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MENTOR QUEUE

Makior72··24 votes·1,405 views

Something like what i am about to suggest has been suggested before but here is my tweaked version of it.

Why not have a mentor program for new players?

Players could choose to queue for regular / exsisting blind pick OR mentor mode blind pick.

In mentor mode blind pick at least one person on each team is lvl 30 and goldv or higher in ranked. This mentor must also have ZERO disiplinary actions on their account for the season.

All non mentor players will also need ONE or less disiplinary actions taken against their account to use this mode.

All non mentors will play the game like normal, and the expectation will be that the mentor in game can give advice and be asked questions about league and will respond in a non toxic way at all times.

The mentor will have all rune pages disabled and mastery points will be set to the average level of all game participants. (for the sake of being as fair as possible)

After completing a season as a mentor, the mentor should receive one skin of their choice (or maybe a custom skin made just for people in the mentor program?) thus they will have an incentive to mentor.

Plus sides: games will be considerably less toxic.

New players can learn from experienced players in a non toxic environment.

Mentors get a free skin for helping teach new players and make their low level experience better.

Cons: low level players would be playing against at least 1 gold player. However smurfs already ruin low level queues so this is a minimal problem imo.

29 Comments

KingWanahakalugi8 votes

To be perfectly honest this would be fine too if the mentor wasn't allowed to play, but could type and coach from chat and ping. Even though I would not qualify at the moment (planning on actually playing ranked and trying for gold this season), there are a lot of times that I don't necessarily feel like playing a game, but the spectator mode is just too passive. This would be a decent option to coach up some of the newer players.

Makior722 votes

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To be perfectly honest this would be fine too if the mentor wasn't allowed to play, but could type and coach from chat and ping. Even though I would not qualify at the moment (planning on actually playing ranked and trying for gold this season), there are a lot of times that I don't necessarily feel like playing a game, but the spectator mode is just too passive. This would be a decent option to coach up some of the newer players.

This is true. I would be fine with a mode like this but favor my posted idea as the mentor can lead by example and demonstrate certain mechanics in game.

Your proposal however eliminates some of the playing against higher level opponents though, which is a good thing. Smurfs of course would still show up in both versions of the idea.

KingWanahakalugi1 votes

Smurfs would show, but with your system of weeding out the bad smurfs who harass the new players I don't think it would be an issue. I'm also assuming that this queue would be available at all levels and ranks. Also, the mentor should have the option of either playing with his team or coaching from the sideline. Matchups would be based on whether or not the coach joined and they would be expected to play in the same lane against each other which will be quite clear once the new champ select is finished.

Catastrop1 votes

Considering how far Riot's come. I think they bring in the 6th person spectate mode again but make it completely passive. Like, they're just there in the base fountain but nothing can interact with them nor can they interact with anything else besides chat or pings. That way, you won't have instances where they can affect the game in anyway, they're just observing what's going on and giving advice in chat.

Earthlord Jazz3 votes

I saw your earlier post and was just about to make its own thread if you didn't. Well thought out, this idea has a lot of potential I really hope Riot looks at it. Nice job! I like both options (for the mentor to either play or spectate from the sides)

L3gend4ryAspect2 votes

The option to get whichever skin they want would kind of be a bad idea. Maybe just a mystery skin or a cool badge on their profile/loading screen?

Makior721 votes

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The option to get whichever skin they want would kind of be a bad idea. Maybe just a mystery skin or a cool badge on their profile/loading screen?

Id be ok with a mystery skin. Not sure how the any skin idea is a "bad" idea. Its basically riot making a small investment that costs them literally nothing to have people make the game more enjoyable for newbies!

8Hz98hmIDG1 votes

I think the first time you mentor, you should get an icon, but maybe every time or every 3 times after that, you get a mystery skin.

Makior722 votes

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I think the first time you mentor, you should get an icon, but maybe every time or every 3 times after that, you get a mystery skin.

