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I didn't realize there was a circlejerk going with thresh

I Main Swain·3/29/2015, 10:32:56 PM·5 votes·879 views

All I did was disagree with someone who said thresh is op, and all of a sudden I'm getting raged at and downvoted into oblivion. this guy comes along and rages at me, telling me I'm "picking fights all over", and counters my reasoning of thresh not being op by basically insulting me, saying that thresh is op without any reasoning, and saying the only reason riot wont nerf them is because they like #LCSbigplayz. and meanwhile, HE is getting all sorts of upvotes while any comment of any kind I make gets downvoted.

really people? I would like to hear some actual solid reasoning that thresh is op that A) has nothing to do with the thresh player's skill and B) isn't the case with at least one other support.

Edit: Jelly Mac explains why he isn't over powered a lot better than I do. for those of you who don't want to bother to scroll down and read, he basically says that while thresh can do just about anything any support can do, he doesn't do any one thing better than a support that specializes in that style of support. also, I will send a link to the post on which I argued with the guy, as requested. I will let you judge which of us was right in terms of who was being the overall douche bag, and I would honestly like to know (in a polite way) if it was me because I don't really see how I was being rude in any way before he made that first comment. the first comment I responded to was the first one, and the argument starts with Shinjusuke.

edit 2: I have 1 more comment after his last reply that you'll have to hit the see more option to see.

14 Comments

Only Play Darius3/29/2015, 11:41:22 PM6 votes

He isn't necessarily OP, it's just that he brings the fighter problem to the support role because he has a generalist kit. He has decent ranged damage, infinitely stacking tankiness, a pull/stun, gapcloser, AOE knockback, and can grant long-range mobility to his teammates.

It was the similar problem with Kayle, the other support/fighter in the game, and she got nerfed/reworked because of it.

Thresh doesn't have very much of:

The raw displacement power of Alistar Blitzcrank

The "Buff your ADC" qualities of Sona Nami The super stunlock of Leona The peeling/disengage of Janna Morgana The "Don't let your ADC die" kit of Soraka Zilean The bodyguard/meatshield potential of Braum Taric The zoning capabilities of Lux Karma

Instead, Thresh has a little of each of the above qualities, which means he isn't good at any one thing, but can be obnoxious to play against because he can adapt his build and/or strategy continuously throughout the game.

disregardable3/29/2015, 10:35:24 PM5 votes

There isn't one? No one with any experience with this game would argue that Thresh is OP. Maybe they were a little heavy-handed with his kit's utility, but he's one of the most balanced champions in the game.

USG Morta3/29/2015, 10:41:50 PM4 votes

While i don't think he's "omg op" or whatever, he is a fairly safe pick that works great with most teamcomps, he has a lot of utility and gets free offensive and defensive stats from his passive so even if he doesn't build super tanky its difficult to punish him for making bad plays. He missed a hook? oh well if you try to engage while its down, he still has flay and box to peel with. He followed up on a hook that his team wasn't in position to help with? oh well he dropped a lantern and now someone else is in your face while the rest of the team re-positions. Etc.

DrathTurtle3143/29/2015, 10:53:27 PM3 votes

He has control. Lots of control, he can control his position with the second activation of his death sentence, he can control his enemy's position with the first activation of death sentence and the activation of flay, he can control his teammate's position with his dark passage, he can keep you where he wants you with the box. In short, he has control.

Blitz can pull his enemy Leona can pull herself Kalista (not support) can pull her teammate J4 (not support) can trap everyone

He's not broken, but he is very powerful.

Killer of Poros3/30/2015, 5:34:10 AM2 votes

He's a powerful support that pushes out all the other supports that fit a niche while he fills in most of them while not giving up much for it.

