Play a game, have a nasus in the team. He never helps us, only stays top. He stood top 80% of the game farming.
He would do things like leave teamfights to go farm.
We barely win 4v5 cause we did our f*cking best.
The enemy team honors nasus and says we won because of him.
The community on EUNE at least is one of the most r%%%%%ed I ever seen in my whole gaming life
Ice Weasel X3 votes[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=tKVKZO5I,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-21T15:49:16.998+0000)
Play a game, have a nasus in the team. He never helps us, only stays top. He stood top 80% of the game farming.
He would do things like leave teamfights to go farm.
We barely win 4v5 cause we did our f*cking best.
The enemy team honors nasus and says we won because of him.
The community on EUNE at least is one of the most retarded I ever seen in my whole gaming life
http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1126468923/23455941?tab=overview Your Nasus took 5 towers, Baron, and 2 inhibitors. It looks like he was doing what most Nasus players do: farm stacks, crush structures. Split pushing doesn't always work, but it is a viable strategy. ZionSpartan famously did this with Nasus in the NA LCS 2014 Summer Split vs. TSM.
Leaving during a teamfight and completely avoiding groups to farm isn't a good thing, but spit-pushing Farmer Nasus is definitely viable.
WESTFALL1 votesOn paper it looks good, but in reality , he didn't want to get that first tower, i forced him to do so while he was furiously spaming pings for me not to.
He only wanted to stay top and farm.
He participated in 18 kills out of 50 does that seem normal to you ?
The towers you say he took were just because he has good damage on his q and last hits them better than any other champion, it doesn't mean that he single handedly took them . That was not split-pushing what he did
Not to mention that their inhibitors respawned like 3 times each because he didn't want to finish the game , he wanted to get stacks not push.
Why do you think I got zzrot for ? He wasn't pushing sh*t
And to adress your ZionSpartan example, yes split-pushing does work sometimes, when you have a team knowing what to do, but in SoloQ , trying to split-push is pretty much dumb
GnomeDigest2 votes[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=tKVKZO5I,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-03-21T16:32:41.638+0000)
And to adress your ZionSpartan example, yes split-pushing does work sometimes, when you have a team knowing what to do, but in SoloQ , trying to split-push is pretty much dumb
In solo que defending a split push is harder and takes more coordination that doing one.
WESTFALL1 votesTo split push you need the other 4 players to be able to defend objectives without dying, it's enough for one of them to die and the enemy team can push objectives faster than you would alone.
Easy logic
Konidias1 votes[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=tKVKZO5I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-21T16:59:21.527+0000)
To split push you need the other 4 players to be able to defend objectives without dying, it's enough for one of them to die and the enemy team can push objectives faster than you would alone.
Easy logic
Yeah I'm struggling to get people to understand split pushing and I'm Gold level...
9 times out of 10 I will split push, my team will just yell at me to group. I tell them "don't die, just keep the enemy interested in you" and then they get wiped and blame me for not being there... in the team fight they shouldn't have even been part of.
It's an extremely frustrating experience... especially when our team fight is weak and I'm making the best of it with a split push, and all my team wants me to do is group up so we can get aced.
Split pushing fails when the enemy team can just plow through your team so fast that you don't even get an opportunity to take anything. If I keep splitting when my team gets wiped, the enemy team takes double whatever I take... plus I have to see my team ALL chatting telling the enemy team to report me because I refuse to group.
I have even gone as far as to try to explain split pushing. "look dudes, I'm strong and I can 1v1 anything, they have to send at least 2 people to stop me. just group up and don't die and distract them long enough"
One game I had the team get wiped, I say "guys, stop dying don't fight them just distract them". Then after they've all respawned and the enemy is pushing a turret, my team just stands there and lets the enemy take it. I complain about it and my team responds "you told us not to fight".
**** facepalm* ***
WESTFALL1 votesWell that's my point but apparently people just like thumbing down without thinking about it .
But you gotta think rationally accept certain ugly truths.
In Solo Q , you will have really small chances to get 4 decent teammates that know what and how to do. It's enough to only have 1 baddie that gets caught while you split and it's all over.
Not only that, but even if people are decent, they may not agree with you split-pushing. You don't have to be hard-headed and always try to split-push.
It happened so many times to me. We were basically winning teamfights, getting objectives and everything and someone randomly decided that he wants to split . There was obviously no need or reason for him to do that, but he still wanted to do that and that usually cost us the game .
Just like in my example with that Nasus. We were basically winning 1v1's 2v2's 3v3's 4v4's and we would have obviously won 5v5's but he wanted to farm stacks and to make all 4 of his teammates do what he said a.k.a. waiting for him to get stacks instead of finishing the game.
What most of the people who try split-push don't understand is that you can't force 4 people to do what you want. And it's also not fair for them to have to change their play style according to what you want .
Konidias1 votes[{quoted}](name=Phantom Panther,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=tKVKZO5I,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-22T00:49:00.622+0000)
We were basically winning teamfights, getting objectives and everything and someone randomly decided that he wants to split . There was obviously no need or reason for him to do that, but he still wanted to do that and that usually cost us the game .
He had to have a reason... Maybe you didn't see it, but people don't just split push like that for no reason. If your team is winning team fights and getting objectives, nobody is going to just be like "well I better split push". Split pushing comes out of necessity.
What most of the people who try split-push don't understand is that you can't force 4 people to do what you want. And it's also not fair for them to have to change their play style according to what you want .
Is it fair to the person who thinks split pushing is the best choice? The problem at Silver/Gold level is that people are just stupid. I get situations where my team has really bad team fight comp vs a super strong team fight comp... The enemy has shown they want to group fight as often as possible... and my 4 other teammates decide our best chance of winning is to team fight. Like... I mean... I can't begin to describe how stupid that is. Under no circumstance am I going to group up with them. Even if it means they might get wiped and blame me. I'm going to do what is best for the team. Our best shot is if my team somehow manages to survive long enough for me to take an objective by split pushing.
The way I see it is if I group as 5, we lose 100%. If I split push, there is at least a SMALL chance we could win. That's all, really. I can't force them to do what I want, anymore than they can force me to do what they want. Every single person should get a say in what the team does... So if all 5 people cannot agree on something, then just make the best of it.
Just because 4 people want to group and I don't, doesn't mean I should just give in and group. Sure, it sounds nice in theory, but giving in to your team's stupid decisions is not going to win you games. You'll make them happy for 2 seconds and then when your team gets aced, they'll be complaining regardless. "you should have grouped earlier" or "you're useless". I KNOW I'm useless in team fights, that is the whole reason I wanted to split push!
Some people are just thick.
Distractivated2 votesMatch History: disproving facts since 2001
SEKAI1 votesThat's because he played him wrong.
Nasus is meant to be farming non-stop yes, but it's meant to be used later during the game where he can single-handedly crush the entire enemy team for not trying to stop his killing spree on minions.
Farming eternally without ever using the edge he had obtained is where he failed.
WESTFALL1 votesHe had 425 creeps in 56 minutes, now imagine how much of that time he spent farming.
I swear , some Nasus players never understand how to use that champion, they keep farming like the game lasts forever, they're never satisfied with their stacks