Cant agree with this one, people would be more interested in farming skins than actually mentoring if something like this were in place.

I would say to collect any kind of reward as a mentor you should have to mentor a minimum mumber of games in a season. pulls a number out of his ass how bout 20? XD

8Hz98hmIDG1 votes

I can agree with this, but I still feel like this would be the kind of thing an icon could easily be applied to. And then maybe the skins every 20, maybe even more like 30-50. (We all know Rito won't want to give too many skins away for free that easily) Or maybe take it a step farther and make it every 30-50 mentor WINS.

ModWuks2 votes

Greetings, all! I'd like to hear your feedback about perhaps having an Instructor program on NA/NA Boards. Please read the EUW announcement below and let me know what you think!

http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/ZAxM2etm-volunteer-update-new-role

If anything, perhaps we can get something unofficial going?

Makior721 votes

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Greetings, all! I'd like to hear your feedback about perhaps having an Instructor program on NA/NA Boards. Please read the EUW announcement below and let me know what you think!

http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/ZAxM2etm-volunteer-update-new-role

If anything, perhaps we can get something unofficial going?

I would be willing to participate in this, but im not sure how many new people come to the boards. I mostly just see the same faces all the time.

177A Bleecker St1 votes

lol you posted this in the other post xD

Makior721 votes

I know, figured i would make my own thread for it though since it could be its own topic of discussion.

Jas3Bae1 votes

I think it's a good idea. Maybe not exactly like this, but something similar.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Is there any game that has this as a function or mode? I don't think riot is run by trend setters. They take existing ideas and figure out how to monetize them. They won't be the first to emplement some thing so benefitial that doesn't also make it rain. That damn capitalism

Makior721 votes

[{quoted}](name=Occams Raiser,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AAfgbaTE,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-01-06T07:45:42.400+0000)

Is there any game that has this as a function or mode? I don't think riot is run by trend setters. They take existing ideas and figure out how to monetize them. They won't be the first to emplement some thing so benefitial that doesn't also make it rain. That damn capitalism

Final fantasy 11 had a mentor mode in it. However that game is not a moba at all.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I just wanted to know if there was a precedent.

MorganKaines1 votes

I love this idea! I proposed something similar in another thread a bit back, and some people connected in it, volunteering to be mentors and asking for mentors. It seemed to be a well received idea, and I think it could do a lot for lowering the toxicity of the community.

Good job :D

XIII Vanitas1 votes

Very few people would want to be the mentor. Remember that this is a game, people want to play it to have fun and be in competition with each other.

Makior721 votes

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Very few people would want to be the mentor. Remember that this is a game, people want to play it to have fun and be in competition with each other.

Thats why you incentivise the mentors with a skin, maybe even 2x IP for matches played while mentoring.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

Skins are cool, but the game isn't about them. Many players don't care about skins and, if they really want one, they buy it. Same things goes for IP: you don't need 20 rune pages and all the champions in League. I don't want to ruin your dream, I'm just saying that very few players would want to mentor for a long period of time. Some might want to do it for a game or two, but then they would get bored. Be realistic and ask yourself: do you think that Riot Games would want to invest money for a larger playerbase? They gain money only by selling skins and icons and the players that buy them are usually those who have been playing the game for a long time. Have you ever thought about why new skins get released almost every patch?

Makior721 votes

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Skins are cool, but the game isn't about them. Many players don't care about skins and, if they really want one, they buy it. Same things goes for IP: you don't need 20 rune pages and all the champions in League. I don't want to ruin your dream, I'm just saying that very few players would want to mentor for a long period of time. Some might want to do it for a game or two, but then they would get bored. Be realistic and ask yourself: do you think that Riot Games would want to invest money for a larger playerbase? They gain money only by selling skins and icons and the players that buy them are usually those who have been playing the game for a long time. Have you ever thought about why new skins get released almost every patch?

