Boards›Player Behavior

I think it's time to create a report category for the various abuses of supports

Great Muta··3 votes·826 views

Supports in normals, both blind pick and draft is a total shit show. These are things that consistently happen:

  • People picking champs not for the position, but because they want to play the champ. In the last 24 hours I've had Veigar, AP Nasus and Kled support. As you can guess, none of them worked out well and all 3 specifically said they didn't want to be support.

  • The support usually ends up as support due to being late to call their lane. Rarely are these people picking and then playing supports. It becomes more of a "do I want to get penalized for dodging or do I want to just play carelessly and likely lose" argument, and most just take the 2nd. I would match rather wait in q for 20 mins and find a real support than struggle through a 40 min game 1v3.

  • Supports taking cs is a huge deal. Right now, my supports are taking 10%-30% of my CS. This puts me 10%-30% behind the other team. Twice in my last few games, my support was 1-2 levels ahead of me due to this.

  • There's nothing the ADC can do but suck it up and deal with it. Any comment could be a verbal or negative. I'm basically going to be playing 1v3 and the only thing I can hope for is that a report in the wrong category helps me out.

Give ADC's a break Riot. It's hard enough to ADC and be able to be wiped in 1 second as is, yet alone having supports who don't want to support.

18 Comments

The Poetic Zed6 votes

Cs doesn't level you up, being around the minions dying gives you the exp. If you were 1-2 levels behind it's because you left lane more often than your support

Great Muta1 votes

And why did I?

Because the support pick was a troll pick and causing me to take more damage and having less cs put me further behind.

xReadyPlayerOnex3 votes
  1. Supports taking cs isn't as big a deal as you think. Doubly so if they grab a relic shield. It's gold for your team. The idea is that the adc get's more gold faster but that isn't the ONLY way it can work.
  2. I've made all sorts of weird supports work. Veigar specifically works well if he's landing stuns. Playing against a fiddle support with a jinx adc was a torturous lane. Even seen AurelionSol work cause the adc just sits on him and farms while you can't even get close (obviously certain lane match ups would counter this but they didn't have that set up).
  3. It's blind pick. You get what you get. And draft doesn't ensure they get what they want either. Support is one of the hardest parts of the game. You have to not only play for yourself but you have to help another player while doing all sorts of stuff to help your team. It's a thankless role that doesn't do much damage (for the most part) and is more about making other people shine than getting the big plays yourself.
  4. CSing doesn't = extra xp; If you're behind in level it's because YOU are behind in level.
  5. ADC's do have to suck it up and deal with it. There's a dozen ways to make almost any bot lane combo work when you're in lower ranks.

If you're losing cs and don't like it; there are also items you can build which help you get it faster than most supports can even spam skills and auto's such as hurricane and shiv. Specific ADC's do this well too such as Sivir or Tristana. Take control if you want to ADC. If you're getting behind, I can almost guarantee that for 95% of your games it's not because your support took some cs. It's because you're not doing something right.

Great Muta1 votes

Supports taking cs isn't as big a deal as you think. Doubly so if they grab a relic shield. It's gold for your team. The idea is that the adc get's more gold faster but that isn't the ONLY way it can work.

One item makes the difference in winning or a losing a fight and the ADC with the support who won't take any CS, has a much better chance of getting it than the person who has a support taking his cs.

I've made all sorts of weird supports work. Veigar specifically works well if he's landing stuns. Playing against a fiddle support with a jinx adc was a torturous lane. Even seen work cause the adc just sits on him and farms while you can't even get close (obviously certain lane match ups would counter this but they didn't have that set up).

Anecdotal evidence. Do it for a 100 some games in ranked and post it to youtube. Til then, this is invalid.

It's blind pick. You get what you get. And draft doesn't ensure they get what they want either. Support is one of the hardest parts of the game. You have to not only play for yourself but you have to help another player while doing all sorts of stuff to help your team. It's a thankless role that doesn't do much damage (for the most part) and is more about making other people shine than getting the big plays yoursel

ADC becomes even harder when you have a support taking your cs and not sucking up any of the damage.

CSing doesn't = extra xp; If you're behind in level it's because YOU are behind in level.

Not only do I go behind in levels, I go behind in cs/gold when the other ADC doesn't have supports stealing his cs.

ADC's do have to suck it up and deal with it. There's a dozen ways to make almost any bot lane combo work when you're in lower ranks.

Good luck when I'm underleveled, have less gold, less cs and know I can get blown up real fast unless I have someone with me.

