A Message to My Fellow ADC Mains and to My Dearest Supports

Roll in Grass·3/23/2016, 12:15:38 PM·118 votes·8,639 views

ADCs: Please stop being assholes to your supports. The relationship between ADCs and Supports right now is pretty much a domestic violence relationship, and I'm tired of watching it happen. Numerous times in all-chat per day do I see abusive statements from the enemy adc to their support, and all I can say is: "Fuck you abusive adcs." Without your support, you are absolutely nothing. If you're 12-1-4 and your support is 0-7-14 then you take all the credit or call your support a feeder, you are scum. Your support is the one that got you fed, not you. If your support didn't peel for you, provide you with utility, cc the enemy, or tank all of their damage, you would be the one feeding and/or you wouldn't be fed whatsoever. Oh, you have 104 cs at 10 minutes (yes, this is possible, though I know it's an over-exaggerative sentence)? Tell me more about how your support is useless. Your support is the one that allowed you to get that cs. Without them being there to pressure the enemy off of you or give you the utility to survive the lane so you could farm, you wouldn't even have nearly as much cs as you have. Don't think I'm right? Go ahead, ask your support to leave lane and to go support mid. Tell me how much cs you have at 10 minutes. Tell me how many kills and deaths you have at 10 minutes. My guess: Less than 70, 0 and 2. Don't think I'm right? Go ahead, you engage the fight, not your support. I want you to walk up to the enemy and autoattack them with your support sitting behind you (unless you have a Soraka support >~>). Tell me who ends up winning the fight. So, stop being an asshole and give your support the credit. I challenge you ADC mains out there to give your supports as many compliments as you can think of today. "Thanks for warding, Lulu :)", "Oh my gosh Thresh, your peeling was incredible that fight!", "Without you, I couldn't have gotten fed, Braum :3". I challenge you ADC mains out there to be kind and respectful to your supports when you want something done today. "Hey Lulu, could you go ward over there for us please? :)", "Alright Thresh, I'd love to see some awesome peeling for you!", "I know you're going to do a good job carrying me Braum :3". I challenge you ADC mains out there to not make a single toxic comment today. No calling gg because you lost lane, fed first blood, or someone else on the team is feeding; no flaming your support or anyone on the team for making a mistake (we're human, we're not perfect); no calling someone bad because they're having a bad game (you've had bad games too). I challenge you ADC mains out there to thank your support for carrying you at the end of the game, or if they played poorly forgive them and encourage them that they'll do better next game. At the end of the day, report back to me your winrate and how much better your supports played.

Supports: I love you, and I'm sorry for the poor treatment a lot of ADC players out there give you. This toxic community has made you guys feel underappreciated, and a lot of support mains died off because of it. However, keep in mind that not all ADCs are the same, and there are a few of us out there that understand the work you've done for us and appreciate every single bit of effort you've put in. It's a hard life for you supports: You wake up everyday and get onto your laptop or computer to play some League of Legends, and instead of being happy that you're about to play such an amazing game and gain some elo, you're letting out a deep sigh and frowning whilst dejectedly queueing up for a League match wondering why you even play support anymore, knowing that you're just going to get harassed and/or verbally abused by your ADCs and lose more elo. That's why I'm making this post--to try to make a difference. Unfortunately, not every ADC will see this, and chances are the ones that do you won't see in game later, so if you're a Gold 3+ elo support with either Skype, Curse Voice, Teamspeak, and/or Discord and at least a 52% winrate, go ahead and add me in-game and I'll make sure you don't have to deal with those toxic ADCs. I'll give you a relaxing day of fun and elo gains, and give you all the compliments you deserve. If you don't meet my requirements, go ahead and add me in-game anyway! We can be friends and play some normal games together sometime! I'm always looking for League of Legends friends, and maybe we can even form a club together; a club where positive ADCs and Supports can meet and queue together to have a fun, healthy environment :). And don't forget, there are those of us out there who understand your hard work and appreciate it. Don't lose hope and quit playing support, we need you! <3

http://i.imgur.com/0yuye5f.jpg IGN: Roll in Grass Gold 2 elo Twitch main

EDIT: Holy shit this post is blowing up. So hard to keep up with and reply to all of the comments! EDIT2: I'm going to take a nap, so unfortunately I won't be able to continue keeping up with all of the comments and talk to my fellow summoners. I bid you all farewell, for now! ^~^ "Good luck in SoloQ, and have a wonderful day." EDIT3: Sorry guys, when I came back from my nap there were +54 comments and I cannot go through all of those. I responded to as many as I can, but I'm sorry if you got left out. I'll do my best to respond to new comments.

