adc attitudes towards "do nothing" supports

JarodDempsey··2 votes·704 views

I feel like adc's should have to play a certain number of support matches until they realize how much their support actually does. I've started to find with the current state of some adcs snowballing as long as theyre babysat earlygame that it's gone to their head. I hear stuff like

"you did nothing in lane" "you never damaged them" "you sat under tower"

and in each instance I have at least two good things for every bad but they just dont seem to notice like if i ping them that the enemy jungle is coming bot from mid bc theyre too busy staring at minion hp bar to check minimap or how their hp is constantly topped up even though they regularly get poked due to poor positioning or how my actions are the only reason they survived long enough in that fight to get those kills to snowball. I feel like mainly they fail to realize that their kills are actually our kills.

So then it's like "I got these kills" and then "? ping" and "you did nothing" and then when i tell them later in game to do things like not try to 1v3 the enemy team in jungle when noone else is there to help and then they die it's the good ole "? ping" and "why are you doing nothing" even though im clearly bot with another laner defending a wave being pushed on an inhib turret (which is why i first pinged danger and then ping my intended path to save turret).

I swear unless i play a supp with major cc and significant damage my adc is blind to my contributions. Almost never get a thx or gj, it's even super rare to get a u2 when i say gj after a well fought fight.

Idk if it's just that adcs maybe arent as nice/considerate of people as supports are in general so it doesnt occur to them that they arent the only people winning a match or if they really are just ignorant of everything a good support does that keeps them from losing.

TLDR adc's need some manners and supports need recognition

10 Comments

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Eh, not nice to call out an entire role. While I have had some rude adc's I have had many more positive ones.

Accidentally took scuttle while we roamed river. I said "sorry." and their response was "Don't even worry. Only doing this well thanks to you."

JarodDempsey1 votes

maybe it's because i play norms, i never get considerate adc's

Jo0o2 votes

To be fair, it would be nice to have this for most roles in the game.

Impatient supports should be forced to play ADC to understand when it's appropriate to sit back and farm, rather than force fights. Mid laners should be forced to play top to learn how being isolated from the rest of the map feels. Top laners should play mid to understand roaming and participating in team fights. Everybody should play jungle to figure out when and where you can realistically expect ganks, and how hard it is to gank when your laners are playing too aggressively, for example. And yeah, everybody should play support to understand what being perpetually under-fed feels like.

JarodDempsey1 votes

lol im always the one wishing my lane partner knew that they hsouldnt be engaging fights and should instead be focusing on farm and not getting damaged. I guess every role has those people who just suck lol

kevin heals you2 votes

there is no "do nothing support" as all supports you should be putting out as much pressure as possible weaving in and out of other adc's auto attack range. baiting out skill shots walking up to make them move back and miss minions sometimes if you are sitting behind your adc not putting out pressure your a useless support.

JarodDempsey1 votes

obviously no support does no damage but if youre like a squishy melee support you wont be poking often which is seemingly what many adc's expect now a days

kevin heals you2 votes

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obviously no support does no damage but if youre like a squishy melee support you wont be poking often which is seemingly what many adc's expect now a days

even if your a squishy melee support you should be putting as much pressure as possible by getting close as you can without getting in there attack range to make them focus you to relieve pressure on your adc. supports that just sit back make the lane 1v2. if your not making them use there skillshots on you your doing it wrong.

JarodDempsey2 votes

ok so more specifically i play a lot of kayle support. I have 1 heal skill on a 15 second cooldown that costs 100 mana. Theres no way im going into their range so they can "use there skillshots on [me]" that'd just be asinine. I'd literally be giving them free damage for their mastery performance as well as offering free opportunities for them to engage. At best, I'd be blowing my mana and heal cooldown to make up for it.

By hanging back i'm 1: making more effective use of my heal by focusing their damage on one target (the target i can heal), 2: giving them fewer opportunities to engage and further do damage which would further work to reduce my mana, and 3: keeping half of the targets in my lane in relative safety so as to only have to focus on keeping one alive. Theres almost never a "relieve pressure on [my] adc" since my heal will negate almost all of it so long as im not incapacitated. The only time i ever move near enemy range (aside from full on fights) is against a jhin so i can bodyblock his root.

Granted I can think of few supports who truly excel at playing so passively, kayle, ori, and old soraka come to mind. But even though theyre few doesnt mean they "make the lane 1v2" they just excel at being as safe as possible to further the safety of the adc. Not all supports stand in front, some do stand behind.

All things considered, I ofc use e and q to increase lane damage during fights but using e and q any time else is extremely inefficient since I'm not building any moderate ap until third item and q is built second while e is built 3rd.

kevin heals you1 votes

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ok so more specifically i play a lot of kayle support. I have 1 heal skill on a 15 second cooldown that costs 100 mana. Theres no way im going into their range so they can "use there skillshots on [me]" that'd just be asinine. I'd literally be giving them free damage for their mastery performance as well as offering free opportunities for them to engage. At best, I'd be blowing my mana and heal cooldown to make up for it.

By hanging back i'm 1: making more effective use of my heal by focusing their damage on one target (the target i can heal), 2: giving them fewer opportunities to engage and further do damage which would further work to reduce my mana, and 3: keeping half of the targets in my lane in relative safety so as to only have to focus on keeping one alive. Theres almost never a "relieve pressure on [my] adc" since my heal will negate almost all of it so long as im not incapacitated. The only time i ever move near enemy range (aside from full on fights) is against a jhin so i can bodyblock his root.

Granted I can think of few supports who truly excel at playing so passively, kayle, ori, and old soraka come to mind. But even though theyre few doesnt mean they "make the lane 1v2" they just excel at being as safe as possible to further the safety of the adc. Not all supports stand in front, some do stand behind.

All things considered, I ofc use e and q to increase lane damage during fights but using e and q any time else is extremely inefficient since I'm not building any moderate ap until third item and q is built second while e is built 3rd.

"Theres no way im going into their range so they can "use there skillshots on [me]" that'd just be asinine" you bait there skill shots out and dodge them. if you are not doing this you are a useless support

JarodDempsey1 votes

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to your inexperience with kayle specifically and not just being dumb but kayle has 335 ms and no hard movement skill plus her model is medium wide and shes a squishy enchanter. Anyone with a shred of experience with their champ can hit her with a skillshot before she gets boots with little effort. It would plainly be in error to attempt to "bait there skill shots"

also youre consistently using the wrong there. eg their skill shots not there skill shots

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