This Is Exactly What I Mean By Cannot Carry

Roll in Grass··1 votes·1,016 views

How did we not win?!

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Drunk Rummate3 votes

Carry harder.

You weren't csing as well as you could have been. You should have had that farm at 25 minutes, not 32.

Here's an example of a 26 minute game I played the last time I was on ranked. I'm by no means perfect but I can at least see some major differences between my game and yours. http://puu.sh/cu8vx/ed398ce666.jpg

Note the CS differences between my team and yours. Feel free to ignore our terrible mid that we carried. I was level 17 in 26 minutes that game because despite being ahead, I continued to farm for experience and gold to snowball my advantage. I took their top inhibitor, bottom outer, mid outer, and mid inner turrets all by myself while my team distracted/defended. You can't snowball a lead if you aren't farming properly because you'll never get the exp advantage that you need to win 2v1s and 3v1s. Sure, you can be strong enough to win any 1v1, but if your team is doing very poorly that's often not enough to carry a game.

I'm by no means good at this game. I hardly even consider myself competitive - I only play ranked on the weekends and not even every weekend. But this game is not difficult to play at a competent level. Anyone can get kills and get fed out of their mind, it takes knowledge and strategy to actually use that advantage properly to win games.

Roll in Grass1 votes

I was jungler ganking too much to farm. How do you recommend I go about farming while ganking for lanes to catch up?

Drunk Rummate1 votes

I was jungler ganking too much to farm. How do you recommend I go about farming while ganking for lanes to catch up?

Well I can't know for sure because I didn't spectate, but there's a number of things it might be.

It's possible you were spending too much time in lanes to gank. You should farm based off of your conservation stacks. If you're ganking with 80 stacks then you're wasting gold. In the time you get an assist in lane you could clear wight and wolves and get 200+ gold and ~250 experience. Another good rule of thumb could be to just farm a camp every time your smite is up at a minimum. You took that summoner spell for a reason, so use it. It has a pretty short cooldown!

Don't get me wrong, kills are good, but they aren't guaranteed and they give diminishing returns. Jungle farm is guaranteed gold and experience and so you should work in a routine that means you're clearing camps as optimally as possible - and that means using your jungle item properly. Take a moment to watch a high level jungler stream sometime and watch how often they farm. It might surprise you. Nightblue is really good about using his conservation stacks at all stages of the game, for example.

Also keep in mind that if you gank for a teammate and you don't get a kill, you're leeching experience and possibly gold from him while you're in lane. This will actually set them behind their opponent if you don't secure them a distinct advantage before you leave.

As a jungler it's your job to watch the map and guard undefended turrets. This is where you can soak up a lot of extra farm. If your teammate is nowhere near a turret and you see a large minion wave approaching it, go get that experience and gold before the turret eats it. Don't take this the wrong way and take CS that your laner would otherwise have gotten in time though. Good players will often set up a lane to push exactly how they want before recalling. If you see a wave slow pushing your turret and your teammate will get back in time, leave it be.

Roll in Grass1 votes

Thanks for the advice! :D It helped a lot, a little too much >~> I decided to start picking up Madstone Godyr Jungle and my laners were struggling, but as soon as I came out of that jungle 30 minutes in with 209 cs and 34 feral flare stacks (along with half my build) we quickly caught up and won x3

I took your advice the wrong way though. I only farmed and never ganked; even sacraficed towers for the sake of the Feral Flare. Surprisingly we still won though =_=

disregardable2 votes

Your KDA isn't what classifies something as "carrying". You need to obviously be the most important person in that game.

ValyrianBlade2 votes

Assuming you're talking about mundo, you weren't even fed. It doesn't matter if as a jungler you get a good KDA if you're not farming enough to get a gold/level lead and simultaneously your ganks aren't snowballing any of your lanes to a gold/level lead.

Both of your solo laners had poor KDAs and matched you in level, one of them exceeded you in gold.

You can't carry if you don't have an advantage to press. From the looks of things, there was one weak player on the enemy team that you fed off of to the point that they weren't worth gold, and you were just padding your KDA instead of pressing objectives.

Wasted Smurf1 votes

but he's jungle. But I don't think that's him, it's in korean.

Squirvizard1 votes

You're bad, kid.

RUM N C0KE1 votes

Depends with hec and yi i usually pull 200+ cs every game and 10+ kills usually so im ganking quite a bit. You need to get that CS up so you can build items and have the level advantage over the enemy team like nasreth said.

Pryotra1 votes

This is that game.

You didn't have map awareness. While you were pushing their mid, they were taking both baron and dragon uncontested. They then ganked, and pushed for the win.

They also had a great bot lane, where they were repeatedly just taking out your Cait. You shoulda been there to snatch some weaves.

As far as builds go, you were putting that gold towards... what offensive capability? If you aren't being focused that much, you should get some more damage! Honestly, you had so little damage that while you certainly were hard to kill, all your gold went to being harder to kill. Why should they try if you don't do that much damage? At the end of the day, Mundo's have to make a reason to be focused. I find a great way to do this on him is get the Atmog's combo. Makes him hard to kill, but someone you can't ignore as he can take towers or champions quickly if ignored. After that, just build Resists and more HP.

Roll in Grass1 votes

Mundo needs no offensive capabilities. His cleaver takes out like 20% of your health, his E gives you a shit ton of AD. I was killing people and chunking them like it was nothing, really. Mundo needs 0 offensive items.

Pryotra1 votes

Clearly it wasn't enough, otherwise they would have had more reason to focus you! Seriously though, the entire enemy team did more damage than you, with Thresh being the example that proves the rule. It seems that you were not really being active in attempting to fight the enemy outside of tossing cleavers, as that is where the bulk of your damage to champions is. As mundo, You NEED to be in their face, and doing enough that they have no choice but to do something about it.

This still doesn't excuse your lack of wards, map awareness, or lack of weave snatching.

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