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Why do perma-banned people act like they deserved a warning or a second chance?

Colgate Gator··71 votes·5,696 views

With the recent waves of bans I've seen this behavior a lot, and it sort of baffles me. People seem to have the skewed opinion that they shouldn't be perma'd from the game or they should have been warned beforehand (sometimes through stupid arguments like "i spent 50000 dollars dis game!" and such).

Here is a heads-up: Even only having a single chat restriction means you're already on the red, and thus it's already a warning.

Riot is already letting you know that you're having your initial rights restricted because your behavior isn't falling into the allowed margin and you're becoming a liability to the community. Most of the cases the restriction/bans scale in gravity due to repeated offenses (I believe isntant perma's are extremely rare), hell, even the pop-up message that reads you have been reported quite a number of times is a warning already.

As for the second-chance point of view, a Perma is basically Riot letting you know that your shit won't be tolerated any longer and you aren't allowed in the building anymore. Speaking of buildings, it'd be the equivalent of an eviction letter because the neighbours have filed several complains about you to the landlord (and even in this scenario, we're assuming LoL would be a subscription based game).

So yeah, considering that in order to be allowed to freely play this game without the fear of being banned all you need to do is behave respectfully toward your peers, step it up and enjoy your stay, hell, you don't even need to be respectful, just not a total asshat. If you can't fullfill this basic requirement, then please clear your room by the end of the month and don't let the door hit you in the way out.

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Solaxo37 votes

"Report me, I don't care :DD" gets banned, proceeds to cry on forums

Señor Karthus5 votes

Lmao this is exactly what I reply to that. "Don't come later crying on the forums"

Death by Glamour7 votes

Well do you read the chat logs they link, half the times it isnt even that bad. If they ban people for critism i hate to see what the do with those that tell people to go dir irl or the feeders or the afkers

Jamaree30 votes

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Well do you read the chat logs they link, half the times it isnt even that bad. If they ban people for critism i hate to see what the do with those that tell people to go dir irl or the feeders or the afkers

Bullshit it isn't, the people who get permabanned like 99 percent of the time, they go on flaming rant within the first three lines, like seriously?

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Na, that was previously where permas were for really bad behavior. Now a permaban requires the same level of "flame" that a 10 day chat ban does. I've seen some pretty club penguin type permabans recently. Anyway, their game so their call. Just hope they know they won't actually fix the issue with the same path they have been trying that hasn't worked. Gotta actually address the problems.

Jamaree4 votes

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Na, that was previously where permas were for really bad behavior. Now a permaban requires the same level of "flame" that a 10 day chat ban does. I've seen some pretty club penguin type permabans recently. Anyway, their game so their call. Just hope they know they won't actually fix the issue with the same path they have been trying that hasn't worked. Gotta actually address the problems.

Except that isn't true at all.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

Except it actually is. You're negative, you get a 10 game chat restriction. You are negative after that, you get 25 game chat restriction. You are negative after that, you get a 14 day ban. You are negative after that, you get a permaban.

It doesn't make a difference how toxic you are. If you are negative after your 14 day ban you will get permabanned.

Jamaree4 votes

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Except it actually is. You're negative, you get a 10 game chat restriction. You are negative after that, you get 25 game chat restriction. You are negative after that, you get a 14 day ban. You are negative after that, you get a permaban.

It doesn't make a difference how toxic you are. If you are negative after your 14 day ban you will get permabanned.

Except no it isn't, and if you look around enough, you will see people who instead get multiple 14 day bans instead of straight permaban, but honestly, if you refuse to change your ways after the 14 day ban, you deserve to get permabanned anyway.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

You clearly can't comprehend this, so I'm done trying to explain it to you.

Jamaree4 votes

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You clearly can't comprehend this, so I'm done trying to explain it to you.

And you can't comprehend that you are wrong, so fair enough.

KingWanahakalugi5 votes

They show the community partial logs or edited logs as an attempt to get the community on their side. Rarely are bans undeserved or unwarranted.

Transgressor1 votes

They don't show "the community". They show it on the Boards and then people choose to either share their opinions or proceed with shaming. There's no such thing as a community, they just throw a match in a haystack and either burn alive along with everything around them or someone comes to put the fire out and explain to them why it's not good to throw light matches into flammable material. The closest thing to a communal decision was the old tribunal, which got replaced with this automated crap.

