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Ranked and Individual performance.

MagicOfLight·5/16/2015, 4:05:59 AM·3 votes·2,410 views

Ok, So we have individual rankings based on our scores in game now. Everything counts because I got an S- as Blitz support when i was making plays everywhere. So, that being said. Why is ranked and normal mmr still based solely on win/loss? There is no reason you cant tally up kills/deaths/assists/damage taken/damage dealt to champions/healing done.

The fact that you are only 20% of your team, yet the teams performance dictates your MMR is not fair to people who play well and have bad luck and get matched with bad players alot. People who wont ward, group for objectives, defend base, dont call mia or ping anything.

People will be matched with other players around their skill level if you take their individual skill into account. It seems to me its based on pure luck if you win or lose. Will your team actually pick a tank? Will your mid feed hard? Will top lane bring ignite and ignore their team the entire game? These things and many many more just show me that unless you are willing to play yourself to death that you cannot reach an MMR that is appropriate to your skill level.

Its also unfair that for champion master you only get LOTS of points on a win. If you get an S- and get 200, but then get a C cause you got carried and get 1200...its just not fair. Its a team game and i understand that part of it, but when your team does not play like a team because they are too focused on themselves and not doing what they need to do. Then you suffer, your team suffers, and the enemy team gets opportunities to take all the objectives on the map. This is why I do not play ranked. This is why I am still matched with people who alot of times just are not skilled at the game at all, yet their MMR is around the same as mine because 80% of their team carries them to it. I do not have a high MMR, I believe its around 1300 or so, give or take, i see more golds than anything with some silvers and plats and even bronze sometimes. This is in normal games btw.

Its based on luck, if you get good teams you gain alot of MMR really fast. If you get afks and trolls, people who do everything wrong, then you lose MMR really fast. So no matter what, unless you play the game to death and have no life at all you never get to where you want to be.

For example, my girlfriend is silver 1 with 223 wins. Yet there is someone ranked above her with 6 wins. 6 wins...out of 14 games. Less than 50% win ratio, and is in silver 1. Yet my gf who plays ranked to death so her 20% contribution raises her MMR slowly is ranked in the same league as him??? She has 223/434 with 51.4% win ratio in silver 1, yet a 6/14 is ranked higher???

Straight up, the system is broken. Its all on win/loss rather than the actual things that matter. People can be worse players yet ranked higher with a lower win%. You introduced a ranking system for personal performance in games for champion mastery, please please do something to let that count for MMR as well. The community wants their individual performance to count for something other than just a ranking after the game that has no weight on MMR, Hardly anything on champion master, and being able to look at the graphs after the game and see how everyone did.

I told myself I would not come back to the boards because of all the flaming that goes on here. But I feel compelled to write this all and try to convince Riot to help seperate the community in the tiers they belong to, not only for the players who play thousands of games, but for the rest of people who dont play it for a job and dont like the stress of playing this game all the time.

77 Comments

BluePolarizer5/18/2015, 1:28:51 AM2 votes

You think you are way better than you actually are. If you have a job and a family I can't even begin to imagine what you think at your job and in your household. Holy fk the immaturity is real.

MagicOfLight5/16/2015, 4:37:24 AM1 votes

Another example for you Riot. This person is Challenger 1 and has only a 53% win ratio, has played about 1000 games also. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Aceirl Tell me why this person belongs in challenger with those stats. Its ridiculous that someone who has barely a Gold level win % is in challenger 1. If individual performance does not count, then why is this so Riot?

hh the thinker5/16/2015, 5:38:52 AM1 votes

someone wins lets say 10 games in bronze and wins them all and gets silver. they win 8 our of 10 in silver and then move to gold. they then win about 6 out of 10 games and get plat. once in plat, they win only about 50% and they play about 100 games there. it's going to be very close to 50%. it can then go up and down once in a way, unless you are at the top of the ranks.

MagicOfLight5/16/2015, 5:43:28 AM1 votes

Basically what im saying is, for people who play enough to get out of the elo hell player base, its all fine and dandy. But for those of us with some skills and knowledge of the game from watching pro games, listening to commentary, and learning from their mistakes, it makes it frustrating to know we have to play and play and play just to get to a level where we can feel like we are not the only ones actually trying to win the game.

MagicOfLight5/16/2015, 6:09:27 AM1 votes

Here are the facts. You are 20% of your team. If 2 of the enemy team come running at you, you run away, if you stay you die. Unless you are RIDICULOUSLY fed compared to them, which if your team is 80% tards, that is very very less likely to happen. Saying someone wins 90% of their bronze games?? Im sorry but ill believe it when i see it, because if you get a bad team and they get a good one, you are most likely gonna get roflstomped. 80% of your team is your team mates. You cant carry them hard if they refuse to work as a team. Its just how moba games work. 2v1 literally nearly always wins.

MagicOfLight5/16/2015, 6:20:37 AM1 votes

Also, my 1000 or so games i have played have been over the course of 4 years, and since i was the level i was able to play pvp at. So the MMR for me is not accurate at all to my actual current skill level, I do see higher ranked players more and more often now yes, but its so freeking slow, I play a few games at least almost every day. And I still am stuck with some idiots alot of times. I know i make mistakes to, but i learn from them...some people dont even realize they are making a mistake when they play jungle nautilus, and build rod of ages as a second item...and yes that happened in my last game.