185 Comments

Allahu Barackbar3/23/2016, 3:37:39 PM15 votes

As a fellow ADC player and former support main, I completely agree with you man! Supports do not get the credit they deserve; but I always try to make my own Support feel appreciated. I rarely ever praise myself; I always praise my supports first whenever I have a successful game...because without them, I'd be nothing. We ADCs are lion cubs; one day destined to lead the Pride (team), and the Supports are our mothers, who nurture us to achieve that goal. Thank you all support mains out there! <3

Totalis3/23/2016, 10:49:28 PM9 votes

as an adc main, im so fucking sick of supports playing the victim; the good guy who always gets snubbed. When my support is the reason im fed, ill admit it and tell them good job. When they played really well, I'll tell them. Maybe im not really a good example because I treat my supports well so I don't really know what they deal with when dealing with an asshole adc, but its also equally as foolhardy to put these guys on pedestals as saints and martyrs.

I've had supports who go to ward river brush when we're under tower. I've had supports who go in lvl 1 on the enemy team, somehow forgetting that they can be attacked. Or how about when they purposefully attack minions to prevent me from csing. Hell, i've had games where my support was the completely toxic asshole who decided to go in when the enemy adc is a bf up on me because somebody had decided to ward the brush when we just had seen the enemy jungler toplane, and he got surprised when the enemy cc'd him down, and then blamed me for the reason why the enemy had just gotten a double kill.

"your support is the one who got you fed". Ha! supports help. my support and I have worked together tons of times to get kills, and its great when my support helps me, because I need them. But they're not the one the only one dealing all the damage and making plays

had a game two days ago where my support janna would just randomly shield me, and it was on me to make use out of it, and get good poke down before it expires. This janna was a good player, and ended the game like 0/0/12. But youre supposed to shield me when I go in for a trade, not as I'm just standing there csing. I basically won that lane by myself, with janna just being there so I didnt get zoned by the morg and getting cheesed. Luckily, the janna was good and played well after the lane phase and saved my butt a couple of times, but they're not these tragic heroes that need to be thanked for all their hard work.

So stop it.

Icy Hot Shoto3/23/2016, 8:13:02 PM8 votes

As a support main, I can tell you the ADC isn't always the only one complaining about the support. I had a jungler get mad at me for not leaving lane with my adc. My adc was at like 10 health that game, the enemy was dead and the lane was sadly pushing to our turret. Our jungler was busy enemy blue side jungle so I stayed in lane to clear minions best I could as Sona and went back when my adc came back after telling him to be careful until I got back.

Anyways, last night I had a game as Leona support with a Lucian adc. Enemy was a Brand and an Ashe. At one point they engaged on us and I literally froze. I panicked so hard that all I did was press buttons and left click. We won the fight with both of us surviving with my ult randomly going off just behind their dead bodies. This was the following chat:

Leona: ._. i legit froze and pressed buttons. Lucian: well it worked lol

I wanted to rejoice at how he wasn't an ass saying that I shouldn't play if I'm going to suddenly freeze. So, to that random Lucian I thank you for being awesome.

As well as to all ADC's who aren't donkeys to their supports. TY all for making my job easy and also warding WITH me and not expecting me to do all the work. After all, I can only place 3 stealth wards and 1 pink. Even though I tend to buy 2 pink wards lmao [slayer-jinx-catface]

LukeStormwalker3/23/2016, 4:12:44 PM7 votes

Finally! Someone who gets it! I am a Twitch ADC main, and that gives people the wrong idea, and immediately assume I'm a jerk. My friend mains Tahm Kench support, and there is too many times to count where he's died to save my life, make sure I got away safely. I honestly don't understand how most ADCs don't understand or appreciate this. Please ADCs, don't be jerks to your team, and anyone who isn't ADC, please don't make assumptions immediately that your ADC is jerk. League is a game made for everyone to have a fun time. Please try to make sure that everybody does!

SteeIHeart3/23/2016, 11:06:45 PM4 votes

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Raxicor3/24/2016, 5:57:44 AM3 votes

It's funny how many people are missing the point of this thread. Be nice to your team, it will pay off. :) Supports are a smaller group of people so sometimes it's okay to give them a pat on the back. If your support or heck anyone is raging there's probably a reason. We all make mistakes. And if you suspect it's purposeful abuse there is a report button after game.

Be safe, friends.

Azure Dancer3/23/2016, 1:51:58 PM3 votes

Or both don't need to say a thing. At least you know you did well and he knows you helped him.

WakkaSeta3/23/2016, 8:24:17 PM3 votes

People these days need compliments and acknowledgement just to perform their roles properly?

Liquid Children3/24/2016, 1:01:13 AM3 votes

It's not even exclusively the adc anymore, its literally everyone. I, a support main, get flamed nearly every game for their not being enough wards, not sacrificing myself for my teammates, roaming mid everyone once in a while, etc... This patch is by far the worst time in league history to be a support player, if not the lowest point in league history in general. Ward limit and the removal of green wards made supports progressively worse until we arrive at the sorry state its in know. Combined with blanket nerfs for support masteries/champs/etc and the current bullshit meta/balance, this game is nigh unplayable for a support main.

alfavhunter3/23/2016, 6:29:29 PM2 votes

As a support main who can play many supports (and even non meta supports) with success I thank you

I've had adc that rage at me for being a shaco support but then... They usually kite the assassin trying to kill them away from my boxes... I can't save them if they won't use the tools I provide them

I've had adcs that refuse to go in when I shield them as Janna, it's hard somethings

But then I also get the adc that actually knows what they are doing, and of those adc I usually get a 50/50 on if they recognize what I contribute

Bad ADC will always blaim others for thier mistake, a good adc will recognize thier mistake and fix it while at times recognizing that someone saved them from failure for that mistake

I once played a game as Janna with a bad adc who kept running in against a Draven Leona (it was a jinx) and died twice then "rage quit", so I'm not alone holding the tower and thier jungler comes to 3v1

I got a triple kill from outplaying them so hard (I died to red buff after), but hay the rage quit jinx that blaimed me for her deaths before she left was clearly right, it was me that was bad...