This is just a shame parade for stuck up people's entertainment.

alasarcher7 votes

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Well do you read the chat logs they link, half the times it isnt even that bad. If they ban people for critism i hate to see what the do with those that tell people to go dir irl or the feeders or the afkers

What you dont understand, they post logs only from last games that triggered ban. You dont see anything bad in them, because its probably minor thing that should get chat restriction. But it built up. I dont know if you are familiar with football, small dives and tackles and fouls dont grant u immediate yellow card, but if u do alot of them, referee first warn you, then if a player does something minor like pull opponents shirt, he gets yellow card. Yes it wouldnt grant yellow card if it was first offense, but many minor offenses make one major. That equivalent to 14 days ban(yellow card). Player then knows, any fuck up can lead to second yellow card and red card(which is equivalent to perma ban). If those perma banned players would post chat logs from every chat restriction and their 14 days ban all in one thread, you would see then how much they messed up and that their ban is completely deserved. People dont get perma banned for those chatlogs that they post. They get perma banned for all the shit they have done throughout time, that final chat log was just last straw.

Speakeasy4 votes

Pulling an opponent's shirt is always a bookable offense. =D Just so you know!

Edit: But the general point you're making is correct!

rtbf2061059051 votes

I agree, though i can't understand why can't there be warnings and they did say that 1st offense always results in a chat restrict and builds up to more severe ones eventually leading to a permanent ban.

Just wondering, where that system went.

DeynaTaggerung1 votes

Not for permabans. Smaller bans are sometimes edgy, but then they're not that big and are likely because of consistenty edgy behavior

DREADN0UGHT5 votes

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Well do you read the chat logs they link, half the times it isnt even that bad. If they ban people for critism i hate to see what the do with those that tell people to go dir irl or the feeders or the afkers

There is a large diff between "criticism" and "being a condescendent asshole"

Cabbagery4 votes

How can you tell over a text message weather or not they were saying it jokingly, angry, sad.

Why do you have a resentment towards mistakes? People aren't perfect and while yes perma bans should happen but there should be solid circumstances behind it not just because they sent you a warning.

And yes money and time are very important if not the most important things in society so I can understand why those emotional players would get emotional after they lost their account not to mention not everyone has everything super great like some people.

Some are going through breakups, parents are divorced, lost a love one or a pet. Then they get perma banned for getting a little worked up like humans do and im sure everyone is guilty of in and out of the rift. The real question is why can't people get a second chance, look at Hillary Clinton, shes a criminal running for president and those banned cant get an appeal? or a chance, you never know they may turn a new leaf. Why deny them the opportunity?

They might also have a poor family and with that the mom/dad grandparent etc, might have bought them rp to get skins, and now thats gone as well. There might be sentimental value. You never really know, its all situationally circumstantial

May I ask why you so strongly believe they deserve the worst punishment that riot can give you, just kicked to the curb and get their enjoyment shutdown.

I like to think the real issue is the system.

DREADN0UGHT6 votes

I don't have anything about people having rough days and spitting a little bit of poison in chat. I'll just report it. I've been toxic before. Will be in the future. Will get reported. The thing is that in order to get perma banned you need to be a jackass on a fairly constant and zealous basis. So yes, if you are indeed toxic to a point that reports pile up to that level, you deserve it.

Transgressor1 votes

What you and I consider "criticism" and "condescending assholes" is completely different to someone else. Basically this whole matter is wholeheartedly subjective, based on the simple fact that every single individual has a different upbringing, different emotional intelligence and maturity levels.

Personally, the only instances when a ban should not even be given the chance of a second thought is when racism and bigotry are involved(that does not count tumblr and professional victims), and when players judge and bicker at your every god damn move without actually being helpfull in any way.

The rest can all be taken with a grain of salt; being called a fucking feeding asshole does not compare to being called a cotton picking N-word, does it?

Verxint5 votes

Just for clarity's sake, the warning pop-up isn't actually anything meaningful. It happens simply if you get reported by multiple people, before the system assesses those reports.

