Warned for believing being gay is bad.

MagicOfLight·Oct 15, 2014·10 votes·1,814 views

I was recently reported by my entire team because I do not believe that being gay is ok. I am entitled to my beliefs, as is everyone. Its not that I hate them and I even explained my position to these people. I was called a homophobic and an ignorant bigot multiple times. I understand that some people are how they are, but me not agreeing with their life choice does not keep me from being friends with them, and never has.

I just want it on the record, that I disagreed with my team mates over that issue, and was reported and warned by riot with a pop up. Hating me for disagreeing is like trying to make me hate them back.

68 Comments

Hyrum GraffOct 15, 20149 votes

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. You are not entitled to make someone else feel like shit for being gay, regardless of whether it's a choice or how people are born. That's called being toxic.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20143 votes

I didnt make them feel like shit, too many people are assuming things about this incident. I just told them what i believed, nothing more. And I only said it once. They repeatedly called me homophobic and bigot just because of my beliefs. I have gay friends who know what i believe, and we get along just fine.

DaenOct 15, 20141 votes

I just told them what i believed, nothing more. And I only said it once.

What was it you said, in as specific terms as you can muster? Why did you feel the need to say it regardless?

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

I said something was gay, thats it, and they said "Using gay as an insult in 2014 wow" or something like that. I did not mean to offend the gays i may have been playing with but it is quite common to use the word gay. I see it in many many games, just these few people decided to make a big deal out of it and report me, its not like i started it, they were the ones who made a big deal out of using the word gay.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

And i did tell them i did not mean to offend, but they persisted.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

I did tell them I have gay friends too, but they persisted.

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes

...

There are no words.

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes

"Go kill yourself with a shovel I hate you and will always hate you"

"but no offense"

Saying "I didn't mean to offend" means absolutely nothing when attached to a comment that is clearly something people can take as offensive.

Lord OwlBearOct 15, 20145 votes

Many people from the LGBT community find the word offensive to be used in that context. Saying it negatively towards something only helps remind them of much of the hate that they have to and had to suffer through to be happy. Some random guy comes in and says "gay" they get upset and he/she proceeds to tell them they don't approve of their lifestyle? Guy really?

DaenOct 15, 20143 votes

I said something was gay, thats it

Ah. I understand now.

it is quite common to use the word gay. I see it in many many games, just these few people decided to make a big deal out of it and report me, its not like i started it, they were the ones who made a big deal out of using the word gay.

This is just my opinion, but using gay as an insult makes you look really ignorant. There are countless other words you can use to describe a situation that are infinitely more creative and less prone to being taken as an offense, and I'm not surprised your teammates judged you for that.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

Yeah i understand where they were comming from, but they took the opportunity to troll me and hate on me so far so fast, Im not gonna lie to them about what i believe when they ask, but if they didnt want to know they should not have asked. I will be more careful in the future, because i dont want to offend anyone, especially considering i have many close friends who are gay, If I ever offended them they never said so.

More or less it comes down to I got trolled, yet again.

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes

I will be more careful in the future, because i dont want to offend anyone

I would recommend that, yes.

More or less it comes down to I got trolled, yet again.

...no. No you didn't. You used a term that can be easily construed as negative then fueled the fire by continuing to talk about the issue in a negative way.

That's not you being trolled; that's you not being tactful.

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 15, 20143 votes

I said something was gay, thats it, and they said "Using gay as an insult in 2014 wow" or something like that. I did not mean to offend the gays i may have been playing with but it is quite common to use the word gay. I see it in many many games, just these few people decided to make a big deal out of it and report me, its not like i started it, they were the ones who made a big deal out of using the word gay.

One of my friends is like that on Facebook. I still say use the word gay like that to mess with him. He's straight, but he hates the word being used like that. I say it again to mess with him, and another usually tells him to get over it. lol. I honestly don't care for the whole "You shouldn't use the word gay like that" thing at all. Especially if there's no gay person around taking offense to it. If they're all straight/bisexual/asexual, then to me, I don't care and they can just deal with it. =P

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20142 votes

Exactly man, I dont see whats the big deal about it. They are just causing problems to be toxic.

Hyrum GraffOct 15, 20142 votes

You're right, I was making assumptions. I guess without logs, it's difficult to tell whether what you said should be considered toxic or not.

Agent2090Oct 15, 20144 votes

Well, that's taking it a bit far. Just as you have a right to your beliefs, they have a right to theirs, even if their belief is that you should be reported.

Now if you're banned as a result, then it's a problem, but an appeal shouldn't be too difficult to win (once again, this is assuming you aren't actually insulting them, I can't see the chat logs, so I don't know).

