Mobafire drones everywhere.

WESTFALL·4/3/2015, 6:19:33 PM·13 votes·1,739 views

I'm tired of being flamed for starting with berzerkers on ad carries.

I have a really safe early play style in which i basically keep farming until i hit 6 or if they have a better comp until lane phase ends.

And item 3006 personally help me with farming better than getting early damage, not to mention that they help me escape better when facing ganks.

People seem to automatically assume that I'm a noob when doing this, and i bloody hate it.

When will people understand that it's not always a standard way to build a certain champion or role ?

42 Comments

S H A Y C 04/3/2015, 6:33:17 PM12 votes

personally..if you want some move speed and attack speed first, id get a zeal instead.

zeal +20% attack speed +10% critical strike chance +5% movement speed Item cost 1100g

Berserker's Greaves Stats +25% attack speed Passive UNIQUE - ENHANCED MOVEMENT: +45 movement speed Item cost 1000g

for 100 gold you can get attack speed, move speed and crit chance, which will essentially give you damage output and you will trade slightly better..plus it builds into a more effective item (shiv / phantom dancer)

Reason people are hard on you:

Boots arent considered a power spike of any kind - so you just spent 1000 gold to rush boots for no real power gain or advantage in lane.

You obviously feel thats not the case, so ignore them, but its not because of mobafire - its because they think you are building a 1k gold trinkit and trying to out trade a bf sword :-\

IcyPepper4/3/2015, 6:22:07 PM7 votes

Sure, you won't win trades as easily, but:

  1. You get more attack speed, and therefore less likely to miss last-hitting minions if you estimate the damage correctly.

  2. You have more movement speed, therefore have a slightly higher chance of escaping ganks and positioning properly.

  3. Can build a straight damage item next if you aren't a botrk-reliant champion.

I know what you're saying man, people can build and play differently. There's no "right" way to play, even with the adc class.

Hell, I buy cinderhulk and build full tank on Vi, or build botrk AND bt on Jinx on occasion.

Krigjer4/3/2015, 6:55:22 PM7 votes

Rushing boots is fine if you're not trying to trade.

As a support main, I'm getting really sick of watching my adc die, go back to buy boots because it's all they can afford, and continue to keep trading, asking why they're losing lane so hard. So yeah, I'm going to be upset with you initially when you buy tier 2 boots first, because I've seen too many idiots to trust you.

Cronofuge4/3/2015, 8:19:05 PM3 votes

Alright I hear ya, I really do. When I started playing my first champion was Kog'maw. Playing the "don't die" game was my thing as well as being safe in teamfights. Back in those days though I think you rushed wriggles for better farming, it was a different time.

BUT I soon realized that my safe play was more of a hindrance than anything, my passive no-trade playstyle meant that although I didn't die, I never won lane, which may sound like the point but sometimes that's not enough. To contest their slightly ahead mid or top laner sometimes you need to win lane. In later teamfights securing my own safety meant I was sacrificing DPS for better positining and losing fights but never knowing why.

Now I'm not gonna say to 180 your playstyle, that would be foolish and mean. BUT consider modifying that playstyle to include trading and different builds. You can keep rushing those beserker greaves and farming til lategame, but while you do study your opponents moves so you can figure out a way to trade because while not losing lane is nice, winning in kills and cs can do a lot for you and your team.

One more thing that building that early AD as opposed to AS gives you is lane presence, which can be a big thing. You'd be amazed at how much cs you can secure by throwing your weight around and intimidating your opponent from contesting you, you can get your own cs while denying your opponent theirs with proper trades.

One last thing is I have to ask which champions you do this on. On Caitlyn, and Ashe I find earlier boots actually pretty good because you can poke in and out of your opponents range and zone them out. I wouldn't recommend doing this on AD scaling heavy ADCs like Graves or Lucian.

thinking man4/3/2015, 7:53:35 PM3 votes

rushing bgreaves sucks anyways though

Auryiel4/3/2015, 8:12:58 PM2 votes

People are hard on you for a reason

Your build is ineffective.

I personally wouldn't say anything if I saw this happening in game, but seriously, dude, educate yourself. What you're doing is not efficient. You should strive to improve, not keep doing the same thing over and over again when it is obviously not a good thing to do.

Jefftiffy4/3/2015, 8:04:03 PM2 votes

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I'm tired of being flamed for starting with berzerkers on ad carries.

I have a really safe early play style in which i basically keep farming until i hit 6 or if they have a better comp until lane phase ends.

And item 3006 personally help me with farming better than getting early damage, not to mention that they help me escape better when facing ganks.

People seem to automatically assume that I'm a noob when doing this, and i bloody hate it.

When will people understand that it's not always a standard way to build a certain champion or role ?

When will you get a postive win rate on an ADC. Obviously your build doesn't work. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/20348972#ranked-stats

Not a single ADC with even a 50% WR. Even ones with around 20 games played. And you are in gold 2.

IDC if you don't die. You could be jerking off on the fountain for your team being toxic. If you had a good KDA it would be one thing. But you don't. You do not have a average of 3/4/5 deaths. That is lies stop trying to preach to the choir when you don't even have the stats to back it up.

Player of Games4/4/2015, 12:16:58 AM2 votes

If I'm laning against an ADC an they rush Greaves, and I come back with a Pickaxe/Double Dorans or even a BF, expect them to get perma-zoned from farm. I think it's a rather dumb choice because it severely delays your main build, and while you have some extra speed, the enemy BF Sword Lucian is 100-50'ing you with a Q-E combo.

Safer farm you say? Nope, I'll just freeze the wave, if you want some CS prepare to get chunked.

ButtersBBG4/4/2015, 1:27:34 AM2 votes

You shouldn't rush boots because you aren't gonna get stronger than your laning opponent unless you're playing Vayne, Twitch, Kalista, etc. because they have stacks that deal damage too and the faster they stack the better. But, even then there's better early game items to achieve the same thing, but stronger. I mean, you're not gonna be able to control your lane if you build boots first on a lane bully, it's just not a good buy vs the damage you need to control your lane. I'm not going to assume you're a "noob" as you put it, but more of a "newb" which is the opposite and describes a player still learning the ropes and gaining experience. Which is more likely to assume you aren't too good at positioning yourself to break free from potential ganks and trade well, etc. Basically, you aren't playing safe enough if you need to buy early run speed to avoid early game ganks, or bad trades.

AxlStream4/3/2015, 11:58:29 PM2 votes

I hope to play against you in ranked then. I'll FORCE you to trade with me. Your boots won't help against fighting a laner that will effectively zone you out. I've put many ADCs behind simply by going BF Sword first and just hitting people whenever they come close to the minion wave. 5 minutes later, I have a 20 CS lead, have my IE completed and took your tower down. But hey, I guess towers are overrated too.

ActuallyArrow4/3/2015, 6:27:01 PM1 votes

I used Mobafire when I was a noob. I just recently started doing my own builds, now that I understand what works with who better.

Mobafire is good for when you are starting out in LoL, or don't know how to build a champion.

Only Play Darius4/4/2015, 2:37:50 AM1 votes

Can't argue with statistics man.