Solution for permabanned players

GamblerOfLives·Dec 22, 2015·4 votes·2,318 views

I don't like the system giving out perma bans..it's not ok and will never be ok.

I suggest this.The player that got a permaban, if he can make the players who got him banned,take back their reports( they are part of the comunity and they should decide this) Riot should listen to their case and atleast give them a chance at redemption. According to Riot, they listen to the comunity.Why not make it so?If my report got someone banned, i would love the option to give the guy another chance( if he asks for it), so Riot can then make a decision regarding his ban.Taking into account that the players that reported him, gave him another chance, Riot should atleast give him a trial by fire:)

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KorilloDec 22, 20158 votes

You don't need a solution when there is no problem, permanent bans are permanent :).

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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You don't need a solution when there is no problem, permanent bans are permanent :).

it's not permanent( if u whant to be technicall about it)..it last around 100-200 years:))..so, basicly you are asking to get the account back sooner:)))

KorilloDec 22, 20154 votes

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it's not permanent( if u whant to be technicall about it)..it last around 100-200 years:))..so, basicly you are asking to get the account back sooner:)))

True, that seems reasonable. See, no solution required as you will get it back one day.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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True, that seems reasonable. See, no solution required as you will get it back one day.

:)))

Maybe, just maybe, i will get bitten by a vampire and the company lasts 200 years:)))..only then. I live in Romania, so, going to Vlad Tepes(bran castel) it's not too far:)))

KorilloDec 22, 20151 votes

You're probably better off just making a new account though. 200 years, it could probably be even better than your original account by the time you get it back!

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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You're probably better off just making a new account though. 200 years, it could probably be even better than your original account by the time you get it back!

Yeah,

Fck, i'm stupid:)))

Guess, we need my ideea:)

KorilloDec 22, 20153 votes

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Yeah,

Fck, i'm stupid:)))

Guess, we need my ideea:)

Naw, we don't need your idea. Everyone already gets another chance by being able to create a new account. No need to give them back their originals at all.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Maximum MordeDec 22, 20157 votes

Umm he/she got banned, that was the solution.

Camba4everDec 22, 20152 votes

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Umm he/she got banned, that was the solution.

Exactly!

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Makior72Dec 22, 20153 votes

Perma banned players have been banned permanently BECAUSE so many people have reported them and they have been warned on numerous occasions that what they are doing will lead to a perma ban eventually. It is their own fault they cant (or wont) behave in a manner the community deems appropriate.

Regarding the actual idea you had for a player potentially taking back their report, if i logged on one day and got a pop up saying something to the effect of 'your report helped get x player perma banned and he is really really sorry' with an option to take back the report or proceed with the ban, i would click ban 100% of the time and i am fairly certain most people would.

Not to mention that by presenting me with the option to remove my report so they don't get perma banned riot would be breaking their own policy on giving out disiplinary actions taken against an account. (yea currently we sometimes get a popup saying someone has been disciplined but we do not currently know what level of discipline they receive. Where as with this system you know it is a perma ban immediately)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20152 votes

Its an interesting idea for sure. I don't think any kind of apology addresses the reason that perma bans are used in the first place. Which is that riot believes they will continue the negative behavior.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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Its an interesting idea for sure. I don't think any kind of apology addresses the reason that perma bans are used in the first place. Which is that riot believes they will continue the negative behavior.

It's not you decision to make it:) they are the only ones who can decide this.If they can forgive him or not.And this can have an impact in Riots eyes

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20153 votes

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It's not you decision to make it:) they are the only ones who can decide this.If they can forgive him or not.And this can have an impact in Riots eyes

My point is forgiveness doesn't really speak to them changing their behavior. The reason they use permanent bans at all is because they think someone will continue their negative behavior. If that wasn't the case then they wouldn't have used the perma ban in the first place. I don't see how an apology changes that.