AzureInTheDark5 votes

I don't really mind people doing it. It's nice to see Rioters dunking them after their apparent 10-minute long excuses.

ILikeEatPie4 votes

lol, some ppl don't learn their lessons, I got a one day ban once, two years ago, for leaving like, two games when my acct was like, lvl five, and haven't even been chat restricted since then, some ppl just don't seem to know that it CAN happen to them. I've legit seen a guy get mad in game, and say he doesn't give a fuck about being reported, and then the next day I saw the same username in the forums bitching about being permabanned, using how much money he'd spent on skins and shit as an excuse.

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

There's this sense of entitlement with people. They don't ever consider themselves bad enough to be banned, and so they never actually consider that it might happen to them. Then, when it does, they feel like they deserve a second chance, because now they know it can happen to them! That changes everything!

But seriously, people need to wake up. Bans happen. If you're an asshole, it'll happen to you. So don't.

Sythriel Draken3 votes

People can get around chat restrictions easily tho. 7 minute dominion bot games and your chat restriction is gone. No one learns anything from it. People get a 14 day ban, and they just hop on another account and play it while still being toxic as hell. You can also just spam after the game and be very toxic and riot will take longer to look at that post game chat to determine punishment or not.

Riots system is also improperly flagging people for warnings and bans. It doesn't matter that you did nothing wrong, but if you have 3 bad games in a row, the system will count you as an intentional feeder and ban you anyway. You could say nothing in pre game, in game, and post game chats and still get a pop up for offensive language. I realize that nothing will happen in these false claims, but it affects a players psyche. "If I'm going to get a warning anyway, why not do something that deserves it" .

I would honestly love for someone to sit down with riot's punishment system and actually find out the numbers of legitimate warnings, bans, chat restrictions, vs the number of false ones.

Cabbagery3 votes

This^

Sarutobi2 votes

The thing is they do get warning. People get chat restriction, bans, and warnings after their games. They usually ignore all those types of warning and get surprised when its finally a Permaban. its like they think its a joke. But really the childish way they think is just annoying. like when people get really toxic and use Curse/hateful/racist/homophobic/etc words in their chat, and they think that shouldnt be consider toxic. Or that when someone starts to flame, and they flame back, and uses the excuse that the other person started it so they shouldnt get ban. Again its something a child would say and in the real world people wouldnt use that as an excuse because you should know better by now.

All in all this is why its really hard to actually believe people are innocent with them being Ban. especially when they show their chatlog (which doesnt show every game they are toxic in) its apparent as to why their ban was justified. People just need to stop lying and face the facts. If you are toxic, or break any of the rules/ToS/Summoners Code you will get ban. Sooner or later!

Colgate Gator3 votes

Sometimes it baffles me how they can show their chat logs with a straight face, specially when you don't even read further than 5 lines in before the toxicity begins.

But yeah, people don't understand that it isn't up to them to define what's toxic, but only to adapt to it.

Transgressor2 votes

Why do you feel the need to post an essay bitching about people bitching about getting perma-banned?

Can you just let them be and have fun with the game? What's the point of this whole thing, garner upvotes from people by shaming flamers? Isn't that kinda redundant?

Bottom line, you went out of your way to post such a eluquated post to essentially grief as much as the griefers themselves, for no real reason other than prove to yourself how superior you are compared to them. What a waste of time.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Well I'm sorry this isn't one of your everyday "Thresh Relic Bug" or "Riven needs nerfs" thread.

Transgressor3 votes

Undeniably, this thread and all the posts in it are rather toxic, most of you are propably voting for Trump by the looks of it.

Thank good you're in the NA region.

Hello I am Bird6 votes

Oh boy. Aren't you nice.

Starting up a nationality war just to get people riled up. Diving into our politics despite not knowing much about it.

And even if you do know about it, why in the world are you digging so deep into our political systems simply to insult us?

Kind of a dick move don't you think?

Transgressor3 votes

I'm allergic to stuck up people who think they are above everyone else and have every right to shame those who think are inferior, not my fault they coincidentaly happen to have pretty bad mentalities when it comes to politics. And since Trump is a USA exclusive attraction, that's what's apropriate to use. Would he be EU, i'd use a European polititian to make a proper comparison.

