Don't even bother with Clash.

The Bad Touch·May 27, 2018·2 votes·1,644 views

Clash being limited to people with 4 active friends of the correct roles and similar skill who have the same play hours and are also honor 2 or above...

That's a good .1% of the player base.

Frankly why bother with something so few people would use anyway?

Hell after your money scheme of making it impossible to get back from honor 0 so you sell more keys who cares?

300 games after hitting honor 0 I hit... honor zero stage 1.... Followed by a 10 game chat restriction for flaming.... LEAVERS.

The leavers weren't actually punished btw. I know because in both cases I reported them. But I was for flaming people that weren't even in the game... lol

14 Comments

ChermorgMay 27, 20187 votes

Given the number of people I know who made teams, it's safe to say that there were well over 100,000 players in the Clash Beta, if not over a million.

Your inability to avoid being toxic does not mean the community as a whole can't. In fact, less than 20% of players ever get a chat restriction - much less multiple.

It's also not impossible to get back from honor 0 - multiple people (including one I know) have done it in less than a month (up to level 2 again). But, given that you seem to have not changed your behavior, and still have a "me vs them must get them punished" mentality, yes, it seems appropriate you aren't climbing honor. The way to get your honor back is to stop being dishonorable.

The Bad TouchMay 27, 20182 votes

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Given the number of people I know who made teams, it's safe to say that there were well over 100,000 players in the Clash Beta, if not over a million.

Your inability to avoid being toxic does not mean the community as a whole can't. In fact, less than 20% of players ever get a chat restriction - much less multiple.

It's also not impossible to get back from honor 0 - multiple people (including one I know) have done it in less than a month (up to level 2 again). But, given that you seem to have not changed your behavior, and still have a "me vs them must get them punished" mentality, yes, it seems appropriate you aren't climbing honor. The way to get your honor back is to stop being dishonorable.

More like the way to get honor back is be a kiss ass.

ChermorgMay 27, 20185 votes

No, not at all.

You just have to not be a jerk. You can be neutral and only use chat for neutral buff-calls etc. and you will still regain honor at a decent rate.

The only way to have it slowed down to take 300+ games and over a month is if you're being validly reported still for behaving poorly.

fixating30May 27, 20181 votes

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No, not at all.

You just have to not be a jerk. You can be neutral and only use chat for neutral buff-calls etc. and you will still regain honor at a decent rate.

The only way to have it slowed down to take 300+ games and over a month is if you're being validly reported still for behaving poorly.

disagree being neutral your honor will go up very slowly, not 300 game slow but prolly about atleast 150 to get honor 1 and another 50 to get honor 2 by just being neutral. u need to say dumb shit like gj or nice play and also get ppl to honor u at end game. when your playing solo q ranked getting honors unless you hard carry is not the easiest. you basically have to go play aram to boost your honor, the whole honor system is garbage and was kinda silly to put that as prerequisite for clash where by simple fact that you get to choose your teammates theres very little toxicity.

ChermorgMay 27, 20183 votes

I really don't have a nice way to say this, but you say you disagree, but then you agree with me that it usually wouldn't take more than 200 games (about 6 weeks of normal play for many people, maybe at most 2 months) to get back to honor 2 after a punishment even if you're barely talking.

I will agree with you that being polite and nice in chat does speed up your honor.

fixating30May 27, 20181 votes

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I really don't have a nice way to say this, but you say you disagree, but then you agree with me that it usually wouldn't take more than 200 games (about 6 weeks of normal play for many people, maybe at most 2 months) to get back to honor 2 after a punishment even if you're barely talking.

I will agree with you that being polite and nice in chat does speed up your honor.

I wouldn't say I agreed with u. you were making seem like if u just stay quiet you will be back to honor 2 in no time. 200 games or 2 months is a long time way to long for someone who is not being toxic. the only part I was agreeing with u with is that 300+ was not a correct estimate. my point was that honor system of leveling from 0 to 1 is very punishing for someone who isn't being toxic and even more so if your playing ranked solo games because of how less frequently you will receive honor. and that you shouldn't have to be polite and nice to speed it up just being quiet should be enough.

ChermorgMay 27, 20181 votes

It isn't punishing to those who aren't still being toxic. Many people who have fully reformed after a punishment gain back both levels (0-1 and 1-2) in less than a month, or about a month - even playing ranked solo.

Further, being quiet isn't showing honor. It's showing not being dishonorable, but it isn't showing honorable behavior.

Kei143May 27, 20183 votes

Sounds like someone is salty for getting punished.

PhieldworkerMay 27, 20183 votes

How do you get honor 0?! You start off at lvl 2. It sounds like you need to just mute people that’s bug you.

The Bad TouchMay 27, 20182 votes

You know 100,000 people? I call bullshit.

