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For the 3rd time in my experience, asking for reports was successful

Great Muta··1 votes·1,139 views

Had a pretty bad week with league. Tons of stompings and I mean tons. I got promoted and proceeded to lose the next 7 of my games with 3 AFK's, including one that got me demoted. Already having a pretty rough week, I played again today.

All 3 lanes started to lose. As the jungler, I took all of the blame as usual. No names were called on my end, but I did warn the team that we were likely done. As I said this, the "report Sej" phrase was tossed around. First it was one lane, then after not helping in a 3v1 on a half HP turret due to knowing I would die, the next lane got in on it. Top lane then joined in on the fun as their lane as lost. I was told I was the worst player ever, asked to uninstall, was told to kill myself and other shit. I asked the team to mute me when the team complained about me and the team kept on. I just wanted out of the game and unfortunately, there was no other way without punishment. I had to fight off 4 teammates for the rest of the game who were doing whatever they could to get at me, and they did.

At champ select, I knew I was done. My team was able to get the other team in on it and then their top started telling me how bad I was. I didn't reply, just reported. In all, I reported 5 different players and got the message after saying my account was toast. I then immediately moved on to my other account and will now focus on ranking my 3rd account up - because let's be honest, as an adult with money, you can't ban me.

All I can say is that 3 times asking for reports has proven to be successful. The game that got me a 2 week was a game where my team asked for my report. The game that got me a 2 week on my main was a game where my team asked for reports.

Some other thoughts:

  • Banning someone accomplishes nothing. I can always get or make a new account. I can buy every skin in the game if I really wanted to. Only I can stop myself from playing the game and sometimes, I don't even know if I can do that.

  • There is nothing worse than facing 4 teammates asking for your report while harassing you.

  • The current snowball meta leads to increased toxicity. It's really hard to get your ass kicked 22-5 or whatever and know you are stuck until it's over. It not only leads to feelings of helplessness, it creates additional fights between neversurrenders and ff@20 people.

  • The reporting system encourages reporting and having a premade just ensures more reports for your enemy.

  • You aren't going to beat toxicity unless you disable chat, and there's really no need to have chat. The game is free and being stuck with 4 strangers in roles you might not want to play and not being able to leave without punishment is always going to lead to trouble.

  • I'm honestly scared to play on my main account. Due to allchat, I have to mute 9 people if I truly don't want to hear 3rd party stories about how bad I am.

  • I might be done spending money on this game. It's just too risky when a string of bad games can get you banned. Skins are honestly disappointing anyway.

  • I'm a bronze/silver player, so losing a bronze/silver account doesn't mean that much. In fact, I'm kind of glad to know I don't have to deal with that elo for a while.

I think going forward, I have to decide if this game is the game for me. I do not like the various directions this season has taken and so far, next season doesn't look much better. I'm never going to be a pro and I think a lot of times, the game makes me more miserable playing it than I was not playing it.

29 Comments

Oleandervine3 votes

You wouldn't have gotten banned if you didn't already have a shopping list of valid reports against you, that, and if the most recent report was a valid report.

Great Muta1 votes

So how does this argue that "asking for reports isn't successful"?

elduris4 votes

Because it's not the asking itself that is successful in getting someone banned, it's their own toxic behavior. You can't just queue with someone and ask everyone to report them several games in a row and they get banned. They have to exhibit negative behavior consistently to do so.

scazzman1 votes

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Because it's not the asking itself that is successful in getting someone banned, it's their own toxic behavior. You can't just queue with someone and ask everyone to report them several games in a row and they get banned. They have to exhibit negative behavior consistently to do so.

the one thing i would like to bring up, when hidden report weight is added into the mix, asking for reports does have value, because if someone has a low report weight, even if the report is valid, it might not be able to trigger a review, and asking for reports makes it more likely said troll will be reported by a "weighted" player. and therefore more likely to be punished. for this reason alone i feel like they should eliminate hidden weight. and make a public announcement that they have done so.

Great Muta1 votes

Agreed. I've brought this up before and basically everyone gives Riot the benefit of the doubt about it. Truthfully, I can report 3 people every game and every report will be legit.

Great Muta1 votes

I think you could actually. The problem is we don't know the exact filters for how the punishment system works. If someone didn't say anything at all but was reported every game for negative/verbal, could they be banned? I think they could. Negative Attitude is pretty open and due to the report sections not covering enough areas, it's possible.

elduris4 votes

No, if someone says nothing in every game and doesn't participate in other non-verbal toxic behavior, they won't be banned, no matter how many reports they have against them.

Great Muta1 votes

Eh it seems plausible. Stuff like pretending to be AFK, refusing to communicate and other stuff would fit under negative attitude.

But it all goes back to the root of Riot not being clear enough about what is okay and what's not. And if you are going to make people follow the rules you have to post the rules for people to see.

