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Well would you look at that? NOW everyone thinks Ryze is OP

HorusEye··55 votes·8,601 views

Douches be like:

When Ryze just got reworked:

Wtf Riot, now his Q sucks.... I cant build tanky anymore......... Ryze rework is a failure..... Ryze just got Veigar'ed

When Ryze got played in LCS:

Omg 2+ snares in 5 seconds? Wow, he's so damn OP! So much spam, fking OP...... Riot, pls nerf Ryze...

This actually defines most of League Boards Community. It's kinds like this that I feel like bitchslapping so much.

It's always been like this. People never even bothered to test out the reworked abilities of a certain champion because they were too scared, and most specifically, it's kind of like a "I dont play Ryze a lot because my mom( FNC Huni, no offence bro :p ) doesnt". Now, it's all "Oh look, my mom rocks with Ryze! I should too!".

My advice?

Stop making yourself look as stupid as this, and learn the reworked champion's hidden OP-ness yourself, not until your mom says so.

Who knows, maybe LCS will play Q-reworked Veigar one day, and you'll just become the more obedient spoiled child and follow as usual.

60 Comments

Juggernaut N30 votes

Or maybe, just maybe, it was the major buff they gave him in the recent patch. Also perma snare is just beyond broken. He's going to be nerfed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/38mg8j/a_very_balanced_ryze_kill_montage/

Big Bang Bob1 votes

I guess we already had an anti mobility champ.

Good riddance too. I though we'd never get a counter to those champs who just stack boots.

Z Statistic13 votes

My explanation:

every Ryze worth their salt skilled RQWE. His reworked really did not change his playstyle except give him a window of extremely powerful gameplay instead of the same gameplay weaker all the time. His Q also gains the most damage per rank still. So people still skilled him exactly the same and failed.

What did LCS do differently? Maxed W first. You could always spam so many roots with him in lane but it didn't matter because it was only 0.75 seconds. Now it's ranked up to 1.5 and you can't move while Ryze keeps being Ryze. So yeah. All it took was breaking the skill pattern that has been set in stone for roughly 3 seasons.

Hawkefire2 votes

Maxing Q is generally a bad idea unless you are very confident in your ability to land it consistently. Maxing W against lanes that counter you harshly (champs that are really good at all-inning) or maxing E versus the others is generally the way to go.

It is precisely the fact that people did not realize that maxing his other abilities was a better idea and instead chose to not adapt to the way the champion now works is the sole reason for why they thought he sucked

Orbv7 votes

I've played Ryze about 10 times the first day he was reworked, I watched the LCS game, and I still think Ryze is worse off.

I played him because of his builds, his strong late game, but most importantly, because he had targeted damage which countered mobility really hard especially early game.

His reworked Q stinks. The visual is further than the hitbox actually is. Yes you can now scout with it which is fine, but he is countered more now by champions he used to do fine against.

My biggest annoyance is his passive. You need to ramp up your passive...that's fine. But then when it's peaks, you lose it after 4 - 6 seconds?............................... You lose so much time in a team fight with it down, that you barely get to enjoy it while he's in steroid mode.

Not saying that he's bad, but I really can't stand his new playstyle.

Also Veigar only saw competitive play for his stun. There's no reason a team would pick him now. He's not a safe choice and his playmaking is very limited.

OxBaker1 votes

Totally agree but that Huni video went viral and all the sheep came out of the forum woodwork crying for nerfs so I think for myself anyway, I'll just leave him on the shelf rather than taking the time to try learn him cause you know Riot's gonna nerf the poor guy into the ground.

LankPants1 votes

Also Veigar only saw competitive play for his stun. There's no reason a team would pick him now. He's not a safe choice and his playmaking is very limited.

It's already happened. http://na.lolesports.com/lck/2015/lcksummer/matches/week-3/samsung-galaxy-vs-jin-air-green-wings

KilljoyX6 votes

Ryze had the effectiveness of his passive and ult literally doubled at early levels. I'd wager if you made yasuo's shield scale from 200-700 instead of 100-500 he'd also become broken OP.

Doubling the effectiveness of the passive was too much. It should probably be 4.5(1-10)/6(11-15)/7.5(16-18) to prevent ryze from walking to lane at level 3 and all inning his lane. He was absolutely terrible before his buff to Q passive and ult.

Kingsgrave1 votes

{quoted}

Ryze had the effectiveness of his passive and ult literally doubled at early levels. I'd wager if you made yasuo's shield scale from 200-700 instead of 100-500 he'd also become broken OP.

