... that people who play CertainlyT champs are typically completely obnoxious?
Like I've never seen 1 non-obnoxious Zoe or Yasuo player and see quite a few obnoxious Thresh/Kalista players
EDIT: like the listed act like they're a complete god because they got first blood
ModThe Djinn6 votesI suppose it could be said that more of his champions attract this then those of some other designers, but I suspect that's because CertainlyT is frankly really damn good at designing big moments that feel great. The sort of player who likes to exalt in their own performance typically loves big moments like this, and as such as likely to be attracted to champions that feature a lot of them prominently. No matter what you think of his designs, landing that Darius ultimate or that Zoe E-Q just feels good.
Glîtchy1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=97ZG2LpO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-21T16:35:56.342+0000)
I suppose it could be said that more of his champions attract this then those of some other designers, but I suspect that's because CertainlyT is frankly really damn good at designing big moments that feel great. The sort of player who likes to exalt in their own performance typically loves big moments like this, and as such as likely to be attracted to champions that feature a lot of them prominently. No matter what you think of his designs, landing that Darius ultimate or that Zoe E-Q just feels good.
When my partners act like this, I choose to not gank for them until someone grabs them and throws them to the dirt off their high horse
TheUrbanKitsune3 votesI mean yeah, nobody likes a show-off or someone who is constantly being obnoxious, but wouldn't it be in you best interest to gank for a teammate that you can snowball? ESPECIALLY if they are even semi-capable of performing on their champ and will ultimately help win you the game?
This just sounds like really poor and petty decision making on your part...
Glîtchy1 votesI mean yeah, nobody likes a show-off or someone who is constantly being obnoxious, but wouldn't it be in you best interest to gank for a teammate that you can snowball? ESPECIALLY if they are even semi-capable of performing on their champ and will ultimately help win you the game?
This just sounds like really poor and petty decision making on your part...
If my teammate does it, I don't gank until they stop acting obnoxiously, if the opposition does it, I gank them til their team claims they're inting
Wizard Blaze3 votesBut Mr. CertainlyT need to understand this is a PVP game and not PVE. His champs are designed as like they are going to play against non human players. So far so now between him and seeing this is 10 galaxy's away.
ModThe Djinn5 votes[{quoted}](name=Wizard Blaze,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=97ZG2LpO,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-07-21T16:38:51.301+0000)
But Mr. CertainlyT need to understand this is a PVP game and not PVE. His champs are designed as like they are going to play against non human players. So far so now between him and seeing this is 10 galaxy's away.
Personally I actually enjoy playing against most of his champions. The only one that sometimes bothers me is Kalista, just because she's so hard to pin down. The others typically feel pretty good to me personally, but I do understand that this is highly subjective.
Wizard Blaze1 votesI dont have anything against him. But at least his champs should a fair trade when doing damage and then they dont and have way easier escaping method.
Look at yasuo he gains a shield in passive WITH critical and some windwall that even block a a forge god of ornn with aoe tornado and aoe ulti. huh?????
second let us take a look at thresh. UFFFFFFF. his hook not only CC you but also let him drag himself to you. CC with E + 200% extra AD damage aa passive and CC with R why + Damage. why???????????????????????????????????????????????????
Then to satan inspiration called Zoe. She missed her skillshot why it stays in there? why dont nami bubble stay in there few seconds as well? why not others skillshot cc stay in there for few seconds as well? and dont get me started on her Q.
Not going to deny i played her before and she is hard. but we must not deny she is painful to deal with and highest toxic champ i ever encounterd in my life.
AGAIN! To you Mr. CertainlyT i have nothing against you. but please design something fair to deal with.
Glîtchy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Wizard Blaze,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=97ZG2LpO,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-21T16:47:47.828+0000)
I dont have anything against him. But at least his champs should a fair trade when doing damage and then they dont and have way easier escaping method.
Look at yasuo he gains a shield in passive WITH critical and some windwall that even block a a forge god of ornn with aoe tornado and aoe ulti. huh?????
second let us take a look at thresh. UFFFFFFF. his hook not only CC you but also let him drag himself to you. CC with E + 200% extra AD damage aa passive and CC with R why + Damage. why???????????????????????????????????????????????????
Then to satan inspiration called Zoe. She missed her skillshot why it stays in there? why dont nami bubble stay in there few seconds as well? why not others skillshot cc stay in there for few seconds as well? and dont get me started on her Q.
Not going to deny i played her before and she is hard. but we must not deny she is painful to deal with and highest toxic champ i ever encounterd in my life.
AGAIN! To you Mr. CertainlyT i have nothing against you. but please design something fair to deal with.
To be exact Yasuo only does 10% less crit damage than other champs, which is poor balancing
TheUrbanKitsune2 votes"please design something fair to deal with." The champs have pretty clear weaknesses.
Yasuo:
-Yes, he get's a passive shield, but it's pretty small and doesn't last that long. You can bait it out or pop it like a Malzahar shield by just going for a quick auto or spell.
-Windwall is on a LONG cooldown
-He relies on his high mobility to dodge and position, and his mobility is directly dependent on having targets to dash through. Try to not fight him in a minion wave.
