Sigh...I missed how simple a certain champion's ability used to be

HorusEye·Jun 9, 2015·179 votes·7,413 views

Abilities back then:

Q- Punch

Douchebag throws a punch, dealing physical damage 50/70/90/110/130 (+100% Bonus AD) at a single enemy.

Abilities now:

Q- Punch

PASSIVE: Douchebag gains bonus AD & every 5th consecutive basic attacks deals additional magic damage equal to 20% of target's maximum HP.

ACTIVE: Douchebag throws a punch, slowing the enemy by 35% for 2 seconds & deals physical damage 50/70/90/110/130 (+100% Bonus AD)(+20% of target's minimum HP). If the enemy is below 50%, Douchebag will deal True Damage instead, heals 10/30/50/70/90 flat HP & damages nearby enemies by 40%.

92 Comments

SexyTaylorSwiftJun 9, 201586 votes

I'm fine with champions being more loaded in their kits. What is stupid is when they have the same damage, or even more damage, than champs without overloaded kits.

A Small DogJun 9, 201554 votes

Douchebag OP, Nerf Irelia.

ZorsusJun 9, 201521 votes

secret ability suggestion thread?

srsly tho look at twisted fates pick a card, its a damn paragraph

Robert SmithJun 9, 20154 votes

Only a preview of what to come

DeusVultJun 9, 201521 votes

Yes, but TF pick a Card is still really simple, not that much overload.

Blue deals average damage + mana restore Red slows and deals less damage Gold stuns but deals almost no damage

ZeralyosJun 9, 20154 votes

Sure, just like your hypothetical ability is simple

Passive buffs auto attacks, more every 5 Active deals damage, slows if <50% health, more damage + aoe

CenturosJun 10, 20157 votes

If he was released today, people would complain that he has 3 abilities in one. Not to mention complaining about his point-and-click stun at range.

Twisted TeaJun 10, 20151 votes

But he doesn't even get an Active for his Stacked Deck...It irks me, especially considering champs like Azir get a Passive and Active for all four buttons and their "racial"

Aych PiiJun 10, 20151 votes

Azir only has the one passive, though, doesn't he? The extra active is a bit unusual, but that's why it's fun.

thePandevJun 10, 20152 votes

He has the passive letting him make turrets and bonus AS depending on your CDR

taylorumeJun 10, 20153 votes

TF is really a straightforward champ, the W has 3 possible effects, but you have to pick only one at a time. It would be different if it had all 3 effects in 1 card.

Look at Ekko, now that's what i call an overload kit: every skill has multiple effect, and can proc all at once, he has almost every utility/cc there is in LoL.

Only A SoldierJun 9, 201517 votes

Ok so I personally am fine with champions being more complex. I think it makes them more fun, but this did get a chuckle out of me.

MacDthreeJun 9, 201517 votes

This is something I've been between irritated and excited about during my entire relationship with this game. (that might be the saddest thing I've ever typed)

I don't know if I like that the champs are more in depth and complex, or if I miss it. It seems like all the "easy" champs are being reworked to become some combo reliant monsters.
Not all are bad - some work out really well. I also enjoy that there is more going on. You don't have to just do X amount of damage on your abilities every single time you play a certain champ.
It allows different plays, different team comps, different combos, etc.
But at the same time... I miss when there were "basic" champs, and "combo" champs... separately. When you could choose to play the easy champ and do good damage, or take the time to learn the hard champs to do "better" damage at the risk of missing a skillshot / combo and dying. (these words are used carefully, and only for lack of better terms)

While I prefer to play combo champs, I also miss the days where I could play a new champ and not have to spend an hour watching the spotlight, reading the abilities, etc. just to understand how my passive works with all my shit.

Sorry for the book I wrote.

WickedfatesJun 9, 201515 votes

i wont lie, i laughed

AyRe CoNteMpTJun 9, 20159 votes

damn i giggled even tho its so sad i'd preferably cry.

new champ designs are just all horrible, god, why is it so ridiculous.

MacDthreeJun 10, 20151 votes

hey now. Braum

RetroRage96Jun 11, 20151 votes

You're a rock star. Draven

Mecha MaIphiteJun 9, 20159 votes

%minimum hp op

Noctius28Jun 9, 20157 votes

Let-s pray one day they go back to doing simple champs... with story

Chaotic ReksJun 9, 20157 votes

MEANWHILE Mordekaiser E

Ancestor007Jun 9, 20153 votes

Mordekaiser es numero uno

RetroRage96Jun 11, 20151 votes

Except the no CC part...

SnowStriderJun 9, 20152 votes

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MEANWHILE E

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terkmcJun 10, 201517 votes

Mordekaiser Passive: Numero Uno: Gain shield based on damage dealt Q: Nutcracker: Damage everything near you W: WIll it blend. Damage everything around you. Also some defensive buff or some shit E: Fuck you: Damage everything infront of you R: HUE: Damage this one guy in particular. If you damage him enough he turn into sth that helps you damage even harder

Jeddy017Jun 10, 20151 votes

On the W,you said blend.Did you mean bleed or was blend what you were going for?

rinsujoJun 10, 20151 votes

http://willitblend.com/

...have you seriously never heard the phrase "Will it blend?"?!

terkmcJun 10, 20152 votes

Yes, blend. As in a blender. As in sharp piece of metal rotating at high speed cutting everything introduced to it to shred. As in DAMAGE

Singing LarkJun 9, 20157 votes

Poor Douchebag. I guess Riot thought he needed a rework.

