As a jungler, I'm getting really tired & sick of your complains/excuses

BeatzBoyFTW·11/26/2014, 5:10:04 PM·11 votes·2,367 views

There are always many stupid & obnoxious factors that I keep encountering in many of my jungling games, so I'm gonna list them out here:

1) Not leashing for me

The common classics everyone always encounter. This is mostly coming from a top/bot laners who can't just borrow me 3 seconds of their time to weaken it down, then they will have all the time glory they want in-lane. This is getting r%%%%%ed that you kept requesting me to help your lane when you didn't even helped me at the beginning at all. If you didn't leash for me and request for ganks, I will gank, but not in my best mode, cause I gotta make a fast blunt gank just to quickly catch up my missing exps from recalling from solo blue/red/golem/grump camps too soon.

2) You asks for ganks, then you went all-out 1v1 & die

I don't get it. You pinged me for a gank, and I said I'm coming, and then you have that humongous cockiness to try to 1v1 a lane opponent who you knew you can't even beat til the point that you desperately needed my help, and dies pointlessly, and you still got the audacity to type all-chat that "My jungler sucks omg, report him pls, tq". You, are just a freaking r%%%%%, and yes, I'm sorry I don't have 10000 movement speed or as Kassadin to quickly rush to your lane.

3) Constantly blames me for dying at a pure 2v2 fights, bot lane of course

For this, maybe I can say I'm partly to blame. But honestly, you shouldn't have such high hopes on your jungler. I only come around time to time to try taking on buffed monsters while ganking a fking fed Katarina, while you guys at bot can't even manage to kill off a Ashe Sona bot when I swore the enemy jungler never even touched your lane. Of course I didn't gank bot cause of all the OP wards enemy placed, but I'm just here to give enemy lane pressure, not win your lane. I come, they spotted me, they back off, and that's good. You already have more time to cs before they manage to get back on their feet after I left. You die again to a 2v2 fight, thats all on you, not me.

Ok, that's not many. I meant to say "heavily" stupid & obnoxious complains.

15 Comments

Drunk Rummate11/26/2014, 6:24:29 PM8 votes

leashing for a jungler can make a difficult matchup nigh impossible. the person who gets the early shove on the first wave is guaranteed level 2 first. level 2 first often means complete lane control for the first 3-5 waves of CS which sets you back a lot in gold in a rough matchup. leashing also means your jungler starts on your side of the map, and conveniently ends his farm route on the other side. this means no ganks for you until after first recall, so tough luck on that rough start in lane.

junglers often forget that they're in the strategic role on the team, rather than the mechanical role. since they're not constantly interacting with an opponent, their job is to watch the map and determine the best strategic decision based on what's going on. if you don't want to gank my lane, fine. i'll suffer, maybe lose lane. that's your decision. just make sure it's the right one, because if i'm getting ganked and losing lane as a result of the 1v2 and you arent snowballing advantages elsewhere, then you aren't doing your job as a jungler and you shouldn't be playing the role.

the way you talk it sounds like you treat the jungle as a "me" role. it's not. jungling is a "we" role. Sometimes not leashing and having your jungler miss out on some farm is the right decision for "we." Especially if their aggressive potential is low in the early game relative to the opponent.

Stephenizgod11/26/2014, 6:48:41 PM4 votes

When im Top lane i usually dont leash, because whenever i do i either leave to get CS only for the jungler to almost die and blame me for crappy leash or i stay too long and end up getting out leveled. A lot of people start the rock things/frog thing which means im the only one who can leash (Mid would need to run all the way from top lane to mid lane) so im usually the only one effected by it, other then the jungler.

If im constantly getting ganked and the junger isnt 1) counterganking, 2) counterjungling, 3) snowballing other lanes, 4) taking dragon, or 5) doing anything of value then yea im going to get mad at you, obviously the other jungler is finding time to gank and jungle i think you should adapt your strategy to help me.

