Boards›[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous

Before I quit this game riot for once please for answer this one final question for me.

Liquid Dario··3 votes·1,022 views

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2012436570/221266809?tab=overview

Now hear me out on this riot. I understand we lost the game and I am totally whatever with it. I kinda decided not to win because something happened in the game that PERPLEXED AND BLEW MY MIND like I went literally into the TWILIGHT ZONE. This is literally making me quit the game so please try to explain this one to me cause my logic sensors are outa CONTROL. My brain literally hurts. And I sat there for an hour talking to this guy after the game was over about it.

I'll set this up, So I am Master Yi. I dominate the game 10-0 Legendary status just complete domination. Could easily just push mid with my team and win. But I figured hey theres a 3-6 Rammus pushing top so I will go kill him. I die ..... This blew my damn mind I'm 10-0 and am building dmg.. hes 3-6 building nothing but tank items to which I'm hybrid Yi ... I should easily win a fight with him. So I'm like ill try again... all the sudden he DELETES me 100-0 in 2 seconds flat.... at this point I'm like wtf ? that makes 0 sense about 3 kills later hes unkillable and carry's the whole entire game by himself literally.

What the hell kinda balance is that? Isn't Rammus supposed to be a tank ? LOOK at his damage riot.... I am 10-0 to his 6-3 and hes a TANK and he LITERALLY out damages EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE MATCH.

Whats the point in being a ADC when your tank can out damage you

What is your logic behind what a tank is supposed to do ?

I thought a tank is meant to tank and absorb damage not deal more damage than anyone else despite being behind massively.

Like literally I quit, unless this is some kind of fluke or bug or for some reason hes overpowered then maybe ill continue to play. Please Riot explain that to me, please help me make some sense of it.

I have never been so mind screwed in my life.

Whats the point in being a damage dealer and building damage items if a full tank can out damage you and the rest of the entire team both yours and his despite him being behind and also outfighting a 10-0 assasin 1v1 and not just killing me but MELTING me as if he was the assasin and not me.

I've played this game for 3 years and never once seen that in my life, if I had I woulda quit a long time ago.

I .. I just don't even know what else to say.

23 Comments

ploki1225 votes

You had a shitton of damage and no real sustain (a single vamp scepter doesn't count). Meanwhile, he had upward of 250 armor and double thornmail effect (W and Thornmail). It's obvious that if you fight into someone's strength while ignoring your own you will lose a lot of fights.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

You had a shitton of damage and no real sustain (a single vamp scepter doesn't count). Meanwhile, he had upward of 250 armor and double thornmail effect (W and Thornmail). It's obvious that if you fight into someone's strength while ignoring your own you will lose a lot of fights.

ur fogetting at this time he was 3-6 and i was 10-0 he didnt have all that armor .... yet he still did that much. Also, a TANK should not out damage an assasin, an adc, or anything that builds damage when it is building armor and especially when its 3-6 going up against a 10-0.

kagepaladin4 votes

factoring in rammus had a thornmail at ten minutes and a randuin's omen at 18 minutes whereas you at 18 minutes had devourer and scepter and hextech revolver the added health from rammus's randuins plus the at least 160 armour he had from those two items redirecting 25% of total armour and 15% of incoming damage X2 due to rammus's W he can melt someone who tries to 1v1 him especially if they're ad, that rammus also took the mastery that let's him deal 2.5% inceased damage to you when your slowed, taunted or knocked up all 3 of which rammus can do also rammus has a huge amount of magic and armour pen (this one in particular and rammus's W decreases your own armour. so basically his armour just got stacked to the point he became god. rammus hard counters any and all ad if fed enough ap meanwhile not so much.

GLV Beamer2 votes

Doesn't matter he counters ADs especially yi

ZETQuidam1 votes

Try to to get a better argument than "a tank shouldn't be able to duel an assassin". There are lots of type of tanks. Amumu can lock the entire team, Braum will protect his adc with his life and Rammus kills tank. You can factor the number of kills you had, but if you look at the item you had, it doesn't seem like you had much more gold than him. Also, your build wan't the most efficient to deal with Rammus while his is much better. A kill advantage doesn't mean much if you don't know the cs difference (or if you don't factor the difference in level). Also, he has ignite.

If your goal is to understand why it's okay for rammus to kill Master Yi in that situation, you have all it takes to do so. If all you want is complain about counterplay and unfun things, remember who you are playing.

Durriken1 votes

Are you a moron the counter to an assassin should be a tank... so tired of these assassins thinking they should blow tanks up. Your purpose in the game is squishy people. I hope you quit the game. People like you are the reason there is an elo hell.

Rysophage1 votes

you do realize rammus basically makes you hit yourself right? if you don't have MR and sustain you are NOT GOING TO KILL A RAMMUS.

D Bag1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=t7ArzHEn,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-11-17T12:31:00.343+0000)

**ur fogetting at this time he was 3-6 **and i was 10-0 he didnt have all that armor .... yet he still did that much. Also, a TANK should not out damage an assasin, an adc, or anything that builds damage when it is building armor and especially when its 3-6 going up against a 10-0.