Mister Punches1 votes

What Elduris says is true from what I've experienced. I get people reporting me in the game for things like "x said this in chat, pls report him", which is an absolute lie, given that I mute every single game I go into nowadays.

Falsely reporting someone will get nowhere. Asking others to report another person is a bannable offense. I haven't been banned or warned this entire season, and I plan on keeping it that way by muting everyone in my game so I won't have to participate or even look at the toxic chat. The postgame chat is already toxic enough as is.

Great Muta1 votes

We've already thrown out any experience here in this thread, so unfortunately it doesn't count.

Like I said, False reports do count because:

  1. There is no physical way Riot can human check the total number of reports. People like me shoot out 12+ a day and there's a 100 million players.

  2. False reports can trigger a punishment. Usually reports take samples from 3 games. If G1 and G2 reports were legit, but G3 were found to be not(which would have to be investigated), the punishment would still occur since Riot goes through your chat history to find justification.

Jorencice2 votes

Because it only take 1 report.

And yes yes ive heard of your shitty argument.

"asking makes it more likely 1 person reports you"

And its still a counter to the argument.

Great Muta1 votes

It fits right in.

And to quote myself: "asking makes it more likely 1 person reports you"

IcyPepper1 votes

"asking makes it more likely 1 person reports you"

But Rito only needs one to get that person punished if they deserve it.

So when you ask someone for reports, your hands are no longer clean. It's borderline harassment and just bogs the game down. If someone is causing a negative game environment, everyone else knows already. They'll report or not based on their own merits, not because you told them to. Nobody should report others because someone else told them to regardless.

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Great Muta1 votes

Then it also raises the question of whether various report categories count separately or all lumped together, which we don't know the answer to. Presumably, 1 Verbal + 1 Negative + 1 AFK report all stack together meaning you could get banned for one thing instead of consistent things. But people like me always report for verbal and negative due to not being clear on the differences. As I always say, the lack of clarity on rules is one of Riots biggest issues.

Asking for reports doesn't seem very dangerous to me. I've yet to see a good post showing someone getting banned only for that. Most people don't even know this is not allowed as Riot never released an official statement in game, just on board posts.

SrbLud2 votes

What evidence do you have to backup this story... You gave us none... Why should people believe some random guy online...

Unless you give us your logs or a red confirms your story you're just gonna get flame here. Either you have no experience on the boards regarding permanent bans, or you're just trolling. Either way good luck...

Great Muta1 votes

What evidence do I have towards what? My evidence towards asking for reports being successful are three instances where it happened and it worked.

Kei1431 votes

maybe you were toxic in the first place, thus asking for reports just validates the reports.

nothing says that "if you ask for reports, your report will be ignored". we just always say "asking for reports is counted as harassment against you"

Dolasaur2 votes

So how does this argue that "asking for reports isn't successful"?

You didn't put forth any evidence there's a causal relationship either. So there's not really a reason for anyone to give a counterargument. You said you have three examples; you actually have 0. Why? Because as far as you know, only 1 person (not 2-9) reported you in each of those three games. You have no way to tell.

If your argument was "it sucks to have people asking other people to report", then I'd totally agree with you. That's based on feelings and human interaction, and chat is evidence of that.

But the automated ban system doesn't care how many times people say "report this person". It only cares how valid the 1-or-more reports were.

This is weak circumstantial evidence at best. It's closer to saying "about 6 months after it's really hot, it gets really cold. Therefore, it gets really cold because it gets hot." That's not true; they are both caused by the revolution of the earth about the sun and other environmental factors such as latitude. In your case, it's likely that two effects (getting banned and having people say in chat that they should group report your) are both caused by a single factor (you being toxic).

Let me know once you've hacked Riot's report system and can actually count the number of people that reported you per game, and once you hack people's brains so you can determine that they wouldn't have reported you if other people didn't pester them about it.

Great Muta1 votes

No, I have 3 examples, not 0. I'm pretty sure the 4 people asking for my report put there's in.

I've been all for Riot being more transparent about how the behavior system and fixing some of the issues, but they just aren't interested.

Riot kind of begs people to "break the rules" by not actually clearly explaining what the rules are.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

You have no game on sejuani

Great Muta1 votes

70% winrate on her. Try again.

ShinkoMinori2 votes

not today not recently either. Not last month either.

Great Muta1 votes

I think you are jelly. I can coach you...if you pay me.

ShinkoMinori2 votes

More likely you are lying with this whole thread.

Great Muta1 votes

Babe is jelly hehe XD Mwah mwah hehe

Kei1431 votes

Isn't the "Great Muta" permabanned?

His games are on an alt account.

Great Muta1 votes

Nope, but I hit my ranked goal. No reason to play on until the season ends.

Kei1431 votes

hurry up and leave already

Great Muta1 votes

I'm going to stay now to annoy you babe. You'll be seeing a lot of me in your future. Ask Jorenice about me ;) I need to put him on my Christmas card mailing list with how close we've gotten.

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