Honor bands are really hard to earn

Axests·Sep 29, 2015·74 votes·4,127 views

i mean hell i get one to two every game and have over 1k total and i only held onto one once BEFORE the change to make getting honor bands more difficult.

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SmokedAlmondsSep 29, 20155 votes

The honor system didn't work very well and was essentially abandoned. When they first released it everyone basically honored everyone that they didn't report. Tons of people got ribbons. Then as the novelty wore of people stopped giving honor. Most people, except for the most positive(even some of them), lost their ribbons just because no one was honoring anymore. Since it uses a similar, if not the same, weight system that reports use. It left a situation where only a few people honor but because not enough people are doing it for those people to actually get a ribbon. So the people left who actually give honor have theirs worth very little. Almost everyone I see that has a ribbon says something like "honor for all" in post game which leds to getting honors from people who don't normally do it so their honor weight is high.

They have talked about revamping honor with the upcoming tribunal update. So people will be voting on positive players(honor) as well as negative cases(reports). I'm curious to see what they do with it though.

xFrostKnightxSep 30, 20153 votes

The problem now is there's less reason to honour someone. Sure you'll meet a few people like myself who will honour 1 enemy per game and 1 teammate.

"why should I honour someone I might never meet again? " Is the mindset most people have who will just click "play again" without honouring.

WatamoteSep 29, 20154 votes

They are very hard to obtain and very easy to lose. I lost my green band because I replied back to someone with a bad attitude. I didn't flame, didn't use any slang, offensive words, just pointed out what he did was wrong. Same thing happened to a friend, too.

kurthl33tSep 29, 20152 votes

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They are very hard to obtain and very easy to lose. I lost my green band because I replied back to someone with a bad attitude. I didn't flame, didn't use any slang, offensive words, just pointed out what he did was wrong. Same thing happened to a friend, too.

Whoa whoa whoa... you can LOSE them?

...Now I'm scared. I LIKE my ribbon!

RasCaelestisSep 30, 20152 votes

Aye. I used to have green, then it changed to gold, then blue, then back to green, then nothing. I don't know what happened, but I logged on one day and it was just gone. I've never been banned, and I'm far from toxic, so I don't know what could have caused it to disappear. I miss my ribbons. :\

To give a bit of context, my current honour reports say that I have 296 for Friendly, 109 for Helpful, 2210 for Teamwork, and 582 for Honourable Opponent.

DaenSep 29, 20154 votes

Unless it's reworked, I think it's safe to say Honor was a failed initiative, from the perspective of whether or not it accomplished its design goals. Legitimately positive players have a very hard time obtaining Crests, it's insanely easy to abuse, and it has a ton of clarity problems in how it's calculated/maintained.

FluxBoundSep 29, 20154 votes

How is it easy to be abused? even if it is, what would you get from abusing it? You already said crests are hard to obtain, so what else are you gonna get?

DaenSep 29, 20153 votes

what would you get from abusing it

An abuse case doesn't have to necessarily result in any particular value to be abuse, they are somewhat independent concepts. That being said, Crests are essentially the end-point of the Honor system, and it's far easier to get them by trading honor or playing certain game modes than it is to just play normally and be generally positive.

Abuse might not be the best term, overall, it's more that Crests are massively disproportionate in how they are obtained. As far as I'm aware the vast majority of them are from Co-Op vs AI games, and since very few people in normal/ranked 5s give out Honor any more the crests become harder to obtain the more you play.

Something else to consider is the fact that it seems that the game state affects Honor distribution more than positivity. I tend to get quite a bit more Honor when I'm playing well than when I'm doing average or sub-par, and that's not really supposed to be the point of the system.

SociopathFriendSep 30, 20153 votes

I had one for a bit and then lost it too- I was pretty bummed about that because I try really hard to be a good team-player and I lost my ribbon purely because people stopped caring enough to reward it. My play style and attitude didn't change- people just stopped caring about the honor.

GileneasSep 29, 20152 votes

They were a good idea at first, but then Riot made them almost impossible to get because the more honors an account gave out to players, the less those honors actually helped.

Additionally I'm fairly certain that if you've ever been given any kind of punishment by Riot, the system makes you ineligible. Could be how it was but not anymore, or I could be flat wrong.