Umbral RegentMay 27, 20184 votes

It's more believable than 0.1% (are we talking a tenth or a hundredth? Or, rather - 0.10 or 0.01?) of the playerbase (which numbers well into the millions) playing Clash - or being eligible to play Clash.

'Cause, guess what - not everyone is dishonorable. There are a good lump some of people who haven't ever gotten punished.

The Bad TouchMay 27, 20182 votes

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It's more believable than 0.1% (are we talking a tenth or a hundredth? Or, rather - 0.10 or 0.01?) of the playerbase (which numbers well into the millions) playing Clash - or being eligible to play Clash.

'Cause, guess what - not everyone is dishonorable. There are a good lump some of people who haven't ever gotten punished.

You seem to have not even read my post.

There were a lot of other conditions I listed bub.

5 friends similar elo same play times all honor 2 plus roles that work together

That's a very small portion of the player base.

Regardless of "Hey I know 5 people.

Guess what if 10,000 people post on this thread disagreeing with my post.. you "MIGHT" have a point.

Flex queue isn't even popular and it's MUCH less strict on it's requirement.

Ranked teams died because no one played it.

Umbral RegentMay 27, 20184 votes

Or, I may have decided that your other conditions were moot, because they hardly affect anyone who's actually interested in getting into Clash.

...people with 4 active friends of the correct roles and similar skill...

You don't need to have 4 active friends - you don't even need to have friends, for that matter. You can recruit players you aren't otherwise friends with to group up for Clash. They have a whole board dedicated to it.
Correct roles also isn't an issue, as, again, team recruitment is easy, especially if you find particularly flexible players. Having people who excel in at least two roles can be a godsend, especially if they're great in more than two roles. And those kinds of people aren't hard to find, at all.
Again, similar skill isn't hard to find. Just look to recruit people in your Ranked bracket - if you're Gold, look for Golds. If you're Silver, look for Silvers. It's easy.

Those conditions don't matter, as they're secondary conditions.

...who have the same play hours...

This, while a primary condition, is still not worth considering. Clash is very, very heavily forewarned in advance, giving people who want to play it a full week to fix their schedules so that they can play Clash - and potentially find time to practice beforehand.

Which means, the only primary condition you listed that matters in the slightest for this discussion, is Honor.

...and are also honor 2 or above...

And since Honor is the only valid condition to judge the Clash-eligible playerbase by... "0.1%" is wildly inaccurate, to put it lightly.

Regardless, even with the other conditions, allow me to reiterate that the League playerbase numbers in the millions. Millions upon millions of players. Surely, there's got to be plenty of people above Honor 2 for hundreds upon thousands of teams to be made with relative skill level and appropriate roles.

(besides, similar skill level isn't even a hard condition - you can team up with someone of a higher skill level, but that'll put you in a higher bracket than you might like.)

At the end of the day, saying there were well over 100k players in the Clash Beta would absolutely be more accurate to say there's only a tenth (or a hundredth) of the entire playerbase who is eligible to play Clash at all.

The Bad TouchMay 28, 20181 votes

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Or, I may have decided that your other conditions were moot, because they hardly affect anyone who's actually interested in getting into Clash.

You don't need to have 4 active friends - you don't even need to have friends, for that matter. You can recruit players you aren't otherwise friends with to group up for Clash. They have a whole board dedicated to it.

Correct roles also isn't an issue, as, again, team recruitment is easy, especially if you find particularly flexible players. Having people who excel in at least two roles can be a godsend, especially if they're great in more than two roles. And those kinds of people aren't hard to find, at all.

Again, similar skill isn't hard to find. Just look to recruit people in your Ranked bracket - if you're Gold, look for Golds. If you're Silver, look for Silvers. It's easy.

Those conditions don't matter, as they're secondary conditions.

This, while a primary condition, is still not worth considering. Clash is very, very heavily forewarned in advance, giving people who want to play it a full week to fix their schedules so that they can play Clash - and potentially find time to practice beforehand.

Which means, the only primary condition you listed that matters in the slightest for this discussion, is Honor.

And since Honor is the only valid condition to judge the Clash-eligible playerbase by... "0.1%" is wildly inaccurate, to put it lightly.

Regardless, even with the other conditions, allow me to reiterate that the League playerbase numbers in the millions. Millions upon millions of players. Surely, there's got to be plenty of people above Honor 2 for hundreds upon thousands of teams to be made with relative skill level and appropriate roles.

(besides, similar skill level isn't even a hard condition - you can team up with someone of a higher skill level, but that'll put you in a higher bracket than you might like.)

At the end of the day, saying there were well over 100k players in the Clash Beta would absolutely be more accurate to say there's only a tenth (or a hundredth) of the entire playerbase who is eligible to play Clash at all.