MagicOfLight5/18/2015, 1:09:21 AM1 votes

I have heard people state "I didnt lose from bronze to gold one time" And honestly, if 1 person out of 3 million does that, that is not something you can go by to say the ranking system is fair and easy to climb if you have skill. With that kind of luck with matchmaking, you need to go to vegas seriously. I think I have gotten 2 10 win streaks in my entire time playing league. As the saying goes, even a blind squirrel gets a nut now and again. Im sure there are lots of people at low skill levels who have had huge win streaks, its 20% skill 80% luck remember. So 80% of those win streaks is luck. Math doesnt lie.

MagicOfLight5/18/2015, 6:05:56 AM1 votes

Actually no challenger has anywhere near a 67% win rate. And in Any tier its still depends on your 4 team mates, and the 5 against you. Any skilled player has a 20% better chance to win the game. If they can roam and get another player who does not play stupidly pretty fed, then that helps the team out alot. If you have not read any of this entire thread then dont even post on here. I dont need your toxic flaming. It was said earlier in this thread, that some challenger level players on smurfs have a hard time getting out of gold. It is fact man. 80% luck. Math doesnt lie. You cant control your team mates.

MagicOfLight5/18/2015, 6:09:40 AM1 votes

Also, how many times have you watched any high level player play solo q by themselves? They always bring a duo partner with skill who works well with them, giving them a much better chance at wins. Look at the normal mmr of Dyrus, one of the most skilled players in THE WORLD. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dyrus That normal average mmr for his normal game a month ago is 1756. I dunno what tier that would be in ranked but. I know he is more skilled than that. Normals have much much more less skilled players than ranked, and team builder is even worse than normal draft. Because people who just want to practice one champ, usually dont know the champ well enough to dominate their lane opponent. Its numbers man, dont argue with math, 2+2=4.

MagicOfLight5/18/2015, 7:00:24 PM1 votes

Also i want to share another example of how ranked is completely broken. This person has 109 wins 107 losses and is platinum 3 http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Cant%20Lane I just played a normal game with them, they were toxic, refused to group, constantly chasing kills and never protecting carries as gragas tank jungler, which was our only tank btw. 50% win ration in platinum 3, yet my gf who is far superior in win % and skill is still for the 2nd year in a row trying to claw her way out of silver.

MagicOfLight5/19/2015, 4:57:14 PM1 votes

You know, I played another one of my placement games as a solo q instead of queing with my girlfriend like i usually do. We had a blitz who brought teleport, so i assumed he was going top, someone picked yi as adc, cassiopia as top, and i picked braum as support to try to help yi since the comp was retarded. It was braum and blitz bot, vi jungle, yi mid, and cass top. The team had a smurf who was toxic, people would not group, our yi and vi would never join in on team fights, i ended up with the most kills on the team too as braum. I will never play ranked again, because the people you play with at low ranks are so retarded its not worth the stress.

Look at the comp http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1829052999/39496764?tab=overview look at the retarded team that these people put together, i was last pick so i picked to support yi with braums shield. I did the best i could out of this trashy situation, and 50% of games are like this.

MagicOfLight5/19/2015, 5:00:44 PM1 votes

It seems to me that there are so many smurfs from the aholes in mid rank that sabotage people trying to get placements and rank up. Because these kind of team comps should never happen in ranked...the fact that they do shows that it should not be based on just w/l

MagicOfLight5/19/2015, 6:29:39 PM1 votes

Bad things happen yes, but having to play 2 more games and hoping you get lucky and get teams that actually perform instead of griefing and causing it to be unwinnable for you is unacceptable to me. It is completely unfair, that i should have to play 1000 games to move up into higher tiers instead of just playing say 50 or 100 based on my individual performance. Its aggrivating to be matched with people who constantly ruin your games by trolling. I dont play this game for a living, and nor will i play enough to rank up to where i should probably be because of all the afks, trolls, toxic feeders. Its ridiculous and it needs fixed. The system how it is now only benefits people who play it every single day, and play it to death.

MagicOfLight5/19/2015, 7:35:09 PM1 votes

Ok I gave it one last try to get a decent ranked game for placements. And this is what i got http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1829111604/39496764?tab=stats as you can see, my entire team was feeding like crazy giving kills in lane with no jungler help. The ez was afk half the game. Just ridiculous that people who play SO BADLY affect MY ranking. And this will be my last ranked game until individual skill comes into play. Because honestly. Ranking me based on what this team did this game, and ignoring the fact that I tried my best and did not feed them super bad. Im done.

MagicOfLight5/16/2015, 4:21:20 AM1 votes

Another example http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=princessbblgum a 44% win ratio at Gold 3. Its just not right that someone like my gf who plays TONS more ranked games and has more than 7% more winning percentage is ranked in silver 1 while this person is in Gold 3.

Subject 55/19/2015, 8:11:07 PM1 votes

I'm trying to think of this thing called a something system where it compares skill levels l1ke bax to bax and sutff like that. Oh well, goin bak to watch tsm win more den 53% of dare games.