PSA: Toxic/griefing/feeding team made me become toxic, so why am I banned/suspended and they arent?

MadMad Sickness··10 votes·1,854 views

If like this and would like to reference it, feel free to do this. Also, feel free to reference the other thread about losing your rights to your purchases.


Anyway, I'm seeing a complacent mentality alot and it's troubling. The truth of the matter is, that if you are caught saying something offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise, and someone reports you for it you will be punished and disciplined regardless of the trigger of that behavior. The belief that because the community or that particular game is toxic, that it then makes it OK to be toxic IS complete complacency and your security in feeling this way is completely false.

I've been posting this around because it happens so frequently, and it applies just as frequently... terms of use: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse


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16.6. If I violate this Agreement and Riot does nothing for a long time, does that mean im off the hook? (No. We reserve all of our rights.)

Riot Games' failure to enforce any provision of this Agreement shall in no way be construed to be a present or future waiver of such provision, nor in any way affect the right of any party to enforce each and every such provision thereafter. Any waiver by Riot Games of any provision, condition or requirement of this Agreement shall not constitute a waiver of any future obligation to comply with such provision, condition or requirement.

Even if your behavior was not caught until now, or your behavior was triggered by another person's behavior: you are not justified. Riot's ability to enforce their rules is independent of their actual enforcement of the rules. Because you yourself were caught, riot has already reserved the right to punish you even if they havn't punished you before for that behavior and even if they are unable to punish others for the same behavior, as you yourself were caught "red-handed". Believing that a behavior is OK simply because it goes largely unnoticed to a certain point does not make it OK.

The use of certain comments are considered offenses that are grounds enough for disciplinary action. It doesn't matter if you weigh your own comments differently then other people, you will be disciplined based on what Riot deems to be unacceptable behavior because they have reserved the right already: regardless of whether they are morally in the right or wrong.


If you actively complain about the toxicity level of the game: you should be actively working to decrease the toxicity of the game instead of contributing to it. You are not justified if you offend someone, they report you, and you are banned because of the things you say. Even if the other individual receives no punishment for their own actions.

If you use terms that you have used before or that another individual has used before, without being punished, and were subsequently punished for using those terms: you do it at your own risk. Certain terms have absolutely no place in this game: you should not tell people to commit suicide for absolutely any reason, you should not call people derogatory/racial slurs for any reason, you should not be verbally abusive for any reason. If you do and are reported, then you will be disciplined justly and accordingly.


Make a habit of muting and reporting; if you do not see those individuals words then they cannot affect you. If you report them then they will be inspected for wrong doing, and it may add to the case against them. If the individual threatens to report you or incites others to report you falsely, then that is also an offense and is grounds enough to report/mute. DO NOT get sucked into negative behavior. DO make the best out of those situations, report and move on.

Riot does look at these cases unless the program autonomously finds key phrases for an automated punishment (obvious slurs, derogatory terms, etc as they have 0% tolerance for that language). The system cannot flag them if you do not report them.

And at the end of a bad game, you can ALWAYS just que up again and play again. No one game, nor any one person is worth you losing your right to continually play the game. It is not worth making all the investments you've put into the game worthless.

So, just remember...

Take steps to reform your own behavior, and guard yourself from being pulled into negative attitude that will inevitably push you into going on tilt. This system depends entirely on you, the players, to step up the responsibility for the toxicity of the community: because YOU ARE the community.

19 Comments

Chermorg6 votes

I expected a post describing why your punishment was invalid. I was pleasantly surprised.

You summed up the issue quite well. I'd just recommend changing the title to reflect that you're discussing the mentality, so it doesn't look like you have that mentality.

MadMad Sickness3 votes

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I expected a post describing why your punishment was invalid. I was pleasantly surprised.

You summed up the issue quite well. I'd just recommend changing the title to reflect that you're discussing the mentality, so it doesn't look like you have that mentality.

good point and ty vm. I put PSA for "public service announcement". I think that should be enough of an indication

Shadowynn2 votes

Riot Enforcer,

Can you also write a post about: 'I got perma banned, I spent countless hours of my life and a lot of money, I should at least get my money back'. I see these types of QQ threads a lot too.

Break it down for the sad few who need some schoolin.

RESPEKT

MadMad Sickness2 votes

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Riot Enforcer,

Can you also write a post about: 'I got perma banned, I spent countless hours of my life and a lot of money, I should at least get my money back'. I see these types of QQ threads a lot too.

RESPECT

Yeah, thats actually a good one. I was planning on doing something similar. Anyway the deal with this is that the property of the game is Riot's property and we are just basically leased the content. They have already reserved the rights to delete our accounts if they want to, and remove our access to the content that we have basically only paid to "borrow" from them lol.

Shadowynn2 votes

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Yeah, thats actually a good one. I was planning on doing something similar. Anyway the deal with this is that the property of the game is Riot's property and we are just basically leased the content. They have already reserved the rights to delete our accounts if they want to, and remove our access to the content that we have basically only paid to "borrow" from them lol.