Doubling the effectiveness of the passive was too much. It should probably be 4.5(1-10)/6(11-15)/7.5(16-18) to prevent ryze from walking to lane at level 3 and all inning his lane. He was absolutely terrible before his buff to Q passive and ult.

The passive isn't the issue, it's the W. Just give it the Kennen treatment of 50% less duration if you use it again on them within 7 seconds

lDontLiftIcarry6 votes

lol. welcome to league of casuals. :) they watch anything besides worlds and call it meta and then blindly follow what a pro says without understanding anything behind why or how :D

chipi997 votes

*League of Sheep

Anidan1 votes

I always have to explain to my friends that if they want to break the meta, they have to understand the meta they're breaking. Instead, sometimes they like to just parrot things other people have done or said without much actual experience on the matter. Yes, in theory that kill lane could work, but if they have plenty of disengage, then it's a safe bet that the kill lane will not get the net gain you're hoping for. Same for the off-meta jungler: If he doesn't have an extreme strength, then he may not have enough to take advantage of to make up for his weaknesses. Then there's the sudden lane switches I sometimes see. But they only work if both people can handle the lane they're walking into. More than once I've seen someone losing a lane slowly ask to be switched, only for the person they brought in next to lose even faster because their champion isn't meant to handle it.

Knowledge and experience are much more valuable than hearsay and theorycrafting.

lDontLiftIcarry2 votes

I've got a buddy that only plays ezreal and he's like "blue build is my favorite" And I'm like.. But you have to practice landing at least 90% of your Q's+W's in a game to make this build viable.

He replied with "I can 1v1 you so why does it matter" . So we go 1v1. I crushed him all in at level 3 because I landed every single Q in lane while he missed his.

Just so you know how much harder I have to work, I get 10 fps in teamfights. I have the APm of a broodwar veteran though so microing is simple even on sub 30.

I'm not bragging I'm just pointing out there's alot of players that really don't understand the mechanics of what they're trying to do.

Anyway I helped him learn how to predict player movement and how to make skill shots nearly undodgable ontop of having high success rate. And I taught him how to micro lane creeps to win trades early game.

I'm a jungler so I'm not some challenger pro wannabe bullshit. No I'm just a high elo player thats been high elo since season 1 (2.3k+ mmr every season)

I'm not the best by far there are a million better mid laners supports adc's top laners. But I do understand more than enough to teach my friend from work who recently got into ranked for his first time this year a thing or two. Also to knock him down a few pegs so he knows he still needs to improve greatly :p

Hawkefire3 votes

Too be fair....I did say that Ryze didn't need further buffs after his rework as his damage was incredibly high and very strong and that it was people assuming that he sucked and not adapting their playstyle which is why everyone thought he was weak.

But sadly, people are sheep and once they have heard that something "sucks" or see a significant change (such as his Q becoming a skillshot) they will rapidly jump to conclusions that the champ is ruined and wont even attempt to change their playstyle.

For example, on average any game I play as Ryze I max my E before my Q (honestly there is no reason to max Q before anything other than just getting more damage out of it), and the reason I max my E is because the amount of damage that skill dishes out is downright crazy. It pretty much zones any melee laner that isn't tanky or doesn't have sustain. It is also very strong against ranged champions as it forces them to avoid their own minions or take a pretty massive amount of damage. This of course either zones the champ away from farm (in the case of melee champs) or forces them to (in most cases) not be able to use their minions as a shield from my Qs if they want to farm.

ArkenStorm2 votes

THANK YOU. YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. I play both Ryze and Veigar, and he's super strong. Just because the pros do or do not do something does NOT mean that is or isn't good.

Like nobody builds ZZ'rot portal. It's a great sieging item, especially on naturally tanky people who don't really have a need for GA, but they need to be extra tanky and need to contribute somehow.

Shield Villain2 votes

I always though Ryze was a little op, but I'm fairly sure that was just me being salty when he snares me, bursts me, and then snares me again as I try to flee.

ShaftyMegee2 votes

When I tested the new ryze I loved him when I found out you can have his ult on like a 10 second cd mid game. People are nothing but sheeple, you have to understand that op

Only Play Darius2 votes

Post-rework Ryze was trash. He is played in LCS because he got buffed this patch.

WutsKraken2 votes

Ryze has little mobility of his own, that movespeed buff on his ult is...okay...

