Just go trade with him early game (ofc when his jungle isn't near), or else one would end up in this particular situation below.
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It's never that easy.
yes it is.
Not with his passive.
You have to kill him early or play a champion that can fight him, like Trundle. If you pussy foot around or pick the wrong champ then expect to have a difficutl time.
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You have to kill him early or play a champion that can fight him, like Trundle. If you pussy foot around or pick the wrong champ then expect to have a difficutl time.
nasus just won't give a damn and will farm near his turret. Or he will slow you and run away. And it's very easy to get stacks even when behind
awe, Susan wants to farm under tower? cute:)
Yeah but do you do after he buys
?
You play Swain.
Every Jungler Ever: Want to push My Nasus Top under his turret and deny him under our turret? Okay Time for free kill setups with wither :)
TLDR: "It's never that easy."
His passive does nothing without stacks.
6 HP per hit at level 1 (~1% of his base HP), combined with top-10 base HP regen in the game
I wouldn't call it nothing.
Which would push his lane. Nasus already gets camped a lot as it is, and if the enemy jungler so much as looks at top while Nasus is the slightest bit overextended, he's dead.
Which is why Nasus never autoattacks minions unless absolutely necessary. So you saying he gets early game sustain through autoattacks is false.
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It's never that easy.
It actually kind of is, as long as this Nasus is not getting baby sat in top lane 24/7, one can just go trade with him again and again until Nasus has to back to heal/regen his mana. Rinse and repeat, until he reaches lvl 6, then start playing more careful.
He has a passive to help him sustain in lane, yes, but it's mostly negligible until he either farms up or rushes an early Sheen.
Also one can also just pick a ranged champ and poke him to death. That works too.
For Nasus, his early game is a farm fest. But for enemy players, it should be a fight fest, otherwise you might as well go wash your butt or something to prepare for the inevitable doom.
It's not negligible in the slightest. Also, forcing trades isn't always the best option. If nasus plays back in his minion wave you have no chance of fighting him because one wither and minions chunk you stupidly hard.
You can outfarm him and out cs him but once he gets 2400 gold it's basically gg toplane and you might as well try and snowball your team because staying in lane is pointless at that point.
if you are melee it's impossible to trade with Nasus, you take damage while he takes heal.
if you talk to any good nasus player they will all say the same thing: the vast, vast majority of players and champions cant stop them from stacking. they can temporarily slow them down, but a good nasus will always get stacked.
As a nasus main this needs to be bolded and imprinted into every toplane main in the world.
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if you talk to any good nasus player they will all say the same thing: the vast, vast majority of players and champions cant stop them from stacking. they can temporarily slow them down, but a good nasus will always get stacked.
Good plays get rewarded, bad plays get punished. I see no problem there.
The key to defeating Nasus is stopping him from farming, if you can't then you lose. It's not unreasonable like asking one to dodge Lee's Q every 5 seconds when playing against him or something, just learn to go aggressive on the dude and you win.
umm, I didn't say there was a big problem with it, although a part of me wonders if it wouldn't be better if they got 2 stacks for normal minions and triple for champs siege minions and monsters. also, you don't just simply "go aggressive" on him, because he just waits for the minions to push into tower. as I said before, every big nasus player I have ever spoken to has told me that except for the rare occasion, you cant stop them from stacking. not saying he's op, just saying that's the case.
As he stacks, you gank lanes. That's why you take teleport. Deny him early stacks, then, while he gets his mid game stacks under tower, hold mid lane while they gank bot lane.
Playing against a good nasus is about objectives and other lanes. Sure, you can't deny him stacks, but you can make it so him getting stacks will cost his team objectives.
we aren't talking about how to win a game against nasus, we are talking about how to stop him from stacking
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if you talk to any good nasus player they will all say the same thing: the vast, vast majority of players and champions cant stop them from stacking. they can temporarily slow them down, but a good nasus will always get stacked.
Amen to someone who gets this!
+ passive + natural regen + Feast mastery + damage you take from his minions + his other abilities = you guessed it.... It's never that easy.
I fear the day I see a full tank nasus build a bt as his 1 damage item
Heh Heh heh oh no, thats not what you fear, I can tell you what you fear, playing as a full AD team against nasus with BT as his single damage item.
Spectating a friend's game "What are that Nasus's stacks at? Hmmm. Only 75 at 30 minutes, what is he doing?" [Nasus one-shots the enemy ADC] "... what even. How." [checks stacks again] "Ohhhhhh. It's 750. Neat."
Then the nasus decides to backdoor...
He doesn't use doors. He just rams his way through the wall.
What wall?
The one that HAD been there before Nasus looked at it.
The one with the force field?
What force field? That's just a hurried patch job Riot had to do after an 800-stack Nasus decided "You know what my team could really use here? A door! Qs the wall"
Ooooooooooooor you can just use Vladimir and out-poke him, out-trade him, out-farm him, out-scale him, and out-push him until their nexus explodes.
Edit: Good point, Nasus can scale infinitely... -shudders-
And then Nasus builds
Spirit Visage and
Banshee's Veil and safely ignores him until the other carries are dead.
And then Nasus builds
Spirit Visage and
Banshee's Veil and safely ignores him until the other carries are dead.
If you can stop his farming from the get go, by the time he gets those items the game is already about to end anyway.
When playing against Nasus, early game aggression and pressure is key. Don't waste your time farming since you can't outscale him (still you need to farm adequately, just not intensively), so what you should do is making sure that he doesn't scale, at all.
You can't outscale Nasus.
And
disagree.
outscale him
haha, funny.
time to take
top again...
I don't try to deny Nasus anymore. Not worth the effort. So I just play
and do the same thing he does, but better.
Oneshot squishies?
basically just get 500 stacks then perma group with your team and auto kill the enemy carries naut support nasus top. ez win imo if you dont get creamed early game.
basically just get 500 stacks then perma group with your team and auto kill the enemy carries naut support nasus top. ez win imo if you dont get creamed early game.
With a nasus top you give up a good portion of the early game for your team's strength considering the majority of top laners have at least a decent early game. If the midlane or jungle has a very good early game they can make his life much easier by putting that early game pressure elsewhere for the team, or helping him out.
Exactly. Picking Shaco with lategame champs makes the earlygame so much easier because the enemy laners are going to be cautious about being aggro in the first 15 minutes. It's only if you've got something like
that you're probably never gonna reach lategame.
+1 thanks for the laugh
the idiots that leave lane when you have a nasus opposite you its a full game job to make sure he doesnt stack
the idiots that leave lane when you have a nasus opposite you its a full game job to make sure he doesnt stack
cant really stop a decent nasus from building stacks and lets be honest, if you try to he will get jungle ganks and will put you behind him. He can lock down even the safest top laner with wither while the jungler does all the work.
people say this but if nasus is less than half hp and im full hp jungler ganks dont do much i just back behind minions until the jungler leaves or go in to poke the jungler for short battles i usually use my spells when wither is cast on me and i can run away for the duration. im more than half way across the lane but i usually have a ward in the river brush and im back before the jungler even gets in lane to gank me and when i dont i still get away just that i may have taken some damage. on average i only die to ganks 3/10 times when im laneing vs and supressing a nasus. i havent had major problems vs a nasus since last year early summer when i mirror laned a guy nasus vs nasus and he kicked my ass hard told me that he was useing attack speed runes and built phage first and since then i have a had less than 3 games where a nasus troubled me during laneing without basically 2v1 top. this guy is now the only person on my friends list where i have respected players. i usually use darius aatrox and renekton on the whole and to beat nasus