Why is yasuo constantly a balance issue ... can you guys not balance this champion ?

Liquid Dario·Aug 28, 2016·9 votes·1,437 views

Title says it all ... I am sick of seeing this champion be top tier every damn 4 months. I hope they give him the irelia treatment next time they nerf him. So sick of being a full armor malphite and watching his 2 X crit basically 4 shot me. There isn't another champion in this game who pisses me off more than this stupid ... skilless ... effortless ... champion that deletes people like hes an assasin even though hes a fighter.

But seriously Riot ... why is yasuo NEVER kept in check ? he always comes creeping back somehow wether its TANKSUO or ASSASINSUO hes always a problem. You basically created the most toxic champion next to rengar.

His kit is stupid.

21 Comments

JustMyBassCannonAug 28, 20163 votes

You don't even know what Irelia's treatment was if you think that's what you want for Yasuo.

Vistha KaiAug 28, 20163 votes

Another Yasuo circle-jerk in the making.

You see, the problem with "full armor Malphite" is that... you are full armor. Get some god-damn HP.

AvienalAug 28, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wkT471th,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-08-28T20:18:50.436+0000)

Another Yasuo circle-jerk in the making.

You see, the problem with "full armor Malphite" is that... you are full armor. Get some god-damn HP.

Very least with Malphite he is stuck on a mana resource bar. Irelia is the same and neither of them has full on kits that attributed to what made them so strong, namely a few gimmicks that let them to stand out (Malphite with his group R slam for example while Irelia could chain kill leap on targets, have auto attack sustain and a stun if a target is higher % hp then Irelia). Obviously i havent read every single champion's kits and the tweaks they had between their release and up to today, but its still noticable to notice when a champion is outstanding thanks to specific things.

Yasuo is resourceless, has a damage reduction shield he can constantly regain just by moving and even if it only lasts for 1 second, its enough time for him to react with a wind wall or minion dash to escape. A double crit chance which applies to his Q 'group stab' also as on hit and his tornado too, the ability to instant teleport on top of one or a group of enemy champions currently knocked up to proceed to mass damage them and then let him shred 15 seconds of half the bonus armor on them as if they were puddy. Not even also counting the fact that long as he hasn't dashed thru a enemy based unit/champion/jungle minion, he can use his fixed distance dash for insane gap shifting from opening to even closing and of course his projectile negating 'basic ability' which doesn't even have a limit on how much it can 'take' and while its present, firing anything between it is basically a no no for Yasuo's opponents outside of non projectiles.

Its still a wonder WHY in general that between season 4 and season 6 that he went so long with no real 'nerfs' to put him in line and instead got a bunch of bug fixes which the most of them made him even stronger since he wouldnt have those 'slip up delays' or 'whoops ya had 100% crit but magically didnt crit at all.' schmicks.

Oh and that's not including the state of itemization that is letting plenty of champions to exploit things like in some games where people would learn how to duplicate weapons, gain insane amounts of experience with ease or even infinite money.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

GULAG 4 UAug 28, 20162 votes

But yasuos only reliable source of damage are his aas and qs. You can't give him costs, he will become even more toxic.

Vistha KaiAug 28, 20164 votes

You do realize he received multiple nerfs and at some point he was even buffed twice, because of how bad he was?

There was no problem since Season 4 with Yasuo being too strong, until Keystone masteries came around - Hello, Warlord's infinite sustain on crits - and then when PD and later Trinity Force got changed, at which point he became "OP" top laner while building juggernaut items.

You may list everything he can do, but that's still just a void way to show he's OP, when he isn't.

Right now he's bugged, so I can see the problem, but you are forgetting, he was a sub-par in his main role for a loooong time. If he was so frustrating and OP, then why he had 48% winrate for months, even dropping as low as 40%? If he has so many ways to counteract damage, then why he had one of the highest, if not the highest average number of death in every role he has been played?

Stop with the bias for a moment and think objectively, instead of confabulating, "He was never really nerfed". He lost 50% bonus on stacked Sweeping Blade, his shield generation was nerfed like 5 times, he had MS nerfed, his shield nerfed by a third in late game, his passive was even made to apply to Shiv's procs.

JustMyBassCannonAug 28, 20161 votes

You're the guy that complains about Bastion and Torbjorn in every game of Overwatch, aren't you?

XxxLumberJackxxXAug 28, 20162 votes

He isn't top tier. He's just annoying and solo q doesn't know how to play against him. Why I don't know.

Liquid DarioAug 28, 20162 votes

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He isn't top tier. He's just annoying and solo q doesn't know how to play against him. Why I don't know.