-His ult roots him in place for a short duration, unless he somehow got your whole team (which is more your team's fault for positioning poorly) then someone should be able to take this opportunity to lock him down
-After he uses tornado there's a decent period of time before he can use it again as he has to charge more Q's, you can usually try to fight him in this window
**Thresh: ** -His cooldowns are LONG. If he misses a hook he has to wait 20 / 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 second (without CDR) before trying again. This is his primary engage to help him get on targets.
-Lantern is an amazing ability used properly, but it's also on a 22 / 20.5 / 19 / 17.5 / 16 second cooldown.
-Flay's cooldown is a flat 9 seconds, which is still pretty long
-Plus, usually when Thresh is in, he's in, meaning if he engages a bad fight he's probably going to die. A lot like Leona, Players have to be careful and make good choices on when to fight.
Zoe:
-Her damage is pretty reliant on her landing both of her primary skillshots, if you can dodge or somehow outplay the bubble she does significantly less
-She has no good escapes. This is a big one. Zoe may be REALLLLY annoying from the range she likes to attack from, but she is actually really immobile up close. Her ult tells you exactly she will land after the ability ends, and can only position her back to where she started. As long as you don't carelessly blow summoners around her, she has a hard time getting out of good engages.
Don't get me wrong, I hate these champions too, especially Zoe, but it doesn't mean that they're unbalanced or 'unfair to play against'.
disregardable1 votesso your design philosophy is, "If you add 5 seconds to the cooldown, you can make an ability significantly stronger than other champions' abilities and it's fine"
TheUrbanKitsune2 votesThat's not what I said at all, lol :p I was just pointing out that the champions they claimed were 'unfair' actually have plenty of exploitable weaknesses.
Longer cooldowns are one way to balance something though.
disregardable1 votesWell if they had NO weaknesses, they wouldn't only be unfair, they'd be unstoppable.
As it stands, those champions get to do more than other champions at no real cost.
Glîtchy1 votes"please design something fair to deal with." The champs have pretty clear weaknesses.
Yasuo:
-Yes, he get's a passive shield, but it's pretty small and doesn't last that long. You can bait it out or pop it like a Malzahar shield by just going for a quick auto or spell.
-Windwall is on a LONG cooldown
-He relies on his high mobility to dodge and position, and his mobility is directly dependent on having targets to dash through. Try to not fight him in a minion wave.
-His ult roots him in place for a short duration, unless he somehow got your whole team (which is more your team's fault for positioning poorly) then someone should be able to take this opportunity to lock him down
-After he uses tornado there's a decent period of time before he can use it again as he has to charge more Q's, you can usually try to fight him in this window
**Thresh: ** -His cooldowns are LONG. If he misses a hook he has to wait 20 / 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 second (without CDR) before trying again. This is his primary engage to help him get on targets.
-Lantern is an amazing ability used properly, but it's also on a 22 / 20.5 / 19 / 17.5 / 16 second cooldown.
-Flay's cooldown is a flat 9 seconds, which is still pretty long
-Plus, usually when Thresh is in, he's in, meaning if he engages a bad fight he's probably going to die. A lot like Leona, Players have to be careful and make good choices on when to fight.
Zoe:
-Her damage is pretty reliant on her landing both of her primary skillshots, if you can dodge or somehow outplay the bubble she does significantly less
-She has no good escapes. This is a big one. Zoe may be REALLLLY annoying from the range she likes to attack from, but she is actually really immobile up close. Her ult tells you exactly she will land after the ability ends, and can only position her back to where she started. As long as you don't carelessly blow summoners around her, she has a hard time getting out of good engages.
Don't get me wrong, I hate these champions too, especially Zoe, but it doesn't mean that they're unbalanced or 'unfair to play against'.
Yasuo, Zoe and likely Akali is/are gonna be his most unfair works, his WW rework and Thresh were fine.
Kei1431 votesI feel real good out playing those champs.
That puny windwall isn't going to save a Yasuo against my deadly vines and carefully positioned plants. At least at my current level, people can't outplay me yet.
Glîtchy1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=97ZG2LpO,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-07-21T16:40:11.187+0000)
Personally I actually enjoy playing against most of his champions. The only one that sometimes bothers me is Kalista, just because she's so hard to pin down. The others typically feel pretty good to me personally, but I do understand that this is highly subjective.
Zoe should be removed from league, riot basically confesses their thoughts through Akali's rework
mærk1 votesI played a normal game where an honor 4 called me out because I was picking, Yasuo. He goes, "Omg it's a Yasuo main, please don't feed and rage."
Then in-game he proceeds to try new item build when Shen Jungle and his premade remarks it being a new build he is trying after I asked him to just play tanky so we can win team fights.
Shen proceeded to go 5-11 ( 0-6 first 15 minutes ) while I went 11-6 without any ganks.
Shen never typed once in-game but champion select had such a nasty attitude for an honor 4 player.
I hope player support reviews his chat pre-game and punishes him for such a foul tone then trolled in-game because the game didn't matter.