gameplay16 comments
8
votes
ZOE and Hard CC
Gameplay5 comments
6
votes