SH AzykanSep 29, 20152 votes

on LAN it is super easy to get them (rocking the "Helpful" one on my account there) The only one I managed on NA was honorable opponent...It just seems like people in NA dont spend the time to honor people, they just want to instantly get to whatever is next (be it a game or logging out or whatever)

jalingoSep 30, 20151 votes

Actually, I have a teamwork one, and I see people with them every now and then. I guess if you are honored frequently you play with others like you? Because I also don't play with many people that are toxic... maybe every 10 ranked and 20 teambuilder/normals.

TDJ VicarlSep 29, 20151 votes

why would it matter as long as your not toxic?

AxestsSep 29, 201522 votes

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why would it matter as long as your not toxic?

doesn't really, i just wanted to point out that they're very difficult to obtain, so if you see one in game you can assume that it means something.

TDJ VicarlSep 29, 20152 votes

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doesn't really, i just wanted to point out that they're very difficult to obtain, so if you see one in game you can assume that it means something.

isnt that what rito wants?

ReymonadeSep 30, 201510 votes

The problem is that nobody ever thinks about honoring. We should have to choose a mvp in post game.

Troll for TrumpSep 30, 20154 votes

I remember back in s3 where there was "honor all" and "pls honor" N stuff. I had a green ribbon twice. Then, everything changed, when the false chat restriction wave happened(They had a giant ban wave which hit several wrong people by accident. This was when they JUST implemented the first version of it)

AheadatimeSep 29, 20156 votes

Because for some people, it matters. I have a teamwork badge that I earned by being very friendly in chat all the time and pinging/warding like crazy. I'm proud of it and if someone else is a good teammate very consistently, then they'd be proud to get the badge too. For some people, little things like this matter. It makes their account 'theirs'.

TDJ VicarlSep 29, 20152 votes

not really you shouldn't be constantly rewarded for doing the normal obvious thing

MysticFlameHazeSep 30, 20152 votes

lol why are you so against people just getting a cool little ribbon on their boarder? you should be rewarded for it because that's the whole reason they have the honor system, so you get rewarded for it.

TDJ VicarlSep 30, 20151 votes

im not against it he saying its to hard and takes to long not to mention if the only reason you act like a normal person is just for rewards you don't deserve it

MysticFlameHazeSep 30, 20151 votes

hmmm, i get honors almost everyday, i had the ribbon once and then it went away although i was still getting honors, if not hard I think the system needs to be readjusted. i've got like 500 team works but don't get anything, and get friendly pretty often in aram. the only time i've been warned about my toxicness was around level 8. been 2 years since then. I'm not toxic. lol. just sayin

TDJ VicarlOct 1, 20152 votes

Im saying you DON'T deserve a reward for doing the right thing.

MysticFlameHazeOct 1, 20151 votes

Ok, i agree with you on that.

Daedalus871Sep 29, 20151 votes

I use to have one.

Having some spare digital toilet paper was nice, even if I only had to use it once.

AxestsSep 29, 20152 votes

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I use to have one.

Having some spare digital toilet paper was nice, even if I only had to use it once.

i know that feel bro, it's like when you have a legacy skin for a champion and then you get their cool new skin giving you no reason to play the old one ;p

BiffoloSep 30, 20151 votes

looks at kassadin

Blade of JusticSep 29, 20151 votes

I used to bounce between "Helpful" and "Teamwork" before it got changed.

Now, I just hope I don't get "Honorable Opponent".

People only seem to give those out if they absolutely demolish your team.

Maximum MordeSep 29, 20151 votes

It was obvious to me from the outset that this would happen. Anyone who knows about human behavior and/or survey methodology would have expected this. Let's say human behavior is ranked 0-10 from bad to good. Since people tend to respond to negative stimuli stronger than positive, you would expect anyone who felt your behavior was 4 or lower to be pretty likely to report you. Meanwhile, to get the same positive response and get honored, you'd need them to feel your behavior was like a 9 or 10 for it to be as noticeable as even the slightly below average behavior of a 4.

Being as Lyte and his team are not stupid, I have to assume this was by design. Or maybe they were all High and didn't think about it.

IsmokeOreganoSep 29, 20151 votes

oh... so thats why mine went away item 3070

RespectPlusSep 30, 20152 votes

I smoke oregano hauhauhau

Trading AcesSep 29, 20151 votes

I once had the golden honor band. Then my internet was wonkey for about a week or two and I was reported afk before I could reconnect. I was subsequently banned for a short period of time. I cried inside. Then I embraced the toxic and now... I dgaf (I'm actually still crying inside).

