What is the point of having bans if everyone can create multiple new accounts?

Great Muta·Nov 2, 2016·2 votes·1,150 views

Anyone with money can just buy their champs back, buy boosts to rank up quicker and have a shot at actually getting better placements if they make another account. That's what I did. Plus, I can then dodge more freely as time penalties aren't a factor. I guess the loss of runes and having to spend some cash is an inconvenience, but that's about it.

28 Comments

eldurisNov 2, 201610 votes

Sure I guess if you have a lot of money and you don't care about sentimental value on anything then yeah, bans aren't really that effective. I mean, besides having to level a new account to 30 and play ranked games to get back to where you were, drop a lot of IP on your runes and rune pages, etc.

For me, I've had my account since 2011, I even have some skins you can't buy anymore like the original Championship Riven and Judgment Kayle. Not to mention my summoner icons, a lot of which you can't get anymore. It'd break my heart to lose all that I acquired since I started playing and if I got a permaban I'd probably never play again.

Great MutaNov 2, 20161 votes

I don't have a lot of money but really, even though I spend a lot of League, it's a drop in the bucket.

The only runes you truly need are 1 for AP Champs, 1 for AS and 1 for AD. Yeah, you can specialize some champs, but you winning or losing is going to be the same.

For me, my rank is shit, so placement matches are sadly a chance to get promoted.

Getting a main account banned might suck to lose some of the skins. Honestly though, even though I've spent hundreds on skins, I'm not really impressed or even interested in them. I've always thought they were very underwhelming and I truly don't even think I get it. I guess they are kind of cool to look at or brag about maybe?

ModWulf HelhammerNov 2, 20162 votes

Or you're like me and have spent $1680 and have all the champs and all 3 crafting exclusives. I sure as hell ain't losing that stuff just for being stupid

eldurisNov 2, 20161 votes

There are 3 crafting exclusives?! Oh god...my wallet...

ModWulf HelhammerNov 2, 20161 votes

Hextech Annie, Soulstealer Vayne, and Hextech Ward. I used gemstones to get the two skins, and got the ward as a shard just from a box. (I then later got a Hextech Annie shard)

jpguy902Nov 2, 20161 votes

But don't you think that a good portion of people will at least attempt to make a new account and try to get back to where they were. Even if they only make it level 10, wouldn't that flood the new player experience with toxic smurfs?

Great MutaNov 2, 20162 votes

Trust me, pre level 10 PVP is a bunch of toxic smurfs. 6 out of 10 players in every game will have a 2nd account.

Minj YooNov 2, 20162 votes

That is not true at all. As long as you lose continuously, which a normal player would do, you won't be meeting smurfs.

And the more you win, the more smurfs you'll see. I'm level 17 and I already see Two master tier level 30s in the opposing side. Which is only the case because I win too many games ! :)

MimyNov 2, 20163 votes

{quoted}

For me, I've had my account since 2011, I even have some skins you can't buy anymore like the original Championship Riven and Judgment Kayle. Not to mention my summoner icons, a lot of which you can't get anymore. It'd break my heart to lose all that I acquired since I started playing and if I got a permaban I'd probably never play again.

-hugs and pats head- There there, it'll be okay. I don't see you getting banned ever. :3

DrCyanideNov 2, 20164 votes

It's a deterrent. Yeah, you could pay to get all the boosts, the skins, the champions, then grind for the levels and runes, but at the end of the day if you don't change your behavior you'll get that account banned too and have to repeat the process.

Riot's fine with those that change sticking around, and those that don't will just get banned again and again until they get tired of the grinding/paying for content and move on.

ReadyxPlayerxOneNov 2, 20163 votes

Sometimes when the kid has a tantrum you have to take the toy away. Even if they're old enough to get a new toy.

LoomberFootNov 2, 20162 votes

When people get banned and create new accounts it creates more money for riot also it acts as a shield to block out some people.