Who exactly would need to accept the apologies though? Just the people from the last game? Everyone from all games that lead to the final punishment? Or ever valid report against them? Does everyone have to accept it or just a certain number or percentage?

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20153 votes

So only those who reported him in his last game get to decide. What about every player before that reported him for the same crap that led to all of the progressive punishments? Does everyone get a say?

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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So only those who reported him in his last game get to decide. What about every player before that reported him for the same crap that led to all of the progressive punishments? Does everyone get a say?

Well, i don;t have all the details, but the last game, after you have a 14 day suspension.The last game that permabans you, if the people there decide to forgive you, Riot should consider if you are worth a redemption or not.Threw a trial by fire:)..

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20153 votes

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Well, i don;t have all the details, but the last game, after you have a 14 day suspension.The last game that permabans you, if the people there decide to forgive you, Riot should consider if you are worth a redemption or not.Threw a trial by fire:)..

Why only those people? Why not everyone that had validated reports against them? The last games worth of reports is likely only a drop in the bucket.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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Why only those people? Why not everyone that had validated reports against them? The last games worth of reports is likely only a drop in the bucket.

It should be something thats realistic..not impossible:).That's why the last one should matter.The other ones are too old to count,bcs people would not remeber those games and bcs there would be alot of them:). Ultimately, if it should involve other players from past games, Riot should make a poll asking if the player deserves redemption or not.the poll should also include if you whant to vote or not:)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20151 votes

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It should be something thats realistic..not impossible:).That's why the last one should matter.The other ones are too old to count,bcs people would not remeber those games and bcs there would be alot of them:). Ultimately, if it should involve other players from past games, Riot should make a poll asking if the player deserves redemption or not.the poll should also include if you whant to vote or not:)

I just don't see finding a reason to give perma banned players another chance to be worthy of the resources. If Riot wanted to give them yet another chance then they could just do that. That would be way cheaper and easier. How often are people going to vote to give them another chance and what percentage of those are going to reoffend and end up re perma banned anyway.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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I just don't see finding a reason to give perma banned players another chance to be worthy of the resources. If Riot wanted to give them yet another chance then they could just do that. That would be way cheaper and easier. How often are people going to vote to give them another chance and what percentage of those are going to reoffend and end up re perma banned anyway.

it's not exactly another chance, since your have to go threw this long process to regain your account:) and it's not even certain that you will regain it. But this way,the comunity has something to say about the player we whant to have or not in ower games:). Comunity should decide if someone is worthy of this and Riot decides based on this and on the accusation brought to this guy:)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20152 votes

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it's not exactly another chance, since your have to go threw this long process to regain your account:) and it's not even certain that you will regain it. But this way,the comunity has something to say about the player we whant to have or not in ower games:). Comunity should decide if someone is worthy of this and Riot decides based on this and on the accusation brought to this guy:)

They already had that say when they reported them.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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They already had that say when they reported them.

No, bcs the player is influenced in that game.Riot decides if they are ban worthy or not.this way, the player's not influenced by the game and can have a non influenced opinion about that player:)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20151 votes

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No, bcs the player is influenced in that game.Riot decides if they are ban worthy or not.this way, the player's not influenced by the game and can have a non influenced opinion about that player:)

Not really sure what you are trying to say here. Influenced by what?

Riot ultimately decides if something is worthy of a punishment but if the player who reported didn't also think the behavior was punish worthy then they wouldn't have reported them in the first place.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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Not really sure what you are trying to say here. Influenced by what?

Riot ultimately decides if something is worthy of a punishment but if the player who reported didn't also think the behavior was punish worthy then they wouldn't have reported them in the first place.

People report for all kind of reasons. No ganks-reported, lost the game-reported etc. Riot system filters those reports( they have a super-badass system) and they ban the players that actually flame:)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20151 votes

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People report for all kind of reasons. No ganks-reported, lost the game-reported etc. Riot system filters those reports( they have a super-badass system) and they ban the players that actually flame:)

I thought we already established that the "vote" would only go out to valid reports. So those reports wouldn't have a vote anyway. But even in the case of reports riot deemed false, those people still voted already by reporting.