But considering he's against people with blinks and dashes all over the place. I think having his W as it is is probably fair

That being said. Welp, time to say goodbye to another champ whom I use to counter the enemy top lane's "OP" pick

PS: Just saying, you wanna beat Ryze ? Quit banning Chogath and/or l2pick Jayce andGnar orYorick Ryze's kit is countered pretty damn well by these guys in lane and in the case of Chogath and Gnar, teamfights too and some scale with him as the game goes on

IAintDarius2 votes

He was over buffed you tool.

Aidony1 votes

wait can you link me to the match he was played in

qetzel1 votes

Matches. http://na.lolesports.com/eu-lcs/2015/summer/matches/week-2/unicorns-love-vs-copenhagen-wolves

and http://na.lolesports.com/eu-lcs/2015/summer/matches/week-2/fnatic-vs-roccat-0

I don't know if this is pre or post buff.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

NOOOOO!!!! DO NOT MAKE THEM TRY THE VEIGAR! whisper its my secret weapon... :3

Trídent1 votes

No, foolish summoner. I control you. You... are my puppet. You have no power over me, I am not your weapon... YOU ARE MINE!!!!! Veigar

Shroom Junkie1 votes

{quoted}

No, foolish summoner. I control you. You... are my puppet. You have no power over me, I am not your weapon... YOU ARE MINE!!!!! Veigar

I KNEW IT! That's why I'm getting shorter by the day! :D

Trídent1 votes

AHHAHAAHAHAHHA... You fooli... WAIT.

** IS THAT A SHORT JOKE?!!!!!!!**

Shroom Junkie1 votes

{quoted}

AHHAHAAHAHAHHA... You fooli... WAIT.

** IS THAT A SHORT JOKE?!!!!!!!**

oh holy fuck I'm laughing so hard right now just please stop it xD

YOLO420SWAGSCOPE1 votes

just like when urgot was played in the LCS?

Rinky Dinky1 votes

I fucking called it.

Edit: I fucking double called it when I said that still maxing Q was stupid.

chipi991 votes

Tbh I felt realy weak when I played him a patch ago.

KidKaiser1 votes

honestly doubt veigar will ever see play in LCS again. stun cage nerf hit him hard. and trolololol 'compensation'

Zoratu1 votes

Actually I didn't even know he was played in the lcs but when I was 3/0 as akali top lane vs him and he killed me when he was 0/3 and I had 30 more cs than him, I made up my mind.

Adeyemon1 votes

Same thing happened with Kalista. I remember four months people were like she sucks etc. Now: she is soooooooo broken omg riot please

Buffy4321 votes

Veigar will never be played in the LCS. That "rework" was a failure on all accounts.

LankPants1 votes

He was played in the LCK 3 days ago http://na.lolesports.com/lck/2015/lcksummer/matches/week-3/samsung-galaxy-vs-jin-air-green-wings

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

rekt.

Trídent1 votes

YESH

Samus Frost1 votes

I figured that he was OP anyways when he out traded an Anivia from the high elo spectator thing on the clients home page. He got so many shields that blocked a decent chunk of anivias damage so he was able to just soak her up and out trade.

Xonra1 votes

I still don't think he is op, just sayin'

his early game is just down right horrible, and without being some LCS caliber player, it is so easy to be punished early game (if the enemy team isn't having a stroke at the time).

He isn't strong until he has a few items at least, and around level 8-11 ish, assuming he didn't get pooped on.

sure he CAN be strong as hell, if you just ignore him and let him farm, instead of punishing his terribly bad early game.

Jdubba11 votes

I think ryze could use some tweaking :/

Trídent1 votes

Veigar isnt trash

u hurt vei vei's feelings item 3070

Nidalee SO NYAAA1 votes

"IS THAT A SHORT JOKE"

Trídent1 votes

!

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I thought Ryze was OP about a week ago when I saw a top lane Ryze unload about 30 spells in five seconds and delete two people while taking no damage from them.

Paress1 votes

He got hugely buffed with the 4th stack instantly applying the cooldown reduction.

Kingsgrave1 votes

It's almost like he just got megabuffed and went up 11-13% or something

Sona Ping1 votes

{quoted}

"Douches be like:" "I feel like bitchslapping [them] so much." "Stop making yourself look as stupid as this" "spoiled child"

Some advice: Considering "Ryze was a little too weak after rework" was the opinion of Riot, maybe you shouldn't be talking so much smack about them on their own boards.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I haven't tried new Ryze yet because I don't own him ;-;. But he really needs to be nerfed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9SS9a-gUM&index=15&list=PLPZ7h6L6LC7U9_nWdggcAwYIEoNERNBq7 (skip to 29:40) LOOK AT THIS SHIT

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