HalloweenDeathOct 15, 20143 votes

While i do agree you shouldn't be reported you shouldn't be argueing about that shit on a game when you're suppose to be focusing on the game. Free speech belongs on forums, video sites, blogs, etc. Not needed in a video game solo based around winning. Also, you are a bigot. PS, don't complain about being insulted when your calling a big population of the world who can't fix what they are that they are doing something wrong. Do you know what that does to people. Imagine being born with no hair or something(I have no imagination) and everyone hates you for that. You can't fix that problem and everyone will hate you for it for no reason.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20143 votes

I dont hate anybody, dont put words in my mouth, and dont label me a bigot based on what i believe. Its a religious belief, I do not hate them because of their lifestyles, i have gay friends. I do not want to get into this discussion on these forums, based on this community it will just turn into a flame thread. I have said my peace about the game, nuff said.

Deep Terror NamiOct 15, 20142 votes

So basically you don't want to hate them, but your religion tells you to so you have to? Do you not see that your religion is clearly immoral by definition because of this? I think you need to reevaluate what kind of things you follow without question.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20143 votes

I think you need to read the entire thread and all my comments to other people before you make assumptions to what i believe and think.

So basically you don't want to hate them, but your religion tells you to so you have to? Do you not see that your religion is clearly immoral by definition because of this? I think you need to reevaluate what kind of things you follow without question.

I said i dont hate them, you are just flaming my thread now. Please stop.

Agent2090Oct 15, 20142 votes

Well, it's not really a "life choice", but you are allowed to have your own beliefs. If anything, they should be warned for insulting you multiple times, especially if you didn't speak in an aggressive manner.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming that you didn't saying things in an insulting way.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

I dont know why they decided to report me based on what i believe. Its really ridiculous, and it is a violation of my constitutional right to keep my beliefs.

Poptart EvelynnOct 15, 20143 votes

Btw, you're allowed to talk all you want, doesn't mean we have to allow you in our games too. Just fyi, you have no actual rights on your account.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

Freedom of speech if its not against the summoners code.

Lord OwlBearOct 15, 20143 votes

I'm going to have to say I (to a point) agree with your team mates. As watered down as your message could ever be its still a message of intolerance, and your opinion has no place on the rift. Keep your rhetoric to yourself, and you wont get the backlash.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

So people arent allowed to voice any opinions about anything on the rift, got it.

DaenOct 15, 20143 votes

People aren't allowed to voice any opinions about racial or sexual intolerance on the rift. Veeeery different.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

Im not being intolerant, I just stated my beliefs on it. I have gay friends, again, i have gay friends.

Being intolerant would be badgering them about not being gay anymore, saying i dont think its right, is nothing more than an opinion. And they were voicing their opinions as well, it has nothing to do with tolerance, it has everything to do with manners.

DaenOct 15, 20141 votes

I have gay friends, again, i have gay friends.

You realize how meaningless a statement this is, right?

Being intolerant would be

anything that is the opposite of tolerant.

Lord OwlBearOct 15, 20141 votes

I have to agree with Daen. "I have gay friends" its a non-argument irrelevant to this conversation, great for them to have the patience and forethought not to judge someone for being intolerant.

in·tol·er·ant adjective -rənt\

: not willing to allow or accept something

: not willing to allow some people to have equality, freedom, or other social rights

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes

Being outwardly homophobic is specifically against the Summoner's Code. I'm not sure what you expect us to say here...

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

So because i believe it is wrong? I am discriminated against? Is that what you're telling me? Being homophobic is not the same thing as thinking it is wrong. Homophobes are the ones who do hate crimes and stuff like that.

DaenOct 15, 20141 votes

Homophobes are, by definition, people that possess an unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality. The definition includes anyone that feels this way, regardless of how they choose to show it.

Poptart EvelynnOct 15, 20142 votes

ToS states you can be banned at any time for any reason or no reason at all also.

DaenOct 15, 20146 votes

a violation of my constitutional right to keep my beliefs.

...what. Constitutional rights do not apply within a video game community; if Riot (and by extension, the community) believes players should act a certain way, that is the rule. If my belief is that eating babies is awesome and I start talking about how great they taste, it is not a violation of anything for Riot to punish me for discussing it in their ecosystem.

How did the topic of homosexuality even come up? There is no reason whatsoever to even bother talking about it, let alone trying to argue for your beliefs with random people you will probably never see again.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20142 votes

Well i follow the summoners code, there is just too much toxicity in the community, its part of the reason i didnt play any normal pvp games for like a year. Iv never been suspended or banned for anything anywhere in any game ever. Its just people love to hate collectively, its part of human nature. I hate the haters :)

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes

Well i follow the summoners code, there is just too much toxicity in the community, its part of the reason i didnt play any normal pvp games for like a year.