If i horribly lost lane, do not come top to gank anymore it probably wont work. Too many times the enemy is like 4/0 and the jungler is finally like "ok im gankin top" only for him to 2v1 us and get a double plus double buffs... and apparently its my fault he didnt gank at all even though i was pushed to the turret all game and had a pink ward in the river or tribush so they didnt have wards. Like i said, im fine with losing lane as long as you helped out other lanes or at least got an objective, if you didnt then yes it is entirely your fault i lost lane. I cant fight 2v1 and i cant fight someone who is fed, specially if im the one feeding them lol.

So while i understand its not fair to blame jungler for losing lane, if you lost 1v1 or 2v2 then you got beat by someone better stop your whining. When im constantly getting ganked and dived at my turret it isnt my fault for losing lane, maybe you should have come help me.

Guy Fox Teemo11/26/2014, 7:33:35 PM3 votes

Actually its 100% always your fault for losing you lane (Unless some other laner comes and feeds yours) no matter what it is always your fault you shouldn't get behind in the first place if you dont want to lose. You can NEVER blame the jungle even for a second if you lost your lane even if the other jungle is camping you. Doesn't matter either if its a 2v1 top lane never blame the jungle they are there for pressuring lanes or securing objectives like dragon and map pressure. Ganking is just because there nice of to take some of there time to stop farming get a bit behind in lvls and farm to help someone else who is already behind.

Eleshakai11/26/2014, 6:32:04 PM2 votes

Wow...

Remember how you treated your laners the next time you get invaded and die and the laners didn't roam fast enough to help... we're really sorry btw.

Pvt Yong Tai11/27/2014, 12:21:29 AM2 votes

I just do without leashes. Allows my laners to get the opportunity jump on a level 2 lead.

Of course, I'm jungling Warwick and Master Yi, but by starting double golems or frog (smite) gives you enough to last yourself in the jungle for a while.

I usually take double golem (smite), red, frog (smite), blue, wolves, birds, double golem (smite), recall.
If you're having trouble I suggest trying frog (smite), wolves, red (smite), recall. That will usually get you enough for your first jungle item upgrade (350g), maybe along with a vision ward or something. And from there you'll have an easier time.
(NOTE: smite frog immediately to get the poison effect. Smite red when you're somewhat low to get the 20% max HP back from smiting it. Buy trailblazer upgrade for the sustain and you should be A-Okay from there)

If you're STILL having trouble, reconsider your masteries and runes. I highly suggest taking the minion damage reduction + spiked armor masteries in the defense tree. Those 3 points alone help a huge amount.

Aaaand I realize my post ended up having very little to do with the topic at hand. Oh well, more info can't hurt.

Cadfan11/27/2014, 3:57:22 AM1 votes

My pet peeve as a jungler- please don't over commit to ganks. If both of my bot laners are at 40% hp and our opponents are at 100% hp, I can sweep in and maybe strip off some of their health and even things up, but I'm not going to do it if I think you're going to go all in and die.

DrKessler11/26/2014, 5:45:50 PM1 votes
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kiwi killerz11/27/2014, 5:36:06 AM1 votes

You also have junglers like me. In the beginning of every game. I post that i will gank at 6 and solo dragon at 8. I need no leash and if you want help fast. Drop a ward where the enemie cant see. I will teleport and be there fast.

Calintz656511/26/2014, 6:26:20 PM1 votes

Isn't this more of a "I hate whiny bot laners thread"?

Navarune11/26/2014, 10:22:57 PM1 votes

There seems to be some misconception about junglers now that used to exist for supports: this idea that a jungler has zero responsibility early-mid outside of feeding his laning allies. I understand (as a support main) the pressure this places on current junglers, and I appreciate those of you who take the time out to help the rest of us see that you have more to do than just gank and win lanes for your teammates. So since this misconception exists, let's take a look at what a jungler does do.

FARM Yes, just like ADC and mid, junglers need gold to be effective, though possibly to a lesser extent depending on his role on the team (tank, dps, support). This means he needs to nom on some jungle creeps, hopefully sustaining himself somewhat towards mid game. Some junglers need more farm than others, so his other objectives may have to wait a bit before he becomes effective. This point needs to be observed and/or communicated very early on so that everyone understands why he has only ganked twice before 6:00. Others can clear a couple camps then better direct their attentions elsewhere, such as...

