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How Riot Turned Me Back Into A Toxic Player.

AlphaKappaPika··5 votes·1,989 views

So, 4 months back nearing the end of season 4 I got a 2 week suspension. This suspension really made me think on how to stop being toxic. After it was lifted I was winning more games, and having fun while doing it. Over the past 3 weeks for seemingly NO reason. Ill get chat restricted. then chat restricted again. then chat restricted again, and the most recent chat restriction was 55 games long. Now, I definately am not half as toxic as the players I encounter every game? how can i be getting these restrictions!?!?! Basically I get 1 report. (thing pops up like "you had a negative attitude bitch blah blah blah") and then after a few more games i logged out. logged back in im chat restricted, ranked restricted, and it all seemingly came from 1 report. I just AFKD the THIRD game of the day, ive been EXTREMELY toxic and just. ANGRY for the past few days. And I realized something, it all stemmed from these restrictions. I got a 55 game chat restriction AND A RANKED GAME RESTRICTION IN WHICH I HAVE TO WIN, thats right. WIN 11 MOTHERFUCKING NORMAL DRAFT, thats right "DRAFT" MODE GAMES TO GET BACK INTO RANKED AGAIN. Riot has forced me into this corner and all the anger and frustration and negativity is coarsing through me. and i cant stand people i'll flame at the sight of someone making the slightest hint of a mistake and this all started a few days ago when i got the restrictions. I was once a proud non-toxic (but everyone has bad games) member of the community that tried his best to not flame. Now? im a toxic piece of shit who afks 1 in 3 games and throws his headset on the group everytime he dies. Thanks riot, thanks a lot.

25 Comments

Izbiz3 votes

Pretty sure this is a "you" issue, not a Riot issue.

AlphaKappaPika1 votes

So you are saying my toxicity spiking rapidly in the past 3 days had nothing to do with the restrictions? they also started 3 days ago.

MrPerson103 votes

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So you are saying my toxicity spiking rapidly in the past 3 days had nothing to do with the restrictions? they also started 3 days ago.

He's saying you got butthurt over a video game.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

He got butthurt over competition, just like you get butthurt when you fail at something you care about, especially when it's someone else's fault. It's very reasonable for anyone to get upset over losing a competition. His actions aren't justified, but how he feels absolutely is.

And anyone without some neurological condition denies ever feeling negatively over a loss in any sort of competition, physical or virtual, they're a goddamned liar.

MrPerson101 votes

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He got butthurt over competition, just like you get butthurt when you fail at something you care about, especially when it's someone else's fault. It's very reasonable for anyone to get upset over losing a competition. His actions aren't justified, but how he feels absolutely is.

And anyone without some neurological condition denies ever feeling negatively over a loss in any sort of competition, physical or virtual, they're a goddamned liar.

If he's so absorbed into the game that it affects him outside of it, he needs to lay off and go outside. Maybe find a friend, see a movie, do something productive rather than sitting in mommy's basement letting a video game override his life.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

No one is debating that. I'm pretty sure "His actions aren't justified" covered what you just said. But initially it definitely seemed like you were implying that "No one should ever feel negatively over a video game," which has nothing to do with taking inappropriate action, and I'm willing to bet money you've felt negatively over a video game as well. That was my point to my reply. It's not just a video game, it's a competition, and it's quite fine to feel negative over losing competition.

In the post I made below this one, I say "If something is affecting your mood so long outside of partcipating in it, then you should probably find an alternative activity," so I am agreeing with you to that point.

MrPerson101 votes

I'm not saying it doesn't suck to watch as a single member of your team single handedly throws the last game of your series into Diamond V. Yes, it does. Yes, I feel negatively about it when that happens and I may make a sarcastic remark like "thanks for throwing." But - do I let it effect me outside of the game? No. Why? Because it's a game. A virtual world that allows you to let off some steam, relax, or whatever your reasons for gaming.

If anything meant to be virtual is effecting one's reality that long or that much, one should consider stopping and finding an alternate activity.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

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I'm not saying it doesn't suck to watch as a single member of your team single handedly throws the last game of your series into Diamond V. Yes, it does. Yes, I feel negatively about it when that happens and I may make a sarcastic remark like "thanks for throwing." But - do I let it effect me outside of the game? No. Why? Because it's a game. A virtual world that allows you to let off some steam, relax, or whatever your reasons for gaming.