Keep up the good work!!

MadMad Sickness1 votes

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Keep up the good work!!

thanks!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Anyway, probs won't be done until later today or sometime tomorrow tho haha.

Modi3 votes

It is simply and plainly spelled out in the terms of use:

2.2. What happens if my account is terminated? (No LoL for you.) If your account is terminated, you’ll no longer have access to it, including any of the associated data or content (e.g., champions, skins, Riot Points, etc.). You’ll not be entitled to any refunds and we’ll have no liability to you. We also reserve the right to terminate any other accounts you may have created (also without any refunds or liability to you). You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately.

Stracony2 votes

I'm sorry but i think you glossed over the real point of interest in regards to this issue: How trolls/feeders/afk'ers/etc can go on without punishment but if you apparently say "GG EZ" then your worthy of a fast ban.

Im not toxic in games, i hardly ever communicate to my teams unless its pinging.... But getting banned for "GG EZ" is some deep BS considering how abusive the whole ranked spectrum is in regards to afk's/trolls/feeders.

MadMad Sickness1 votes

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I'm sorry but i think you glossed over the real point of interest in regards to this issue: How trolls/feeders/afk'ers/etc can go on without punishment but if you apparently say "GG EZ" then your worthy of a fast ban.

Im not toxic in games, i hardly ever communicate to my teams unless its pinging.... But getting banned for "GG EZ" is some deep BS considering how abusive the whole ranked spectrum is in regards to afk's/trolls/feeders.

In terms of "trollers" or "feeders", that is based on your own personal perspective. One person may believe they have a viable strategy while another person may not think that the strategy is viable. You may label this person a "troll" but as long as the person is actually trying his hardest to contribute to every fight and win the game then they aren'0t really "trolling". And if they're strategy fails, you may then label them a "feeder" as well. And that's not fair, when the reality may be that they are just having a bad game. It just goes to show that the line can get skewed and some people are trolls, while others aren't. But, the reality is that actual trolls are very, very few in number and there are so many in your own games because you are actively creating them to due to your own negative behavior and are blaming them for your bad experiences: even it's mostly your fault for creating them.

Now, if you decide to flame people who you consider "trollers" or "feeders", whether that person flames you back doesn't matter. If you are reported and caught, you will receive punishment that is entirely justified. You should not flame your team for any reason.

As for AFK'ers, they will be punished accordingly. Just report the game, you don't have to feed into any sort of negativity. But if you do decide to, and you are caught, your punishment is justified.

Now, for your example of "gg ez". If you have been toxic continually and have been actively undermining your team, then that one instance where you say GG EZ may have been enough to push you over the brink of getting banned.

If you get banned for saying GG EZ... Its the "the straw that broke the camel's back" scenario. You (or any person for that matter) entirely still deserve whatever punishment you have received because you have continually been toxic and consecutive marks against you have made you worthy and deserving of it. When you first receive a 14 day ban, you should take it seriously and reform your behavior instead of trying to justify yourself.

Kiriaye1 votes

If thats the case One person may believe they have a viable strategy while another person may not think that the strategy is viable. You may label this person a "troll" but as long as the person is actually trying his hardest to contribute to every fight and win the game then they aren'0t really "trolling". Then how come the singed smite supp almost got perm banned?

MadMad Sickness2 votes

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If thats the case One person may believe they have a viable strategy while another person may not think that the strategy is viable. You may label this person a "troll" but as long as the person is actually trying his hardest to contribute to every fight and win the game then they aren'0t really "trolling". Then how come the singed smite supp almost got perm banned?

In depends on how he was behaving. If he was being inflammatory or responding in an inflammatory manor while being a smite supp, those things could have been what triggered his permas.

People like to pick and choose while avoiding context to show something that may not be necessarily true. Correlation doesn't always mean causation. DID YOU KNOW, that the decline of pirates correlates with the increase of green house gasses and global warming...

its true.

https://donhillson.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/graph.jpg

By this data you can argue that the decline of pirates is the reason for global warming and we should institute more laws that encourage pirating to decrease the effects of global warming.

Shadowynn1 votes

[darius-angry]

THE RIOT ENFORCER STRIKES AGAIN.

HEED HIS WORDS FOR THEY ARE THE LAW.

AND HE IS THE LAW.

MrNutterButter1 votes

no ones taking the time to read ur novel bud

MadMad Sickness3 votes

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no ones taking the time to read ur novel bud

If they're banned they are LOL. That's usually enough motivation. Also, if its here I may just reference this in the future instead of typing out long responses that are usually the same: over and over again.

Liquid Poro 1 votes

That is a lie I spend a good time reading this.

Uniwhale1 votes

Stop bitching and complaining about it. Riot games understands that there are some games and some people lose their cool during some games. People like Tyler1, repeftitively did it and eventually got perma banned. If it's you that thinks it's a problem and others dont, try muting that player. It helps

yeulx1 votes

Little does uniwhale know Muting someone doesnt help because the system can be abused

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