COUNTER-JUNGLING The counter tactic to farming, stealing your opponents camps. You can also find duelists seeking out a fight with the enemy jungler in this capacity, particularly if sufficient vision is maintained [NOTE: supports, getting a ward on the enemy bot-side buff (blue buff if you are on blue side, red buff if you're on red side) early on helps tremendously]. Think of it like this: in lane, you can try to zone your opponent out of CS range, denying his ability to farm. Counter-jungling is a jungler's method of accomplishing this same feat. Sometimes it's better for a jungler to steal his opponents camps rather than try to counter-gank, and laners should be mindful of this, i.e. inform your jungler if you are being camped top so he can steal the bot-side buff.

BUFF MANAGEMENT Let me get this out there: both buffs always belong to your jungler. Blue does not automatically belong to the mana-dependent mid/top, Red doesn't necessarily belong to the ADC mid game. These are his creeps, just like top lane minions belong to top and mid lane minions belong to mid. If he is pinging to share a buff, then communicate with him as soon as safely possible whether or not you want it and move when you can towards that camp. Don't expect to always receive the buff, and don't always expect to continue receiving buffs once you do get one. It is a jungler's responsibility to track both his own and his enemy's jungle buffs, and he should know when to try a buff steal vs. gank, counter-jungle, or farm.

GANK Sure, ganks are a part of what junglers do, but they may not always accomplish exactly what you want. However, just because you didn't secure a kill doesn't mean the gank was a failure. Did you get summoner spell expenditures from your enemy? Success, and may lead to a kill later. Did you force your opponent to back? Success, free farm and push to their tower if you can to deny them farm. Did you draw the attention of the enemy jungler? Relative success, now your ally laners can be more aggressive. Ganks can secure a safe Dragon kill, jungle invade, and of course, tower as well. Successful ganks don't always mean a kill secured, and in fact if you fail to do something besides just kill the enemy and back, then the gank isn't as successful as it should be.

OBJECTIVES SECURITY Here is where the jungler's endgame lies. Securing Dragon and/or Baron gives his team a tangible advantage, both in combat stats and in gold. If he is moving towards Dragon (and isn't a post- lvl 6 Nasus or Shaco), start heading that way too from mid/bot. Every jungler should have Dragon and Baron at the top of his priority list, as these are his greatest responsibilities on the team. That means he may be in the Dragon pit when top lane gets ganked, or pinging like crazy to do Baron after a successful 3-for-1 teamfight.

In my opinion, the jungler has more tactical "irons in the fire" than any other position. He has so much to consider with every step he makes on the Rift and has a ton of responsibility throughout the duration of a match. I'm not dismissing any other position's tactical responsibilities by any means, but it is so easy to forget that at any given point in a match, the jungler must be thinking 2-3 minutes ahead at least, if he wants to be successful.

So in honor of the U.S. holiday Thanksgiving, thank a jungler today!

TAYL0R SWIFT11/26/2014, 10:40:45 PM1 votes

Let's say you get a leash and your top laner is behind a level that means you should be going top to get him caught up. BUT WAIT if your top laner doesn't leash and is still behind well there's only one solution to that and is to gank lanes. Obviously he is being outplayed and if they start bitching for k/s or taking creeps there is a mute button for a reason. With what is being said I feel you, I think too many fucking people try to put the team on their back. If I play Udyr and I'm power farming and top pings for help while I'm near botlane I will say on my way, but back off, but if they keep going in and die, well I did my part I let them know and they took it upon themselves to die. Then I will mute them and I continue to play my part in the game. Just remember you can't fix stupid.

Mecha MaIphite11/26/2014, 10:58:02 PM1 votes

Just played with a Gnar a while back who thought it was our 5/1/3 Lee was at fault for him losing lane, after he kept overextending on the Riven he had fed.

Our lee got me and bot fed, so Gnar decided it would be a good idea to teleport to the other lanes and feed our opponents to the point that I could barely kill their TF anymore as Zed.