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20151 votes

Gambler, I think Almonds is trying to say that the people in the accused's last game are going to still be harboring the strongest bitter feelings, and therefore the vote would be a complete waste of time.

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20151 votes

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Gambler, I think Almonds is trying to say that the people in the accused's last game are going to still be harboring the strongest bitter feelings, and therefore the vote would be a complete waste of time.

That wasn't exactly what I was going for but that is probably also true.

What I am saying is that the report itself is effectively voting to punish them. So having a vote later after the person is punished to see if you think they should be punished is redundant.

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20151 votes

You are correct. A report is effectively a vote. Having a different voting environment after all parties have had time to cool down may provide a different outcome. If the player has an opportunity to apologize and make a case to each player as to why he/she should not be perma-banned, I would at least be willing to give a different system a shot. Both players would be shown the chat logs that led to the ban as well, so all the information would be in front of them when writing the apology as well as voting. Some my feel they overreacted in a stressful situation, but the banned person is going to have to sit and read what he said to each of these people, and some of it may be very difficult to apologize for, but it needs to be done regardless.

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20151 votes

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You are correct. A report is effectively a vote. Having a different voting environment after all parties have had time to cool down may provide a different outcome. If the player has an opportunity to apologize and make a case to each player as to why he/she should not be perma-banned, I would at least be willing to give a different system a shot. Both players would be shown the chat logs that led to the ban as well, so all the information would be in front of them when writing the apology as well as voting. Some my feel they overreacted in a stressful situation, but the banned person is going to have to sit and read what he said to each of these people, and some of it may be very difficult to apologize for, but it needs to be done regardless.

Perma bans are used because those players are unlikely to change their behavior at that point. So with that in mind, let me ask you this. Do you think this apology processes would cause a significant portion of those players to actually change?

Because if its not helping improve them then excusing an instance of bad behavior isn't going to do anything more than just allow them to continue negatively impacting players.

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20151 votes

I think it could improve their behavior to sit and have to read what they said to each and every person who justly reported them. At the very least, if their behavior returned, the vote failed or they accepted their punishment, they would be banned without the possibility of a retrial, as I discussed earlier, and their board account will be removed as well reducing the amount of clutter on this board for people with real issues/tips.

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20151 votes

False. If a person wants their account back badly enough, I want them to write an apology to every single person they ever were reported for toxic behavior by (no apologies to false reporters based on Riot's system). Then, all the players involved will have an option to vote. The voters will see the chat logs from the games they reported the offender as long as Riot's records for the situation haven't yet been erased of that particular log, and a players account may not be retrieved more than once in this way. They need to show they are committed to keeping their account as well as being committed to reform their ways.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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False. If a person wants their account back badly enough, I want them to write an apology to every single person they ever were reported for toxic behavior by (no apologies to false reporters based on Riot's system). Then, all the players involved will have an option to vote. The voters will see the chat logs from the games they reported the offender as long as Riot's records for the situation haven't yet been erased of that particular log, and a players account may not be retrieved more than once in this way. They need to show they are committed to keeping their account as well as being committed to reform their ways.

I completely agree.I only had the ideea, not the details.didn;t whant to make it impossible.But, with Riots helps, the proccess should be smooth:)..And after that,Riot can take into consideration this and they can decide this:)

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20151 votes

I don't think it would be impossible to do this. It would be a long tedious process for the player, but again, if hes committed to reform he will take the time to do this. Furthermore, if a player declines to go through the reform process, is unable to satisfy the vote, or has the account banned a second time, they are removed from the boards as well so they can't come here to plead again and everyone can officially consider the case closed.