" am 10-0 to his 6-3 and hes a TANK and he LITERALLY out damages EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE MATCH."

He's 3-6 or 6-3, make up your mind kiddo.

Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/auopld60eff.png

LynXerf3 votes

That's simply what Rammus does. If you want to leave the game because you, as Yi, want to go and try to solo fight a champion who's entire philosophy is around dealing with you, then crack on. He can't go and fight multiple enemies, or anyone who isn't auto reliant or any mages with anywhere near the success of Yi. Rammus isn't a pure tank - he is a tank mirror. The more damage you do, the more you will hurt yourself.

This is exactly the same way a Miss Fortune can go 10-0 and then decide to go fight a Jax who is 3-6. Who do you really think will win? She'd get deleted most of the time. BUT, she is still far more useful to her team as long as she doesn't go around trying to solo everyone.

Oh and why do so many people complain that "tanks deal damage". Yes of course they do. They are not just CC machines to soak damage. The same way that carries don't just deal damage. They can also take a lot of punishment when they utilize lifesteal or a couple of defensive items. If you think Rammus is OP, then go play him every game. You'll soon realize he isn't (well except in this meta right now, which is perfect for him).

Limitanei2 votes

There's going to be a Pre-Season 6 Q&A today. Just wait until it starts and submit a question to Riot.

Remember to keep a level head when speaking your mind! "OMG RITO YOU FUCKED UP" won't help them improve the game!

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/community/q/join-us-tomorrow-preseason-q

Bergk2 votes

I'm a Rammus main. Let me explain his damage. Basically the only way rammus does damage is if you attack him. When he goes into Defensive Ball Curl get gains 120 armor and 120 magic resistance (at level 5). And whenever anything attacks him in Defensive Curl they take 65 + 10% of his armor as magic damage per attack.

Thornmail does the same thing as well Reflects 15% of the physical damage taken (+ 25% bonus armor) from basic attacks and on-hit effects back to its source as magic damage.

My highest armor build can get around 600 armor (in defensive ball curl), but that's build no MR all armor. so that's 65+60 from Defensive Curl and 125 + 15% of the physical damage from thornmail.

So that's 250 magic damage (+15% of the physical damage taken) that you will take EACH TIME YOU ATTACK HIM. So Yi is the worst pick in the world against Rammus. If I see a Yi on the other team, I get the biggest smile on my face.

TeCoolMage1 votes

172 MR without items is already great, so screw dat, they're for puny Galios.

alasarcher2 votes

Thornmail mate + his W, rammus doesnt deal damage to you. You deal damage to youl. Especially your hybrid build that you abuse. In order to counter damage return, you need lifesteal. Alot of it. Blade of the ruined king+bloodthirster+ spirit visage. Thats why Rammus win rate skyrocketed lately. Everyone abuse that rageblade hybrid build, having tons of damage and no magic resist and sustain. All he has to do is curl into a ball and say OK.. Next time (if there is next time), dont build just what u saw on twitch or youtube. Check who your opponent is, then build.

PlayaPan1 votes

Rito needs to explain how Rammus does dmg if it's a tank.

Boulderox3 votes

Passive and w.... Whats so hard to learn? Armor passively gives him ad, and w returns damage dealt like a built in thornmail

TeCoolMage1 votes

Well that's because Rammus compensates by being weak to things that don't auto attack, and you should have more life steal than his damage, or at least enough to kill him before he kills you. Even then, don't go up against him. Asking "why can't I kill an anti auto attack tank as an auto attack champion without building specifically against him" is like asking "I'm a fed squishy AoE champ with no 1v1 potential, and with a lot of armour, why can't I get a kill out of this Malzahar?!"

Also, your build is baaaaad against Rammus, like, really really bad. Why would you get hybrid AP-AD all-heal items like Hextech when all your damage benefits off life steal or sometimes spell vamp, instead of, I don't know, armour penetration. AP is bad on Yi unless you commit to full AP for the heal, otherwise it's just AS and AD. I think this is the sort of build a troll would go if they wanted to throw the game by secretly feeding Rammus, because it's just that bad. And why oh why would you go lord Dominik's over black cleaver or something that's more armour over HP based

Oh, and his CS.

Liquid Dario1 votes

{quoted}

Well that's because Rammus compensates by being weak to things that don't auto attack, and you should have more life steal than his damage, or at least enough to kill him before he kills you. Even then, don't go up against him. Asking "why can't I kill an anti auto attack tank as an auto attack champion without building specifically against him" is like asking "I'm a fed squishy AoE champ with no 1v1 potential, and with a lot of armour, why can't I get a kill out of this Malzahar?!"

Also, your build is baaaaad against Rammus, like, really really bad. Why would you get hybrid AP-AD all-heal items like Hextech when all your damage benefits off life steal or sometimes spell vamp, instead of, I don't know, armour penetration. AP is bad on Yi unless you commit to full AP for the heal, otherwise it's just AS and AD.

I was trying out the new yi everyone is trying ... apparently.

TeCoolMage1 votes

That is a bad and terrible thing to do, and I'd be embarrassed to ever be caught following a build simply because it was posted elsewhere, even my own.