Again: ...what.

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 15, 20141 votes

How did the topic of homosexuality even come up? There is no reason whatsoever to even bother talking about it, let alone trying to argue for your beliefs with random people you will probably never see again.

^I was wondering the exact same thing. That's just so random. Unless someone was like "Hey, guys. Just so you know, I'm gay" at the start of match or something.

ChimeiTekinaNasuOct 15, 20142 votes

Okay, first of all. How was that even brought up in conversation???? Like...what?? Did you just randomly say "I don't believe being gay is okay", "Okay. Reported"?? Did someone say they were gay, or did someone ask if you were gay?? I don't randomly go into a match saying "I don't believe Nasus is a good champion". So like...how was that even in brought up in conversation to begin with for them to start hating on you so much

Deep Terror NamiOct 15, 20142 votes

My belief is that liking vanilla cake over chocolate is wrong. I know they can't help it, but I disagree with them. It's too bad they're going to burn in a lake of fire for it. I have friends who like plain white cake, don't get me wrong, but they're sinners and will regret it.

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20143 votes

My belief is that liking vanilla cake over chocolate is wrong. I know they can't help it, but I disagree with them. It's too bad they're going to burn in a lake of fire for it. I have friends who like plain white cake, don't get me wrong, but they're sinners and will regret it.

Every belief should be respected. I respect them, and deserve the same consideration in return. If a gay guy told me "you're so straight" I wouldnt take offense to it.

AuryielOct 15, 20142 votes

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MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

My belief is that liking vanilla cake over chocolate is wrong. I know they can't help it, but I disagree with them. It's too bad they're going to burn in a lake of fire for it. I have friends who like plain white cake, don't get me wrong, but they're sinners and will regret it.

Every belief should be respected. I respect them, and deserve the same consideration in return. If a gay guy told me "you're so straight" I wouldnt take offense to it.

You're a complete and utter idiot. There's no stigma attached to being straight. That's the difference.

Or maybe it means something, who is to say, they could use straight as a derrogitory term to intolerance if they wanted to.

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes

they could use straight as a derrogitory term to intolerance if they wanted to.

So in other words you are aware that using "gay" in that context can be a derogatory term for intolerance and do it anyway.

Deep Terror NamiOct 15, 20141 votes

Why should every belief be respected? That's just an excuse to believe in nonsense for no reason, and to get offended when people try to tell you why you're wrong. *No belief should be immune to criticism. If they were, then we'd still be in the Dark Ages because people were allowed to believe in completely idiotic things like a flat/young earth or curses causing disease. * Criticising everything is how we learn if it's wrong or not.

Mikal PikalOct 15, 20142 votes

My belief is that liking vanilla cake over chocolate is wrong. I know they can't help it, but I disagree with them. It's too bad they're going to burn in a lake of fire for it. I have friends who like plain white cake, don't get me wrong, but they're sinners and will regret it.

Every belief should be respected. I respect them, and deserve the same consideration in return. If a gay guy told me "you're so straight" I wouldnt take offense to it.

I completely disagree that "every belief should be respected." Just because you are free to have any belief you want, doesn't mean that some beliefs do not deserve my respect. For example, I find your belief that homosexuality is somehow objectively immoral to be absurd. I would likewise not respect the beliefs of a skinhead or KKK member that thinks white people are better than blacks and jews. Do you respect the belief of Hitler, that a certain Arian race are superior and the rest should be cleansed?

There are countless beliefs that deserve my scorn and disrespect. As for getting reported, I would not report anyone for calling something 'gay' once or twice, but I can see how that, coupled with further comments about how you think gays deserve to burn in hell eternity (I assume you didn't say this explicitly, but it is implied in your religious beliefs) could lead some to file a report.

Keep your religious beliefs to yourself when you aren't 100% sure of the audience.

Poptart EvelynnOct 15, 20141 votes

Alright, just a quick run down of what you did that was wrong. You are allowed to have opinions but you are not allowed to use your opinions in an abusive manor. If you just jump out and say "I hate gay people", you're just being a dick.

Why did you even bring up such a topic in the first place?

MagicOfLightOct 15, 20141 votes

I didnt just jump out and do that no. I only bring up the topic because I know I am allowed to believe what i believe, and they were abusive to me about it, and most reported me. They even told the enemy team to report me for being homophobic "im 100% serious" I could say much more about it but im keeping my opinions to myself about this. I just want people to know, especially riot so they dont give me a suspension based on a few idiots.

DaenOct 15, 20142 votes