Nationality war only if you want it to be. From my point of view, it's just a nice little case of hitting the nail in the coffin of my juxtaposition.

"Us"? Do you personally identify as the person I replied to? <Well I'm sorry this isn't one of your everyday "Thresh Relic Bug" or "Riven needs nerfs" thread.> does not seem like something you'd write, so why are you getting frustrated about it? It wasn't a generalization in any way imaginable, unless you share the same mentality with him and the OP that is, then you have every right to be upset. But I read your post above and you don't.

Lastly, I find it hilariously interesting how this certain tidbit and me calling out OP on his toxic bullshit, triggered more people in itself. But that's just more of a personal observation than anything else really.

Bekkal2 votes

{quoted}

Oh boy. Aren't you nice.

Starting up a nationality war just to get people riled up. Diving into our politics despite not knowing much about it.

And even if you do know about it, why in the world are you digging so deep into our political systems simply to insult us?

Kind of a dick move don't you think?

Anyone who thinks trump should be president deserve permabans on general principle.

K541 votes

gp is actually good principle, just saying

Cabbagery2 votes

I like to think the people that sit on their high horses and act like they've never done something wrong in their entire lives, never have they flamed, out side of the rift never have they been mean they're just a new Jesus walking the earth shaming the people who have a strong competitive sense and an unfortunate vocabulary.

The same type of people who think they're so great will find themselves asking for a second chance one way or another.

On or off the rift

Transgressor2 votes

At least someone here is not stupidly immature.

Thank you kind internet stranger, for having some actual intellect and emotional intelligence, keep it real.

Golden Moonsoar2 votes

I think you've become what you're complaining about, yourself.

Transgressor1 votes

Interesting point, but I'd like to think that 5 sentences do not compare to a 5 parahraph essay.

You need to try harder.

Mech0p1 votes

All he did was get straight to the point unlike you who threw in information that wasn't needed and used a dictionary to make yourself seem smart that way you could prove you were the superior person in this arguement

Transgressor1 votes

K bruv, remembah you're much much bettah and superior than everyone else, and it's ok to shame and flame on the idiots who get banned and try to make-up excuses, because that's trully what good people do; shame on other's moronic stupidity.

Yeh broseph, you and everyone else are sooo good human beings it makes it okey to flame on others supposedly inferior to you, 'tis but your birth right.

And if ya babe thought dis is a solid argument "and used a dictionary to make yourself seem smart" for anyone bellow 16, you might've been right. Not all of us need a thessaurus to showcase our intelect mah mang, better get used to it.

If stupidity was an incurable desease, 98% of the planet's population would've been dead already. (✿◕‿◕✿)

Auroramancer2 votes

TL;DR - There needs to be a better warning system beyond the report warning windows because they can be triggered by false reports. At the very least, chat restrictions need to be the "warning punishment" before chat-related bans are imposed.

I was 2-week banned about 2 years ago.

I had not been punished in any way prior to that 2-week ban. No chat restrictions, nothing. Just banned out of the blue.

Took me 3 weeks to get my chat logs to see what I did wrong because Riot's Player Support refused to give me anything besides the generic copy-paste responses that bots give.

When I got my chat logs, I did realize I was toxic. However, the kicker is that my behavior wasn't insulting people ("lol noob" "fuck off %%%got"), I wasn't issuing death threats, I wasn't exhibiting racism or homophobia. I was retaliating against players who were toxic to me first, and I wouldn't shut up or let them have the last word.

Honestly, I should have gotten a chat restriction as a warning, like "chill out dude. here's what you're doing, now cut it out, show us you can change". And my 2-week ban could have been avoided.

Now, you could say "the report warnings you get should be warning enough", but the problem with that is, you get those report warnings EVEN IF they are false reports. Sure, Riot says the system filters/disregards those false reports (and I trust that), but you still get the warning.

So when I say "ggez" for a game that I LOST and I get the report warning for "Offensive Language", I'm automatically gonna assume it was a false report and move on. Or by the pattern of my punished toxic behavior, when a viciously toxic player lashed out at me in-game, and I responded to them, when I get a report warning for "Verbal Harassment", I automatically think it was the instigator who is trying to get back at me with a bogus report. 'Course, the other players on my team probably reported me too for ruining the game in chat, but that doesn't cross my mind when someone who is toxic in the first place lashes out at me.