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20151 votes

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False. If a person wants their account back badly enough, I want them to write an apology to every single person they ever were reported for toxic behavior by (no apologies to false reporters based on Riot's system). Then, all the players involved will have an option to vote. The voters will see the chat logs from the games they reported the offender as long as Riot's records for the situation haven't yet been erased of that particular log, and a players account may not be retrieved more than once in this way. They need to show they are committed to keeping their account as well as being committed to reform their ways.

What requirement would you have for the vote to pass?

KingWanahakalugiDec 22, 20151 votes

I'd say 66-75% yes vote. somewhere in that range.

OrganicTDec 22, 20151 votes

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Its an interesting idea for sure. I don't think any kind of apology addresses the reason that perma bans are used in the first place. Which is that riot believes they will continue the negative behavior.

Its à good idea, assuming perma ban doesnt solve anything as it make people more angry, and they waste money on Riot Games and get no Payback. Something need to be done.

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20152 votes

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Its à good idea, assuming perma ban doesnt solve anything as it make people more angry, and they waste money on Riot Games and get no Payback. Something need to be done.

I think its a good effort to come up with something. But I haven't seen anything to even come close to convince me that this will do anything other than let people negatively impact however more games until they get re perma banned. Perma banned players have gone through the paces of the system they have either been very bad or frequently bad. Riot knows the percentages of people that reoffend, that is why we have the 4 strike system.

I also suspect that very few people would actually get voted to be reinstated which would make the whole thing a waste of time anyway.

6th GodDec 22, 20152 votes

I hate to say it, but there is a system of escalating penalties that take place before a perma ban. The system looks like this:

Warning 1 Day Suspension 3 Day Suspension 7 Day Suspension 14 Day Suspension Perma Ban

Thats 5 chances you get to improve before the ban hammer swings. I think that is plenty of chances to clean up your act. If you don't take the warnings seriously that is your problem and no one elses.

RawDec 23, 20152 votes

"Yeah, let's make a smurf and harass that fucker until he take back his report" -Permaban Logic http://www.auplod.com/u/uopadl6d63e.png

AJStarhikerDec 22, 20151 votes

Back in the S1/2 range, they tried the Level 20 challenge. Some players were given the chance to get their permabanned account back if they could level an account from 1-20 without getting punished.

There were no successes (at least, none that I remember hearing about) and they ended the challenge.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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Back in the S1/2 range, they tried the Level 20 challenge. Some players were given the chance to get their permabanned account back if they could level an account from 1-20 without getting punished.

There were no successes (at least, none that I remember hearing about) and they ended the challenge.

I didn;t know that.I don;t imagine alot of players will get unbanned,But, they have a chance at redemption:)

AJStarhikerDec 22, 20152 votes

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I didn;t know that.I don;t imagine alot of players will get unbanned,But, they have a chance at redemption:)

Maybe, but Riot decided they would rather not drive away new players by sanctioning players who had already gotten banned. And the players that did attempt the challenge were handpicked because Riot thought they had a chance at making it.

6th GodDec 22, 20153 votes

I think only 5 or 6 people actually completed the challenge and was never punished again. This was out of thousands of players that took it. Riot decided to end the program, because all the players that are legit new players had to put up with all the toxicity from the massive amount of failures and they were probably losing customers because of it.

LeBraum James GGDec 22, 20151 votes

Let's just go back to reality for a second here. This is League of Legends Community. Everyone in this community is an a-hole in some way, shape, or form. No one will forgive you. They would actually get a kick out of it seeing that they got someone's time and hard earned money (or their parents in most cases since this is such a childishly moderated game appealing to the under 14 age crowd) thrown out the window.

Not one person from this community would rescind their vote to ban.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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Let's just go back to reality for a second here. This is League of Legends Community. Everyone in this community is an a-hole in some way, shape, or form. No one will forgive you. They would actually get a kick out of it seeing that they got someone's time and hard earned money (or their parents in most cases since this is such a childishly moderated game appealing to the under 14 age crowd) thrown out the window.