ModPrandineNov 2, 20162 votes

Sure people can just make new accounts, but if they continue to show the same behavior that got them banned in the first place then they'll soon find their new accounts banned as well until they either shape up or ship out.

Great MutaNov 2, 20161 votes

Or they can just keep making new accounts.

LimmieNov 2, 20162 votes

It's their time and money to waste.

Great MutaNov 2, 20161 votes

Eh this game is a waste of time. There's no denying it unless you are one of the few making cash off of it. The majority of players are never getting past gold.

LimmieNov 2, 20161 votes

That's assuming people's enjoyment depends on getting past gold in the first place.

midnight oil24Nov 2, 20162 votes

That's a good point right there. I just want to have fun with this game, my ranking when I get to that will just be something that happens.

Great MutaNov 3, 20161 votes

Depends on how and why you play. I like games where I can compete and rank up the most. There's a lot of reasons to play LOL and I would not play if it weren't for ranked.

ModPrandineNov 2, 20161 votes

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Or they can just keep making new accounts.

Again I say sure people can just make new accounts, but if they continue to show the same behavior that got them banned in the first place then they'll soon find their new accounts banned as well until they either shape up or ship out.

Great MutaNov 3, 20161 votes

I could honestly see a situation where everyone is banned from the game at some point. It's unlikely but entirely possible. Reports are free and easy.

ModPrandineNov 3, 20161 votes

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I could honestly see a situation where everyone is banned from the game at some point. It's unlikely but entirely possible. Reports are free and easy.

Sure, until you remember consider the fact that false and inaccurate reports get thrown out.

Great MutaNov 3, 20161 votes

That's actually incorrect.

The system automates reports, no human sees them. I've heard on suspensions humans take a look, but it's not confirmed. Me thinks with 100 million players, even if only the worst 5% get suspended, that would be impossible to check out all of those.

Therefore, the system has no way to know false reports from legit reports.

Bogus reports can also spur a punishment as it only takes 3 games to get punished. If G1 and G2 reports were legit, but G3 reports were shown to be bogus, the game doesn't take away a strike. And Riot goes through your chat history to justify punishments, and since we don't know how far they go back, they could easily keep going until they find something to justify it.

ModPrandineNov 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9oKIjhVL,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T00:39:46.126+0000)

That's actually incorrect.

The system automates reports, no human sees them. I've heard on suspensions humans take a look, but it's not confirmed. Me thinks with 100 million players, even if only the worst 5% get suspended, that would be impossible to check out all of those.

Therefore, the system has no way to know false reports from legit reports.

Bogus reports can also spur a punishment as it only takes 3 games to get punished. If G1 and G2 reports were legit, but G3 reports were shown to be bogus, the game doesn't take away a strike. And Riot goes through your chat history to justify punishments, and since we don't know how far they go back, they could easily keep going until they find something to justify it.

From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Also, in your example of course it wouldn't take away a strike since like you said both games 1 and 2 were punishable (even though it only takes one game to get punished) and since Reform Cards also only show the most recent games on the account.

Great MutaNov 3, 20161 votes

Who reviews the game? Think about it. There's a 100 million players. I reported no less than 12 people alone today and that's just me. Imagine how many reviews that would require per day. It's impossible. Think of how many humans would have to be hired to check those...and that's just today.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Look at this quote carefully. You can't be punished for verbal abuse, offensive language or hate speech. Guess what's missing? Negative attitude. And from what we know, verbal abuse + negative attitude + hate speech may stack together.

Lord DroversonNov 3, 20162 votes

I cant figure out why people think this doesn't detere people away from playing.

Having to grind all the way back up to 30, spend money again, with the high probability of being banned, and having to do it all over again..........most people will simply give up. That's not fun. Most players want their main account back.

You think Riot would continue to do this if it wasnt working? Contrary to what people may think ..... Riot isnt stupid.

midnight oil24Nov 2, 20161 votes

admitting to just making a new account is pretty ballsy, but I don't know how you act on this one. Maybe you're reformed.