KeevalroyJun 10, 20156 votes

Abilities now:

Q- Punch

PASSIVE: Douchebag gains bonus AD & every 5th consecutive basic attacks deals additional magic damage equal to 20% of target's maximum HP.

ACTIVE: Douchebag throws a punch, slowing the enemy by 35% for 2 seconds & deals physical damage 50/70/90/110/130 (+100% Bonus AD)(+20% of target's minimum HP). If the enemy is below 50%, Douchebag will deal True Damage instead, heals 10/30/50/70/90 flat HP & damages nearby enemies by 40%.

You forgot the scaling shield and the movement speed buff that also knocks people up if you have your W active.

MacDthreeJun 10, 20153 votes

And the heal if you land your E while moving backwards in a circle around red buff.

RetroRage96Jun 11, 20152 votes

On tuesday.

ArveanorJun 9, 20155 votes

Eh, I don't really agree with you. I like some of the interesting things they keep coming up with, but I guess we all have our own little things.

AbyssionKnightJun 9, 20155 votes

What I find amusing about this isn't the complexity, but the fact Riots goal is for each champion to have unique moments and stand out strengths and weaknesses.

However, the more they stack into a kit, the harder it is to truly define a champion. For example, Kog'Maw used to be your go to champion to shred tanks. Now dozens of champions can fill that role in various ways.

Riot is actually making their job harder on themselves by putting so much into each kit.

lightdshadowsJun 9, 20154 votes

Das it mane

HidingOverHereJun 9, 20154 votes

lol that minimum hp... so 0?

WeiseAzirJun 9, 20153 votes

Thank Based Gypsylord

http://i.imgur.com/4gcffqh.png

KalarepaJun 10, 20153 votes

That's because Riot can't think of really new and unique abilities (well, Bard was exception) for new champions, so the combine few already existing effect into 1 "new" skill. And as a result we end up with champion with overloaded kit.

EleshakaiJun 10, 20152 votes

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That's because Riot can't think of really new and unique abilities (well, Bard was exception) for new champions, so the combine few already existing effect into 1 "new" skill. And as a result we end up with champion with overloaded kit.

Nearly every champ has had at least one conceptually unique ability recently.

Kalista's ult(and sentry) Thresh's entire kit Ekko's ult Azir's entire kit Quinn's Ult and W Most of Bard's kit Yasuo's windwall Rek'sai's burrow mechanic Gnar's hop and boomerang(and his erratic transformation but that's more arguable) Braum's Unbreakable Nami's e Lucian's skillshapes Jinx's switcheroo Zac's passive Vi's ult etc.

Riot's not THAT lacking in creativity. You're just blinded to the reality. There are a loto f interesting mechanics that have been created, whether you like them or not... and they're doing new things for nearly every champ.

ConturbatioJun 10, 20153 votes

Meanwhile Veigar has a passive that let's him use his spells.

Ze UnitJun 9, 20152 votes

Abilities are made complex for a reason...

Champions are thematic creatures, their abilities need to represent who they are as an identity and what role they place. Take Braum for instance; his leap gives resists so you can jump in an save your teammate, not just for blind complexity. His shield gives movement speed so you can position yourself correctly whilst it's up, not just for blind complexity.

Champions need to have a specific role they fit so that they can be good and bad picks for a team. If Kha'Zix's passive didn't have a slow his jungling wouldn't a be good pick-off assassin. If Thresh's hook didn't have a passive damage component, why wouldn't you pick Blitzcrank all the time?

Finally, champions need counterplay. If douchebag just has s hispells like single target 100% scaling punch there wouldn't provide much counterplay. Abilities have %health damage so you don't max them early but they allow better late game scaling instead of just being OP in lane. Think Rengar before his ult had an indicator; you had no way of knowing he was about to jump on you and 100-0 you real quick unless you had prior vision of him. But now you have the indicator when he is stealthed near you, so you can pop shields, flash, heal, get closer to teammates, time a stun etc.

Simplicity doesn't necessarily make the game balanced/easier/fair.

RetroRage96Jun 11, 20153 votes

Yes, and that's why Skarner has an AoE skillshot slow. Because that really fits in with his "run into them fast and make them give you a piggy back ride for five years" mindset. Skarner was designed to stick to an opponent, not throw little ice shards at them. In fact, he's supposed to turn them into ice shards (temporarily.)

Skarner's E does not represent him or fit with the rest of his kit.

SolaxoJun 10, 20152 votes

You forgot about a shield

LlaniteJun 9, 20151 votes

You'd rather go backwards then? Good luck.

windwolf777Jun 9, 201512 votes

Progress isn't just how many words/actions/passives you can cram into an ability.....

GhostOfShrimpmasJun 9, 20151 votes

Pretty sure abilities got complicated at the same time that AD scaling appeared.

But seriously, there actually are no abilities in the game that are just "deal damage to a guy and no other effects". The closest ability to that is actually Veigar's R.