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I didn't realize there was a circlejerk going with thresh

I Main Swain··5 votes·879 views

All I did was disagree with someone who said thresh is op, and all of a sudden I'm getting raged at and downvoted into oblivion. this guy comes along and rages at me, telling me I'm "picking fights all over", and counters my reasoning of thresh not being op by basically insulting me, saying that thresh is op without any reasoning, and saying the only reason riot wont nerf them is because they like #LCSbigplayz. and meanwhile, HE is getting all sorts of upvotes while any comment of any kind I make gets downvoted.

really people? I would like to hear some actual solid reasoning that thresh is op that A) has nothing to do with the thresh player's skill and B) isn't the case with at least one other support.

Edit: Jelly Mac explains why he isn't over powered a lot better than I do. for those of you who don't want to bother to scroll down and read, he basically says that while thresh can do just about anything any support can do, he doesn't do any one thing better than a support that specializes in that style of support. also, I will send a link to the post on which I argued with the guy, as requested. I will let you judge which of us was right in terms of who was being the overall douche bag, and I would honestly like to know (in a polite way) if it was me because I don't really see how I was being rude in any way before he made that first comment. the first comment I responded to was the first one, and the argument starts with Shinjusuke.

edit 2: I have 1 more comment after his last reply that you'll have to hit the see more option to see.

14 Comments

Only Play Darius6 votes

He isn't necessarily OP, it's just that he brings the fighter problem to the support role because he has a generalist kit. He has decent ranged damage, infinitely stacking tankiness, a pull/stun, gapcloser, AOE knockback, and can grant long-range mobility to his teammates.

It was the similar problem with Kayle, the other support/fighter in the game, and she got nerfed/reworked because of it.

Thresh doesn't have very much of:

The raw displacement power of Alistar Blitzcrank

The "Buff your ADC" qualities of Sona Nami The super stunlock of Leona The peeling/disengage of Janna Morgana The "Don't let your ADC die" kit of Soraka Zilean The bodyguard/meatshield potential of Braum Taric The zoning capabilities of Lux Karma

Instead, Thresh has a little of each of the above qualities, which means he isn't good at any one thing, but can be obnoxious to play against because he can adapt his build and/or strategy continuously throughout the game.

I Main Swain1 votes

that's actually a really good point, I hadn't thought of that. I guess that people see him as being too strong because he can do a little of everything and an adapt to just about any support role, but will never do any one thing better than another support that specializes in it.

disregardable5 votes

There isn't one? No one with any experience with this game would argue that Thresh is OP. Maybe they were a little heavy-handed with his kit's utility, but he's one of the most balanced champions in the game.

USG Morta4 votes

While i don't think he's "omg op" or whatever, he is a fairly safe pick that works great with most teamcomps, he has a lot of utility and gets free offensive and defensive stats from his passive so even if he doesn't build super tanky its difficult to punish him for making bad plays. He missed a hook? oh well if you try to engage while its down, he still has flay and box to peel with. He followed up on a hook that his team wasn't in position to help with? oh well he dropped a lantern and now someone else is in your face while the rest of the team re-positions. Etc.

DrathTurtle3143 votes

He has control. Lots of control, he can control his position with the second activation of his death sentence, he can control his enemy's position with the first activation of death sentence and the activation of flay, he can control his teammate's position with his dark passage, he can keep you where he wants you with the box. In short, he has control.

Blitz can pull his enemy Leona can pull herself Kalista (not support) can pull her teammate J4 (not support) can trap everyone

He's not broken, but he is very powerful.

Killer of Poros2 votes

He's a powerful support that pushes out all the other supports that fit a niche while he fills in most of them while not giving up much for it.

I Main Swain1 votes

actually, there are many supports that can absolutely cream thresh if they know what they're doing, ESPECIALLY those that specialize in disengages or helping out their allies (Morgana Janna). while he doesn't give up much for having some of everything, he will never be as good at any one role as another support built specifically to that. Jelly Mac explains it better.

IcyPepper1 votes

shrugs

Everyone's entitled to their opinions. If someone rages at you to defend their opinion and bash yours, what's the point? Neither of you are going to convince the other of anything.

My opinion on Thresh? He's... relatively balanced, I'd say. I used to hate him (used to main Sona, and since he's one of her counters... yeah), but I learned to deal with him and eventually played a game just to see how easy/hard it'd be play. His hook has a slight delay, so it's not that easy to land, and his ult/E are pretty close range. Seems like a lot of his power budget went into his passive and lantern, and a little bit into his hook. His ultimate is pretty fine compared to other supports.

Though, in my opinion, he's countered by Lulu and Janna thanks to their disengage and poking tools.

Ariaflux1 votes

I don't think he's overpowered, but he is definitely crowding out other supports by having a consistently high pick rate. Since inception, he has had a ~20% pick rate across all ranks which rose to ~30% by the end of 2013, and remained there till now, spiking to almost 50% at some points in time. This is even higher in higher ranks, with him have 40% pick rate right now at Platinum+ compared to 30% at all ranks. This is what people hated Lee Sin for, I'm curious why Thresh is immune.

P.S. Why not link the thread and your post instead of typing it out? Context is important.

Croslee1 votes

Thresh is Riot's masterpiece

Eleshakai1 votes

Thresh is a 'perfect' champ. He has everything strong enough to be viable. It's not that he's OP, it's just that he has no weakness and strengths in every category. So he's not like release Xin who just warps the game around him... but he is broken. No champ should have EVERYTHING.