Bouffon dAnglaisSep 29, 20151 votes

"Toxicity is like gravity. All it takes is a little... PUSH!"

KoKobotoSep 29, 20151 votes

Yeah and once you get higher ELO people don't really honour anymore, they just chill and move onto next game win or loss

AlleoSep 29, 20151 votes

TFW you don't even know how much of any you need before getting a band.

SmokedAlmondsSep 29, 20151 votes

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TFW you don't even know how much of any you need before getting a band.

The number of honors you receive doesn't really matter. Each has its own value based on who gave it to you.

AlleoSep 29, 20151 votes

That makes it even more confusing

FostXTVSep 29, 20151 votes

I owned Mentor ribbon after getting 5 helpful honors. I had to go to Summer Vacation for 3 weeks and I was unable to connect and play so Riot just took it for no reason. When I sent them a message they said "Earn it again.". Like wth Rito I worked hard for it..

Absolute0ChaosSep 29, 20151 votes

I always remind people to honour at the end of the game.

I have 2 ribbons, or got 2, as it only shows the rarest one.

gubigubiSep 30, 20151 votes

Yeah they need to reduce how hard it is to get them again. It's pretty much impossible to get them at all. At one point or another I had each one at one point but I think I never had helpful. Now i never get them ever because higher level and higher rank people do not give them out as much.

UPfreelySep 30, 20151 votes

when i first started playing i had all 3 bands. they quickly die off if you don't get the honors regularly.

DynamiteGazelleSep 30, 20151 votes

Before I hit level 30 I had had 3 out of the 4 honor bands at one point or another, but then I took a break from the game for a while and they were gone when I came back.

When I was pre-30 I saw sooooo many people with honor bands. They must be given to pre-30s more easily.

XietninSep 30, 20151 votes

At this point, the best way to farm the bands is to have everyone in the group you play with honor you every game. I played with a group that Teamwork honored themselves after every game. Needless to say, every time I play with them, I think their collective favorite color is green because of their diligence in sustaining their Teamwork ribbons.

AIIanSep 30, 20151 votes

I wonder if the stats are different from one region to another and it would be neat if a red could post some data about it there. I play on EUW (but only read NA board, EUW board is so dead...) and receive honor on a regular basis (between 1 and 2 Teamwork per game). It seems like I gain less honor when we're utterly crushed by the ennemies compared to a standard win from our side, but I still happen to get some (usually, I assume, from my support, since I tend to play a lot of adc). This might be totally different on NA.

Also, I wonder if the efforts to promote positivity in LoL carry on the player to other games ? Like, are Smite's player who play LoL on a regular basis less likely to flame than Smite's "core" players ?

BorblandSep 30, 20151 votes

Yeah, had two, one stayed like a month, shortly after the implemantation of honor, the other dispeared in days.

Laughing FishSep 30, 20151 votes

I have a Green ribbon. Just play Gentlemen Cho'Gath, talk like a gentlemen all game long, and you will get it in no time. http://media.giphy.com/media/O0qcxJrLC1wIw/giphy.gif

Great PyreneesSep 30, 20151 votes

Hey buddy let me do you a solid.

I am a expert on badges I have had one since it launched.

Here is my guide I hope you like it =)

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3235021

RamboDash15Sep 30, 20151 votes

I've been awarded all 4 banners in season 3, even got teamwork twice, but right now I don't have a banner. It's quite odd too and at this point I've given up on ever getting one back.

T RexHasTinyArmsSep 30, 20151 votes

The issue is really only that it is top % on the server rather than in particular ques (ie if you receive honor in ranked it counts as ranked honor and top % of players in terms of ranked honor get a badge rather than top % of server). This results in the majority of honor badges being on players who primarily play things like bots games bc there is a decent amount of honor when people are being friendly and almost never reports in bots games. Honestly if it was a system where the players who were top 10% of honor in particular game modes/ques it would be way easier to get in general bc you wouldn't be restricted to particular types of games and have to have stupid high honor numbers. At least I think that's still how it works. Maybe they changed it away from server wide comparison, but I don't think they have.