Not one person from this community would rescind their vote to ban.

Not everybody thinks like you,i might excuse someone:)I had a game where i had 2 top, but i manage to carry.Those 2 top flamed each other all game long.I didn;t report them, bcs i didn;t care:) Everybody has their own opinion.It would be nice to respect it:)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20152 votes

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Not everybody thinks like you,i might excuse someone:)I had a game where i had 2 top, but i manage to carry.Those 2 top flamed each other all game long.I didn;t report them, bcs i didn;t care:) Everybody has their own opinion.It would be nice to respect it:)

If you find yourself wanting to undo your reports then you should take more time to consider if you want to report someone before you report them.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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If you find yourself wanting to undo your reports then you should take more time to consider if you want to report someone before you report them.

As i said.People report for all kind of reason.My opinion about the system,is that it helps the player vent out their frustration after a game:)..that's why reporting someone is super easy,just click 1 button:). The system that Riot made, filters the reports and gets the legit reports:).And boom, someone gets banned:).Basicly, Riot bans people, based on their system:)

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20152 votes

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As i said.People report for all kind of reason.My opinion about the system,is that it helps the player vent out their frustration after a game:)..that's why reporting someone is super easy,just click 1 button:). The system that Riot made, filters the reports and gets the legit reports:).And boom, someone gets banned:).Basicly, Riot bans people, based on their system:)

If no one reported them then none of that would have happened. So they already voted. If you don't want certain people to be punished, don't report them. While some people may use reporting to vent their frustration, that is their own issue. That is not what it is there for.

GamblerOfLivesDec 22, 20151 votes

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If no one reported them then none of that would have happened. So they already voted. If you don't want certain people to be punished, don't report them. While some people may use reporting to vent their frustration, that is their own issue. That is not what it is there for.

As i said.People report for all kind of reasons.Riot system makes the difference between bad and good reports:).

The report function is there for people to use.Some use it wrongfully, some use it rightfully.My opinion is that is there to vent of frustration from a game:).You don;t agree with me.It's fine

Assuming the system works as intended, people that get banned deserve the ban.Ban= the coumunity doesn;t whant them. If the banned people ask the comunity for a second chance and they agree with him.Riot should take this into consideration. Why?

Riot brags itself as a company that tried to attend to the comunity needs.If the comunity whant them back(or some of them) Riot should take another look at that case:)

Simple right?

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20152 votes

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As i said.People report for all kind of reasons.Riot system makes the difference between bad and good reports:).

The report function is there for people to use.Some use it wrongfully, some use it rightfully.My opinion is that is there to vent of frustration from a game:).You don;t agree with me.It's fine

Assuming the system works as intended, people that get banned deserve the ban.Ban= the coumunity doesn;t whant them. If the banned people ask the comunity for a second chance and they agree with him.Riot should take this into consideration. Why?

Riot brags itself as a company that tried to attend to the comunity needs.If the comunity whant them back(or some of them) Riot should take another look at that case:)

Simple right?

Those "all kinds of reasons" don't matter because only the valid reports are counted. So your report lead to the system determining it was a valid report and they were punished based on that valid report. That is the community deciding that they should be removed(reporting) AND riot agreeing(they were actually punished).

I don't really think this is a bad idea. I just think the people it aims to benefit are not worth the cost. For one, I don't want to have to reaffirm my reports. so there better be an auto vote no option. It would cost resources to develop the system which would take away from other things. I don't think many people would actually get their punishments overturned through this method and a significant portion of the ones who do are going to reoffend anyway, which is why they were perma banned in the first place.

All of that for what exactly? The few perma banned players who would reform at this point but didn't with any of the other punishments they received?

I think we have kinda come to the end of the road here. I feel like we are just going in circles now. So I think I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree. I gotta jump in the shower so ill check back in like 30ish if you have something new to add.