Wirius3/30/2015, 12:55:36 PM1 votes

He's overpowered for a SUPPORT. OP doesn't just mean damage or unkillableness (new word). Lets see, he has a:

  1. Grab-A CC that in all Mobas is considered one of the most powerful abilities. It is a stun, AND a forced move to another player. VERY powerful. Wide hitbox.
  2. A knockback with decent range-Another stun AND forced move. Wide hitbox, hard to miss.
  3. Can teleport to the enemy if he lands his grab-bonus! This is a choice. More choice is more power to adapt. More power to adapt is well...more power.
  4. Has a shield
  5. Can teleport one teammate to a location an average of 2-3 times the range of flash
  6. Has a mega AOE slow.
  7. Has ranged harrass-melee supports do not have this
  8. Is a ranged champ, so the lack of armor early is a non-factor
  9. Gets free AP and armor scaling just for laning, and is irrelevant to how many teammates are in lane.

Finally, mobility is the end all be all in this game. Its the most powerful thing you can put on a champ. Thresh has ton of mobility and anti-mobility.

Now lets compare to other supports.

Blitz

  1. Grab-slightly faster than Thresh's
  2. Knock up-stun, no movement
  3. AOE silence

Leona

  1. Stun and teleport to champ, doesn't move other champ.
  2. Stun, no movement
  3. AOE stun-but usually just a slow
  4. NOT ranged, so must get in and harrass.
  5. Tanky

Taric

  1. Duel heal
  2. Stun, no movement
  3. Team armor buff, enemy debuff
  4. Team buff ad ap
  5. Oh yeah, melee again

Sona

  1. Weak single damage
  2. Low aoe heal
  3. aoe movespeed
  4. Team stun

Soraka

  1. Heal-hurts herself
  2. Targeted aoe silence
  3. Weak damage
  4. AOE heal

Nami

  1. Targeted stun-no movement
  2. Buff to attack damage
  3. Heal/damage
  4. Large aoe knock up-stun, no movement
  5. Can boost movement to person she casts on

Do I need to go on? Supports aren't damage or tankyness but UTILITY. Check the list. Who has the most utility? Who has the most USEFUL utitility over the long game to adapt to any circumstance? Thresh. The only uitility he doesn't have is a heal. Thus, if utility is the standard for supports, Thresh is the pinnacle OP support in the game.

IcyPepper3/30/2015, 5:37:59 AM1 votes

shrugs

Everyone's entitled to their opinions. If someone rages at you to defend their opinion and bash yours, what's the point? Neither of you are going to convince the other of anything.

My opinion on Thresh? He's... relatively balanced, I'd say. I used to hate him (used to main Sona, and since he's one of her counters... yeah), but I learned to deal with him and eventually played a game just to see how easy/hard it'd be play. His hook has a slight delay, so it's not that easy to land, and his ult/E are pretty close range. Seems like a lot of his power budget went into his passive and lantern, and a little bit into his hook. His ultimate is pretty fine compared to other supports.

Though, in my opinion, he's countered by Lulu and Janna thanks to their disengage and poking tools.

Ariaflux3/30/2015, 6:04:13 AM1 votes

I don't think he's overpowered, but he is definitely crowding out other supports by having a consistently high pick rate. Since inception, he has had a ~20% pick rate across all ranks which rose to ~30% by the end of 2013, and remained there till now, spiking to almost 50% at some points in time. This is even higher in higher ranks, with him have 40% pick rate right now at Platinum+ compared to 30% at all ranks. This is what people hated Lee Sin for, I'm curious why Thresh is immune.

P.S. Why not link the thread and your post instead of typing it out? Context is important.

Croslee3/30/2015, 11:55:08 AM1 votes

Thresh is Riot's masterpiece

Eleshakai3/30/2015, 12:13:30 PM1 votes

Thresh is a 'perfect' champ. He has everything strong enough to be viable. It's not that he's OP, it's just that he has no weakness and strengths in every category. So he's not like release Xin who just warps the game around him... but he is broken. No champ should have EVERYTHING.

In terms of laning viability, the only thing Thresh doesn't offer is sustain, and he offers a shield to take the place of sustain, so it isn't really needed. In terms of lategame, he functions with literally every type of teamcomp.

I think if they just removed the bonus damage from his autoattacks, he'd be okay 'cause then he'd have a weakness: poke... but I don't see it happening.