In terms of laning viability, the only thing Thresh doesn't offer is sustain, and he offers a shield to take the place of sustain, so it isn't really needed. In terms of lategame, he functions with literally every type of teamcomp.

I think if they just removed the bonus damage from his autoattacks, he'd be okay 'cause then he'd have a weakness: poke... but I don't see it happening.

Wirius1 votes

He's overpowered for a SUPPORT. OP doesn't just mean damage or unkillableness (new word). Lets see, he has a:

  1. Grab-A CC that in all Mobas is considered one of the most powerful abilities. It is a stun, AND a forced move to another player. VERY powerful. Wide hitbox.
  2. A knockback with decent range-Another stun AND forced move. Wide hitbox, hard to miss.
  3. Can teleport to the enemy if he lands his grab-bonus! This is a choice. More choice is more power to adapt. More power to adapt is well...more power.
  4. Has a shield
  5. Can teleport one teammate to a location an average of 2-3 times the range of flash
  6. Has a mega AOE slow.
  7. Has ranged harrass-melee supports do not have this
  8. Is a ranged champ, so the lack of armor early is a non-factor
  9. Gets free AP and armor scaling just for laning, and is irrelevant to how many teammates are in lane.

Finally, mobility is the end all be all in this game. Its the most powerful thing you can put on a champ. Thresh has ton of mobility and anti-mobility.

Now lets compare to other supports.

Blitz

  1. Grab-slightly faster than Thresh's
  2. Knock up-stun, no movement
  3. AOE silence

Leona

  1. Stun and teleport to champ, doesn't move other champ.
  2. Stun, no movement
  3. AOE stun-but usually just a slow
  4. NOT ranged, so must get in and harrass.
  5. Tanky

Taric

  1. Duel heal
  2. Stun, no movement
  3. Team armor buff, enemy debuff
  4. Team buff ad ap
  5. Oh yeah, melee again

Sona

  1. Weak single damage
  2. Low aoe heal
  3. aoe movespeed
  4. Team stun

Soraka

  1. Heal-hurts herself
  2. Targeted aoe silence
  3. Weak damage
  4. AOE heal

Nami

  1. Targeted stun-no movement
  2. Buff to attack damage
  3. Heal/damage
  4. Large aoe knock up-stun, no movement
  5. Can boost movement to person she casts on

Do I need to go on? Supports aren't damage or tankyness but UTILITY. Check the list. Who has the most utility? Who has the most USEFUL utitility over the long game to adapt to any circumstance? Thresh. The only uitility he doesn't have is a heal. Thus, if utility is the standard for supports, Thresh is the pinnacle OP support in the game.

I Main Swain1 votes

actually, his q doesn't displace the enemy that much. it's more intended as a gapcloser/cc ability than a displacement.

his e isn't a stun, it's a disruption. big difference there (and it's actually surprisingly easy to screw up. I didn't believe it until I started playing him).

don't forget, neither of his abilities are teleports, theyre gapclosers. big difference there as well. one is instant and lacks any defense while the other can be interrupted and has reaction time. (also, you can body block the lantern if they use it defensively).

his "mega aoe slow" is no stronger than a zilean w. it is technically aoe, but in reality you're unlikely to hit more than 1 or 2 people with it because the gates go down after being hit.

melee supports don't have poke because they are meant to go hard or go home. almost all of their kits revolve completely around that. besides, when thresh goes out to poke he leaves himself VERY open to counterattacks.

saying that he's a ranged champ so armor/mr doesn't factor is like saying that a whale being able to hold its breath for a long time means it can stay under indefinitely. safer doesn't mean invincible.

not sure where you're getting that thresh has tons of mobility from. he has no gapcloser aside from 1 initiation ability (and his w if youre counting for allies). it isn't super low (necessarily), but it certainly isn't a lot.

now lets look at the champ examples:

Blitz: his pull is WAY faster than thresh's. his knockup is not a stun. and you're forgetting that he has huge base damages compared to many other supports and a ms buff to get right in your face with.

Leona: she is a butthole full of cc and damage boosting. also, her e is a root, not a stun, and any good Leona will land the stun on her ult more often than not.

taric doesn't really count, because he is generally agreed to be underpowered compared to literally every other support and riot is working on a rework for him.

sona: her damage is by no means weak and by no means single target. her heal may be low (ish, only a little low) but its on a short cooldown and also grants a shield.

soraka: her heal heals for a TON - yes it hurts her, but a good soraka will sustain through most of it with her q. she does not have super weak damage, as any ap soraka who knows what shes doing will gladly show you. her silence is aoe, not target (and it also roots at the end) and her heal isn't aoe, it's basically a reverse karthus ult (auto targets allies and heals them).

name: ok, that's not target, its an aoe skillshot. and its a knockup, not a stun. the buff is not to ad, it's to damage and it gives a slow on aa's. her ult, again, is not a stun, it's just a knockup and it has a massive range.

you're right, you really don't need to go on. a lot of your facts were circumstantial, false, and/or had missing key information. utility is not the only thing you want in a support, as Leona's passive and braums shield prove very strongly. supports are about securing kills and keeping your allies alive, not just literally moving pieces around. thresh is a jack of all trades support. you know how in all the fighter games you have guys who are especially strong, or fast, or difficult to kill, and then there's the one guy who's average at everything? that's thresh.

besides, if utility were as dominant over everything else in a support as you say, zilean would be way more popular right now.

Only Play Darius1 votes

He doesn't have a heal in his kit, you are right about that.

Too bad item 3097 is core on him lmfao.

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