Your items are what make you go into late game, and you can't ever go in unprepared, even if you're faker and fed, if you go into late game with some build on paper and not based on your current situation, you've failed to scale to late game at all. You have to build right, or else the game would just be "Take all the OP items for your champ, kk done let's stomp these noobs who have less gold than me"

Don't even bother with Lord Dominik's, get black cleaver next time, and don't bother with Hextech either, you're better off with BoTRK, or even better, death dancer. You should've also build BT at some point against Rammus. Knowledge on the best items for your situation is as important as knowing not to walk under the tower without minions then spamming laugh and taunt late game, even if you are ahead and even if you are tanky.

Liquid Dario1 votes

So what your all saying is that its perfectly OKAY for a tank who is 3-6 to out damage everyone in the game including a 10-0 Master Yi at that point and carry the game. Because that is what a TANK champion is designed to do ? hes designed to out damage ad carrys and ap carrys ? hes also designed to have the most hp in the game ? and most resistances ?

He dealt 43 K DMG! despite being a FULL TANK and being 3-6 most of that game ..... I as a 10-0 MASTER YI only did 36 K dmg the entire game.

I fail to see the logic in that. What is the point in being an Assassin and building damage if someone who is full tank out damages you...... Everyone should just play tanks in every lane at that point.

Games logic is fail .... why play a fail game with the most ridiculous logic on earth ?

An ASSASSIN is supposed to kill you instantly not a TANK. When a tank is melting me and a fricken Mundo for crying out loud .... something is seriously wrong here.

I mean if this logic makes sense to you then I think I need to find another game .... lol I am sorry I did not realise that TANKS were the new carrys. And that building tank means you deal buttloads of damage in any situation. And that even being behind in gold, exp, items is meaningless to a tank.

TeCoolMage1 votes

Hey, if you can't understand that rock beats scissors, no matter how much you sharpen those scissors instead of strengthening the blades to avoid bending, (at some point, those scissors will evolve into a hammer, so gg for rocks) that's your problem. Good luck cutting rocks with sharp scissors like those Anime swords.

And before you make up any bull like "Well this is LoL, the game is meant to be dynamic and flexible, not set in stone (lol)," well guess what, tanks can deal more damage than you in specific circumstances, like when a swordsman flails his arms around at him with no life steal, deal with it.

D Bag1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=t7ArzHEn,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-17T12:20:24.389+0000)

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2012436570/221266809?tab=overview

Now hear me out on this riot. I understand we lost the game and I am totally whatever with it. I kinda decided not to win because something happened in the game that PERPLEXED AND BLEW MY MIND like I went literally into the TWILIGHT ZONE. This is literally making me quit the game so please try to explain this one to me cause my logic sensors are outa CONTROL. My brain literally hurts. And I sat there for an hour talking to this guy after the game was over about it.

I'll set this up, So I am Master Yi. I dominate the game 10-0 Legendary status just complete domination. Could easily just push mid with my team and win. But I figured hey theres a** 3-6 Rammus **pushing top so I will go kill him. I die ..... This blew my damn mind I'm 10-0 and am building dmg.. hes 3-6 building nothing but tank items to which I'm hybrid Yi ... I should easily win a fight with him. So I'm like ill try again... all the sudden he DELETES me 100-0 in 2 seconds flat.... at this point I'm like wtf ? that makes 0 sense about 3 kills later hes unkillable and carry's the whole entire game by himself literally.

What the hell kinda balance is that? Isn't Rammus supposed to be a tank ? LOOK at his damage riot....** I am 10-0 to his 6-3 **and hes a TANK and he LITERALLY out damages EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE MATCH.

3-6 or 6-3, stop lying please.

Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/auopld60eff.png

TeCoolMage1 votes

I'm loving the signature already

D Bag1 votes

{quoted}

I'm loving the signature already

Oh thanks.

Sincerely, http://www.auplod.com/u/auopld60eff.png

More from [ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous

Open Letter to Parents of League of Legends Players
[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous860 comments
2,611
votes
Rewards for positive play
[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous19,712 comments
1,337
votes
I don't like Boards
[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous324 comments
809
votes
STOP ALLOWING LEVEL 1 ACCOUNTS TO SEND FRIEND REQUESTS!!!
[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous291 comments
679
votes
Wanting to do something special for an awesome friend. Riot, please help? <3
[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous220 comments
614
votes
People that are telling others to kill themselves has to stop! Please help me get this noticed!
[ARCHIVED] Miscellaneous605 comments
600
votes

More by Liquid Dario

Why is Rengar back ? dealing 80 million damage in 0.2 seconds again ?
Gameplay96 comments
33
votes
@RIOT Rhojin A response to something (quoted) you said in forum would appreciate a reply back.
Player Behavior74 comments
14
votes
Why is yasuo constantly a balance issue ... can you guys not balance this champion ?
Gameplay21 comments
9
votes
That's It Riot, you win. I'm done, I quit your game. The trolling is just WAY out of control
Player Behavior34 comments
9
votes
@Riot Ghostcrawler Would like a response to this question if possible.
Gameplay13 comments
7
votes
Kindred sucks.
Gameplay46 comments
6
votes