Apparently mild-toxic triggerwords make even positive chats punishable

Eternal Torment··2 votes·1,380 views

As I write this, I am helping a fellow player I met to write a proper support ticket to Riot support team because apparently, she got chat-restricted, and with that her honor dropped to 1 (which is about the only reason she is even mentionable mad about), because she mentioned certain keywords in a completely non-negative chat for, and I'm speaking from assumptions, the raw amount of those words being mentioned. which was a handful of times. Maybe that was it, IDK, which is why I write this, to ask you guys.

The short story is, she and her team didn't really get along, one person decides to troll the game so they get mid, the rest freaks out, first they flame the troller, but after continuous kill stealing and leaving my friend to die, the team decided to keep insulting her instead, and she got caught with a punishment because she repeatedly told them their behavior is punishable (not threats like "Enjoy ban" etc, literally said they are punishable, not they will be punished) and that kDa does not justify trolling because the troll kept beating her down with spamming scores and null-boxing her down with heavy shaming. Yes, before she proceeded to just ignore the chat and play as good as she could, which was a breakdown-worthy minimum due to her being in a literal 1v9 situation, she did repeat herself about 3 times, so she wrote not too little, but it wasn't too much either, at least from where I sit.

I write this because I want an opinion from others about this. Since I know from both experience and careful studying that the IFS system mostly works with the recognition of key-WORDS and not key-sentences, but still share a shred of doubt for my friend's case because I have for a very long time defended the punishment system and want to spare myself the shame of having to discover it does possess an abusable flaw, which would mean for a very long time I made people passively feel like shit with my reviews on their behaviour for much less than I believed in.

What does everyone else think about this? And please...spare my post with preaches of Riot's system being either holy or satanic, it isn't shit but Riot has lately earned the right to be questioned for a lot of their stuff. So I want neutral ground about that. I solely want people's view on this case.

Edit: I will try to convince her to post her chatlogs either here as a comment, or on a separate post. Also, I have mentioned everything there is to it, there weren't heavy trigger words from not even the most toxic one from that game, and so far this seems to be the entire case. There is no hidden other factor, I'd appreciate it if people actually read through and give their opinion on the case, and not try to correct something that isn't even there. I did say, spare my post the preach for the punishment's system.

11 Comments

Kei1434 votes

Hmmm... you aware that the system punishes based on consistency x severity?

Sounds like that your friend ngaged in Passive-aggressiveness which is a punishable offense and certainly not just for 1 game.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

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Hmmm... you aware that the system punishes based on consistency x severity?

Sounds like that your friend ngaged in Passive-aggressiveness which is a punishable offense and certainly not just for 1 game.

It is based on key words being repeatedly used. Like saying the word "report" several times in a match can get you a chat restriction if someone reports you. There are other words like it that do the same thing. Then of course the "severe" words will get you the coveted 14-day ban.

Eternal Torment1 votes

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Hmmm... you aware that the system punishes based on consistency x severity?

Sounds like that your friend ngaged in Passive-aggressiveness which is a punishable offense and certainly not just for 1 game.

I thought so too. but then A, it was the first game where she didn't /mutefull all and B, Being anyhow aggressive would have meant she engaged in the discussion. I mean she did try to tell them not to behave like that, without force, threat, demand or any kind of sabotaging the game with trolling back, but other than that, she has quite literally not said anything. Which is why I am having second thoughts about the punishment.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

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I thought so too. but then A, it was the first game where she didn't /mutefull all and B, Being anyhow aggressive would have meant she engaged in the discussion. I mean she did try to tell them not to behave like that, without force, threat, demand or any kind of sabotaging the game with trolling back, but other than that, she has quite literally not said anything. Which is why I am having second thoughts about the punishment.

Why? Troll Mute Muted Report Reported

Were any of these words or words like them used repeatedly? I can't confirm any of them except maybe the word "report". Whenever I see chat logs that aren't offensive, the word "report" or "reported" is always used about 2-5 times.

Eternal Torment1 votes

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Why? Troll Mute Muted Report Reported

Were any of these words or words like them used repeatedly? I can't confirm any of them except maybe the word "report". Whenever I see chat logs that aren't offensive, the word "report" or "reported" is always used about 2-5 times.

I will try to talk her into posting the chatlogs. but from what I have been informed of so far, she said those sentenced (hopefully im not misquoting them)

"KDA doesn't justify any trolling. You still instantlocked mid, stole all the farm, keep leaving me to die so I have a bad score, then shame me for your own doing." then she repeaded the first sentence

and the other thing was, i believe

"You can lie about me suppostedly inting all you want, your attitude could be punished. I'm not telling you to stop, but you should." and again, first sentence in repeatance

after that she told the team "i'll just play the game however i still can, you can keep talking" and went for /mutefull all afterwards.

Again, i will get the chatlogs, if i can ofc, but for now this is what i have to deliver in order to request insight from outside sources.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

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I will try to talk her into posting the chatlogs. but from what I have been informed of so far, she said those sentenced (hopefully im not misquoting them)

"KDA doesn't justify any trolling. You still instantlocked mid, stole all the farm, keep leaving me to die so I have a bad score, then shame me for your own doing." then she repeaded the first sentence

and the other thing was, i believe

"You can lie about me suppostedly inting all you want, your attitude could be punished. I'm not telling you to stop, but you should." and again, first sentence in repeatance

after that she told the team "i'll just play the game however i still can, you can keep talking" and went for /mutefull all afterwards.

Again, i will get the chatlogs, if i can ofc, but for now this is what i have to deliver in order to request insight from outside sources.

 Yeah, there might be enough there just from what you gave me to trigger the automated system if she got reported. "Inting" "trolling" and "mute" are all potential trigger words. Also, the AMOUNT that is typed COULD play a role in triggering the automated system as well. I am not saying I agree with the automated system.... I can't stand it personally. I just figured I would add my two cents, since Riot isn't allowed to tell you what triggers the automated system. I have learned a good bit about trigger words though through discords and personal experience. One discord in particular has stacked up a significant sample size. Though, I would probably get banned from the boards again if I link it here :)
Kei1431 votes

If passive-aggressiveness was in that game, then it typically won't lead to a punishment in 1 game.

So I'll be wondering what her behavioral history is like.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

You know how this works, we'd have to see her chat log if you wanted us to judge one way or the other.

Based on your story I'm inclined to come down on your friend's side, but without evidence to back that story up I'd have no way of knowing if you're just tricking us or not.

Have your friend log on and post their own chat logs here, I can't speak for others but I am usually nice as long as the person posting doesn't go around insulting others and making unreasonable demands.

AeroWaffle1 votes

Are there certain keywords that I'm fine with being scanned and banned for those alone (baring the rare case where it's just quoted)? Sure.

"kys", racial slurs, insults, and so forth

I'm perfectly fine with them just scanning for those because context isn't necessary 99% of the time for those. Certain words and phrases don't need additional context because they show negative behavior no matter the context.

Eternal Torment1 votes

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Are there certain keywords that I'm fine with being scanned and banned for those alone (baring the rare case where it's just quoted)? Sure.

"kys", racial slurs, insults, and so forth

I'm perfectly fine with them just scanning for those because context isn't necessary 99% of the time for those. Certain words and phrases don't need additional context because they show negative behavior no matter the context.

And as mentioned, none were spoken from not even the most toxic one in the 10 player game. If it had been, this would make more sense, but that wasn't the case. I've quite literally described that.

AeroWaffle1 votes

I can't really comment on your specific case because you are relaying the information secondhand. I don't know what your friend said.

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