56% WIN RATE IN SOLO Q says otherwise. I dont care about pro play im not in worlds. I am talking about solo Q here.

GULAG 4 UAug 28, 20161 votes

It's because of a goddamn bug, Jesus Christ.

Vistha KaiAug 28, 20162 votes

56% due to a bug introduced in the last patch.

Before that, he had 49.5% in mid lane and 51.5% in top lane.

Liquid DarioAug 28, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wkT471th,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-08-28T21:11:15.978+0000)

56% due to a bug introduced in the last patch.

Before that, he had 49.5% in mid lane and 51.5% in top lane.

Well whatever the bug is maybe they should damn well fix it or disable him. And tanksuo was just a thing not long before this and was outa hand then too. You act like it just occoured. Hes been out of hand for quite a while.

Vistha KaiAug 28, 20162 votes

Ask Riot, why they disable some champions, because of insignificant bugs, while others are free to roam.

Also don't act like "Tanksuo" was broken OP before, because he wasn't.

Liquid DarioAug 28, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wkT471th,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-28T21:20:38.732+0000)

Ask Riot, why they disable some champions, because of insignificant bugs, while others are free to roam.

Also don't act like "Tanksuo" was broken OP before, because he wasn't.

Actually he was ... riot nerfed it so obviously it was an issue and I recall a rioter directly admit in a post that it was too op and needed to be dealt with soo ya. prolly meddler if memory serves me right,

Vistha KaiAug 28, 20162 votes

Riot nerfed what exactly?

Also I never take anything Rioters are saying at face value.

PermabannedGarenSep 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wkT471th,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-08-28T20:11:26.707+0000)

Title says it all ... I am sick of seeing this champion be top tier every damn 4 months. I hope they give him the irelia treatment next time they nerf him. So sick of being a full armor malphite and watching his 2 X crit basically 4 shot me. There isn't another champion in this game who pisses me off more than this stupid ... skilless ... effortless ... champion that deletes people like hes an assasin even though hes a fighter.

But seriously Riot ... why is yasuo NEVER kept in check ? he always comes creeping back somehow wether its TANKSUO or ASSASINSUO hes always a problem. You basically created the most toxic champion next to rengar.

His kit is stupid.

LOL, a Malphite player saying Yasuo takes no skill.

The irony.

Liquid DarioSep 16, 20161 votes

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LOL, a Malphite player saying Yasuo takes no skill.

The irony.

LOL the fact that they nerfed NOOBSUO yet again seems like rito agrees me with me :D

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legendary Uchiha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wkT471th,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-09-16T06:31:36.943+0000)

LOL the fact that they nerfed NOOBSUO yet again seems like rito agrees me with me :D

What does him being too strong have to do with Malphite being brain-dead easy and Yasuo requiring skill to play? =)

ShahamutAug 28, 20161 votes

I hope they give him the irelia treatment next time they nerf him.

LOL. Dude. Irelia is actually one of the LEAST nerfed champions in league if you look up her history. :P

LuggAug 28, 20161 votes

Any time a champion has an overloaded kit, they will be VERY hard to balance. Just look at Ekko Elise Nidalee Thresh etc.

Majestic SockSep 14, 20161 votes

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Any time a champion has an overloaded kit, they will be VERY hard to balance. Just look at etc.

Then perhaps making champs with over complex kit's should either be more thought out along with actual feedback from the community. OR we can not give champions overly complex kits with 3 different passive effects on every skill which cause balancing to be more painful than walking over broken lego pieces barefoot.

There is a certain thresh hold for champions that border on fun to play with / against, and a complete kill-joy that saps the fun from games due to being overpowered or too complex to fight against or fight with.

Riot doesn't seem to bother anymore with the kill-joy factor in a lot of champions now, Yasuo has been out for almost 2 years and has 15 other champions released after him already. Don't you think there is something wrong with the champion if its taken this long to get him into a semi-healthy state?

My honest opinion is the double crit passive is what breaks Yasou, it allows players to build 2 items to get 100% crit rate, with capped damage yet it would take a normal ADC 3 items at the minimum to even reach similar crit %'s yet Yasuo gets that for free. There's also the matter of his unlimited dashes, in comparison Ahri gets 3 dashes every 44 seconds with max cdr, Yasou in theory can get 6-7 dashes if there's a cannon minion in a wave and 8 if they dash a champion. The only CD is the effect on the target and not when casting which gives him an insane amount of mobility for a champion that already gets a high amount of crit damage. Which yet again in comparison, most ADC's don't have that type of mobility with the exceptions of a few.

LuggSep 16, 20162 votes

It's so nice to see that someone else gets this.