In any case, I think there are ways to improve the Player Behavior system. -Chat restrictions SHOULD ALWAYS precursor 2-week or permanent bans (if those punishments are chat-related).

-The reported player should be able to look at the reports sent in against them, exactly as the players who submitted the reports filled them out. And be able to read them IMMEDIATELY in order to actually understand what was wrong, to eliminate the idea of it being a false report.

-Maybe the reported player should know WHO reported them from that game, so that when the player was disputing with another toxic player, they could know if it was the other toxic player who "retribution-reported" or if it was a report from someone else on the team. And it's not like the reported player can harass the others after end-game lobby. Deny friend requests that the reported player sends, or just leave the request hanging so that you are not spammed with them.

Just my two-cents.

rampaging poet1 votes

I agree that chat restrictions should almost always precede chat-related bans (maybe with a few exceptions for repeated, vigorous death threats and the like), but there's a reason they keep reports anonymous. They don't want people who really are toxic knowing exactly who reported them and harassing the reporters in retaliation.

Auroramancer1 votes

There have been a lot of occasions where I've reported somebody and they've tried to harass me out of game.

Thing is, they have to send a friend request, and you have to accept it, in order for them to be able to talk to you. You can either decline, or as I did, just let the invite request sit in your notifications so that you won't get spammed with friend requests. That's all they can do to you, and you have full control over whether it happens or not.

Zhire2 votes

I've gotten popups saying that I got reported because some "random a*s salty f"ckers" decided to report me even though I did nothing at all. Does that mean my warning is gone???

K541 votes

I personally just think you're all emotional bitches. I don't think cry babies should get to play competitive games. From preseason track meets, basketball and football games it was constant trash talk and criticism the whole seasons. Constant trash talk in the military and college on the basketball teams, even just working on the F18s in the NAVY, we're competitive about who does the best job. From Mortal Kombat X, Injustice, Ultra Street Fighter 4, NBA 2K16, Madden 15 tournaments are full of trash talkers.

And if you sissies had it your way, every athlete and true gamer on this planet would be banned from your sport.

I'm so competitive, it doesn't matter what I'm doing, I'm going to trash talk. Even if we're doing recreational hat knitting, I'm going to let you know that my hat is the best hat and your hat sucks. If you cry, then you're not worthy of being in the same room as me from the start. You talk trash back to me and we'll probably end up being best friends for life because we're all really nice people.

Sit in the LoL World's crowd and hear the shit that comes out of people's mouths as they spectate pro players. Guess we should ban the whole audience.

You're the type of people who want a trophy just for trying and tell your mommies and daddies when somebody says you don't deserve it. All of my silver and bronze medals are in the trash. They're worthless to me, if it's not the gold, you can keep it.

SWALLOW YOUR EMOTIONS AND FIND YOUR COMPETITIVE SPIRIT!

Golden Moonsoar6 votes

You don't need to trash talk to be competitive. You don't know any of the people on the other side of the screen, you have no idea how they'd react to your trash talking. If you need to trash talk to reassure yourself how good you are, you might have a self-esteem problem.

It's not hard to simply respect others instead of being an automatic jerk from the get-go, and it is spelled out for you that that's how it works in this game. If you have a problem with it, you can just leave. Keep your negative attitude to yourself, and everyone can get along. Unless you don't like that.

K541 votes

The 1st time Lulu flashed away, I said, "Wow, you pussy! lol" and the summoner's response was, "Coming from the bitch that drops a decoy every 10 seconds! lol"

Funnest game I've played ever because I wasn't playing against a stuck up bitch.

4th3t0s4 votes

{quoted}

The 1st time Lulu flashed away, I said, "Wow, you pussy! lol" and the summoner's response was, "Coming from the bitch that drops a decoy every 10 seconds! lol"

Funnest game I've played ever because I wasn't playing against a stuck up bitch.

Here's the thing, this isn't at your friends house or your backyard, Riot has their own set of rules and whatnot concerning in-game chat. Break them, deal with the consequences; disagree, leave the game then.

Keep that machismo trash-talking shit outta here. It's a game, not Iwo Jima.

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