Fizz/J4

Are fizz or J4 receiving any nerfs anytime soon, i am getting really tired of being 2 shotted.

Fizz just E's and autos, boom it procs lich bane and thunderlords DEAD.

J4 just E, Q and activate your and boom win, your thunderlords finished off what your E,Q, W didn't and gg, literally just face rolled on the keyboard and successfully completed j4's kit.

These champs are too strong and leave 0 counterplay, you can't counter a 2 shot. It's impossible... You die in literally 0.5 to 1 second flat. You only get to flash every once in a while, and what good does going tanky as an ADC do against a fizz? turn a 2 shot into a 3 shot? woopdie fucking doo, real great. MErc scim to get his ult off? Real helpful when all he has to do is E, Auto and he wins.

You can't tell me either-wise either, because iv'e played both champions quite throughly many times, i know exactly how they work, how cheap they are, how broken they are, and how much damage they do with so little effort. I can play fizz with my eyes closed, and build J4 with a titanic and a sunfire and ur set for life for dives!

SO unless ADC's are supposed to build 3 armor items now a days, or 3 MR items, champs like j4 and fizz need to be toned down, they do TOO much with too little.

I mean honestly, there should always be room for counterplay, and getting killed in 0.5 seconds, is just stupid,,,, I guess i have to go as an ADC now just to be able to survive long enough to even shit my pants.....