But that's lol for you, GGs and BGs

Asudurga3/23/2016, 1:48:35 PM2 votes

I love going as an unconventional ADC, specifically Yasuo and I was vs Nautilus and Draven with my trusty support Malphite. This magnificent bastard tanked, ccd and ulted for those sweet synergy ults. Thanks to him I went 19/8/8.

DorkunedAuras3/23/2016, 3:52:12 PM2 votes

I once had a game where things got confused in champ select (this was pre dynamic queue), and I ended up thinking i was top when really I was support. Unfortunately, I didn't know this until too late, and ended up as Rek'Sai support (I was gonna take her top, sue me).

Huge props to my ADC here, they played along. They accepted the shit that happened, and rolled with me.

One bot lane massacre later, I'm 6/0/9, and fed enough to solo anyone on their team despite being a "support".

I know most ADCs would complain about having a Rek'Sai support.

P.S. My friend who is a blitzcrank main and I, Rek'Sai main, occasionally do Blitz'Sai bot lane. It's yet to lose lane, and I end up building enough scary to just take over the game.

Robbit Mang3/24/2016, 3:09:35 AM2 votes

gold 2 ezreal/twitch main, and i dont type anything except gj whenever something good happens. i rage all the time IRL but i dont say anything, and since i play adc i guess ive never witnessed this support hate? in fact, when i play often the support is being toxic and i just dont reply to anything they say.

I hate my ADC3/24/2016, 5:27:15 AM2 votes

If you'd have started with:

[{quoted}](name=Roll in Grass,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BGVBtFWJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-03-23T12:15:38.177+0000)

Riot: ­­Please stop being assholes to your supports. The relationship between Riot and Supports right now is pretty much a domestic violence relationship, and I'm tired of watching it happen.

I'd say you'd be on to something. As a main support, I see more appreciative ADCs than I see abusive ones nowadays and I am much more concerned by how Riot treat support like shit this season. The complete lack of regards toward the support role by all the changes being made to the game is what make me feel underappreciated. Not some kid behind a PC playing Ezreal.

ValyrianBlade3/23/2016, 11:03:49 PM2 votes

A support can be good or bad, just like an ADC.

I feel like this rep exists because Supports are generally nicer players, they won't call out an ADC for being bad as often. So you only ever see it going against the support.

That doesn't mean it doesn't go both ways, nor does it mean you can't get fed and carry with a completely useless support.

I've had games where I can't get a kill in lane, my support dies a couple times, and while I say nothing i know my support is REALLY bad. Then while the support is dead (0/2/0, I'm 0/0/0) I get tower dove and get a double kill. Don't tell me my support died on purpose to bait the tower dive or some BS like that. My support was awful, I outplayed the tower dive (dodging all of the cc, baiting heal, getting the support who's tanking slowed/snared so they take the extra hit to die while I focus the ADC) and once I got those 2 kills roamed mid and snowballed myself without help from my support.

Does that happen every game? God no. Is the support the reason I get fed most of the times I get fed as ADC? MAYBE. NOT YES, only MAYBE.

I mean, pause, and think about it for a second: If I get fed in 85% of my games as Jinx, is it because of my support or because of me? It's obviously because of me, because odds are I'm not getting a god-like support while my opponent gets a garbage support in 85% of my games.

The bot lane is a 2 player game. More often than not, the winning side is the one with not only better players, but better chemistry between the two, which means that both players succeed together and both fail together (so in the above example, it's actually not my mechanical/strategic ability that lets me get fed 85%, but my ability to develop chemistry with my support).

Which leads to the core problem: I think most of the time that an ADC is raging at his support ISN'T because the support is garbage, but is because this particular ADC and Support don't work well together and the ADC is more vocal about it. They're losing because they're not a good pair, not because either is individually a bad player (most of the time).

I don't rage at supports, but I can tell you the worst ones are those who refuse to let me play my game. In season 5 I hated laning against Graves. I ALWAYS died to him in engages (as Jinx). I told my support at the start of every Graves game that I wanted a farm lane. Every time I got it (i.e. my support didn't try to engage all laning phase) I won lane. No, I didn't get kills, but I got the turret early and had 40+ more farm. Every time I didn't (my support thought they saw a chance and engaged) I died in lane and mostly fell behind and lost.