If you're losing cs and don't like it; there are also items you can build which help you get it faster than most supports can even spam skills and auto's such as hurricane and shiv. Specific ADC's do this well too such as Sivir or Tristana. Take control if you want to ADC. If you're getting behind, I can almost guarantee that for 95% of your games it's not because your support took some cs. It's because you're not doing something right.

Gonna be hard to do any item buying when I can't get any cs to get gold to get items with and going to be even harder when I'm sucking up the damage and having to go B.

xReadyPlayerOnex3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A2AAGFEX,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-18T18:07:05.708+0000)

One item makes the difference in winning or a losing a fight and the ADC with the support who won't take any CS, has a much better chance of getting it than the person who has a support taking his cs.

Anecdotal evidence. Do it for a 100 some games in ranked and post it to youtube. Til then, this is invalid.

ADC becomes even harder when you have a support taking your cs and not sucking up any of the damage.

Not only do I go behind in levels, I go behind in cs/gold when the other ADC doesn't have supports stealing his cs.

Good luck when I'm underleveled, have less gold, less cs and know I can get blown up real fast unless I have someone with me.

Gonna be hard to do any item buying when I can't get any cs to get gold to get items with and going to be even harder when I'm sucking up the damage and having to go B.

All I hear is excuse after excuse after excuse. Man up bro.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Great Muta1 votes

You really don't seem to get that:

ADC without cs gets no gold, so they can't get any items and can't stronger.

And you also don't seem to get that if the ADC is eating damage, they can't stay in lane and are going to get further behind by going B.

xReadyPlayerOnex2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A2AAGFEX,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-18T18:47:50.503+0000)

You really don't seem to get that:

ADC without cs gets no gold, so they can't get any items and can't stronger.

And you also don't seem to get that if the ADC is eating damage, they can't stay in lane and are going to get further behind by going B.

No, you don't seem to get that it's YOUR choices in game which effect the outcome of YOUR lane much more than your supports play style. If you're eating damage, and not trading then you're out of position or pushing too hard. If you can't stay in lane you're doing something wrong.

There are plenty of items to help you get back into the game. Shiv is not a high cost, and clears minions like no tomorrow, specially on high attack speed adc's. You blame shit on other people but fail completely to own up to the fact that what YOU are doing is incorrect. Posting about your "troll" supports is just acknowledging that YOU can't carry them when in fact you should be able to or at minimum freeze lane and minimize the loss.

Zach Sandwhich2 votes

Play draft mode not blind pick problem solved.

Great Muta1 votes

Doesn't work and I've tried it. Same issues. Instead of people not calling out first, they have support or fill as a secondary and get stuck with it. Then not only am I going to have to deal with the same issues, my Q time is now 7 minutes longer.

Kei1432 votes

Silver queue 7mins longer?

Ya right

Great Muta1 votes

It's true. 3-7 minutes every time.

Kei1431 votes

thats not 7 minutes longer mate.

and stop queuing for mid.

KORGtuners2 votes

How about you play support?

KORGtuners1 votes

No? You are carry player right?

Good news! Que up as support and play a carry. Just like those other people do to you.

KORGtuners1 votes

You don't deserve any more help but that won't stop me.

Buy ancient coin. Gives you gold and heals you when your support "steals" your farm.

Tilt Fiend2 votes

Not ranked who cares

OurLestrade1 votes

The size of the victim complex of the support role makes me embarrassed to call myself a main sometimes.

EazyMakaveli21 votes

you are level 30. Dont play normals.

More from Player Behavior

The indefinite banning of Tyler1
Player Behavior4,799 comments
2,942
votes
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?
Player Behavior1,525 comments
1,086
votes
Riot should add monthly status cards
Player Behavior241 comments
843
votes
Reminder that we haven't gotten our Summoner report cards yet :/
Player Behavior145 comments
619
votes
I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
Player Behavior361 comments
548
votes
Black Alistar, King Rammus!!!!
Player Behavior462 comments
503
votes

More by Great Muta

I feel if you lose bot lane right now, you lose the game
Gameplay147 comments
106
votes
The 1000 HP+ combos in the first 15 minutes are getting pretty old
Gameplay73 comments
43
votes
Just your daily reminder that everyone is doing too much damage
Gameplay28 comments
31
votes
How can I more clearly explain to bronze players that cs > kills?
Gameplay75 comments
20
votes
Getting tired of "League of Punishments"
Player Behavior48 comments
17
votes
The game is too reliant on bot lane right now
Gameplay7 comments
12
votes