They currently are investing time and money with the new tribunal and current player reform system. Spending a bit more on something like this would help their public image as many people think of league when they think of toxic games.

Im sure more people than you think would end up mentoring for a free skin.

Mama Soraka1 votes

I and plenty others help new players even without any incentive. I think you are underestimating the nature of helpful players. Personally, I'm opposed to incentivizing the mentor program because the last thing these new players need is unhelpful mentors just there to get a reward.

Makior721 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mauve Thunder,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AAfgbaTE,comment-id=0008000000000001,timestamp=2016-01-11T18:54:26.653+0000)

I and plenty others help new players even without any incentive. I think you are underestimating the nature of helpful players. Personally, I'm opposed to incentivizing the mentor program because the last thing these new players need is unhelpful mentors just there to get a reward.

Im not saying that people dont help out low levels without an incentive. Only saying that this program would bring more people to the table. Experienced people.

Sure someone in bronze / silver / un ranked COULD provide SOME good information to a new player. But how is someone who averages less than 100cs a game going to lecture someone on the importance of cs?

How is someone who regularly tower dives a lvl 2 shen going to tell me about how to properly tower dive? There is a reason they arnt ranked higher and that is because they themselvs do not have a good understanding of the game in most cases.

Mama Soraka1 votes

We have our own ways, nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is that you are insisting that climbing that ranked ladder makes a player more qualified to help new players on BASIC mechanics. I'll repeat it one last time for you: This system is BEST served helping new and inexperienced players form a solid foundation in areas that players unfamiliar with a MOBA would need help with including movement, camera control, laning, CS vs Kills, AD vs AP, using the ping system, etc. People that want to climb the ladder are not new players and already know how to use the resources available to them to seek help from experienced ranked players either on the boards or from the many, many websites dedicated to match-ups and builds.

New players do not benefit from those resources as much when building their foundation of skills. Charts and graphs, match-ups, runes and masteries.. its all meaningless when you're sub-30. You can't excel later in the game without the solid fundamentals. That should be the goal of any Mentoring Program.

Mama Soraka1 votes

I already help out new players in intro/beginner bots but I never play ranked. You don't need to be Gold whatever to help new players with basic mechanics, and lets be real, this system would best be served helping the newest of the new get used to movement in a moba, the lane setup, importance of CSing, and when to trade and proper back timings. I find your idea insulting at its very core that people should be ranked to help new players and expect rewards for making the new player experience better. As it stands, those of us that already donate our time to improve a new player's experience aren't even eligible for the 10ip the bot match would be worth, yet you suggest your mentor queue should be worth a skin and have a barrier to entry.

Makior721 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mauve Thunder,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AAfgbaTE,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-01-11T16:08:20.978+0000)

I already help out new players in intro/beginner bots but I never play ranked. You don't need to be Gold whatever to help new players with basic mechanics, and lets be real, this system would best be served helping the newest of the new get used to movement in a moba, the lane setup, importance of CSing, and when to trade and proper back timings. I find your idea insulting at its very core that people should be ranked to help new players and expect rewards for making the new player experience better. As it stands, those of us that already donate our time to improve a new player's experience aren't even eligible for the 10ip the bot match would be worth, yet you suggest your mentor queue should be worth a skin and have a barrier to entry.

Who would you rather learn to fight from? A guy who watches alot of king fu movies, or a guy who knows kung fu?

Thats why i propose the rank barrier.

Mama Soraka1 votes

That is a terrible analogy. I refuse to play ranked because I want to have fun, not progress up a ladder. You seem to have ignored the points about how this system would be best used to reinforce basic mechanics and help new players get started, not tutor them in how to succeed in a ranked environment. We need to foster strong fundamentals and players will thrive without somebody telling them how to play in ranked.

In your analogy you have no idea how much Kung Fu I know, except that I've been practicing for like 6 years and don't care to go to any tournaments because I enjoy Kung Fu with friends rather than competing.

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