If anything meant to be virtual is effecting one's reality that long or that much, one should consider stopping and finding an alternate activity.

A competition is a competition, whether virtual or physical. Not all virtual games are meant to be relaxing, many of them are meant to be mentally invigorating or stimulating. That's like saying all board games are for bonding family fun, when games like Chess exist solely to compete strategtically against other players. It's like saying all television is meant to be entertaining, when channels exist for weather and news for a source of information. It's like saying all food is simply meant to be delicious, when many of us eat less-than-delicious substances for temporary and long term benefits. Not all games, virtual or physical, are meant to be relaxing. Many of them were invented for the thrill of competition, and that's what League is. Anyone who is hopping into a game of League to relax are damn fools.

And I don't know how many times i have to repeat myself, but "not letting it affect me outside of the game" keeps coming up and I keep having to say "I agree" and "Im not debating that." So once again, I'm stating, yes, if any choice you're freely making, like playing a game, is affecting your life significantly negatively to any degree, like OP is claiming for himself, you need to stop making that choice. It doesn't make him silly for feeling that way because it's a game, it's 100% normal to feel negatively after losing a competition. It being virtual doesn't make it any less real.

MrPerson102 votes

Like I said, feeling negatively about it is normal - I've been relatively upset about a total throw by one person on my promos to Diamond V late Season 4 on my first account, it was shitty and ended up with Plat 2 at end of season.

If it's affecting someone to an extent that they're that upset outside of the game though, one might consider a new outlet that doesn't affect them so negatively.

Also, I'd like to point out - someone's behaviour is NEVER anyone else's fault. You are free to choose, you are not free from the consequences of your choices.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

Now you're just trolling me.

MrPerson101 votes

Nope, simply pointing out the obvious that he was unable to before he posted.

danmarge3 votes

Warning: I'm new so this might not be the most informed comment. The people that get in trouble a lot get blamed for things more often then those with clean records. We can use the class trouble maker in this example. If some kid is known to be doing bad things the teacher will often blame them or question them more closely in the occurrence of a bad instance at school than that of the kids with the pristine record. So by you already having a record of being toxic riot is not giving you the benefit of the doubt and instead just seeing a couple of reports and hitting you with punishments. Given that you have a record its just like the legal system. If a man steals one car and gets busted his punishment is less severe, but if another man has been to jail for stealing cars and steals another his punishment will be more severe.

  The same may be true here.  So by being increasingly more toxic you may be exacerbating your own problem.  If you're really having that much trouble and you want to be able to play ranked and not have chat restrictions stop flaming and realize that you have a record and are already on thin ice.  This means any slight problem with you or report will cause you to break this fragile foundation you're on.  Whereas a person with a cleaner record would probably only get a warning. You already have that criminal record.
danmarge3 votes

And that must win normals to play ranked is probably designed to test to see if you're toxic or not (and/or have changed your ways) because its putting you in a pressured situation where you have to win to advance just like ranked to push you towards the high stress levels of ranked to see how positively or negatively you react.

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

To be honest, it doesn't sound like you are above average at all. Have you ever heard that statistic that something like 90% of people think they're above average?

That part where you say "but everyone has bad games?" Yeah, not everyone does. I don't flame people. Ever. I have never been chat restricted, or banned, or anything, and there's a reason for that. People who have good records with this stuff are the people who don't have bad games. They are the people who put courtesy and sportsmanship first. It sounds like you don't do that.

Even the text in this very post seems to be pointing fingers and raging because none of this is your fault... Sorry, but I'm not buying it. You have a ways to go before you are above average; Riot's system is trying to open your eyes to that.

Bodkins Odds3 votes

Please ask Riot to publicly show the logs from games you got chat restricted over. I haven't seen a Lyte smite in a week or two.

Jubbinaut1 votes

While that might be nice, I doubt it'd happen. By policy, LyteSmites are reserved for cases of escalated bans. There've been a few times where he's posted logs for restricted players, but they're pretty rare, and it's not required/dictated by policy that restricted players receive those logs.

Which can be hella frustrating.

AlphaKappaPika2 votes

The basic point of this is that they turned a above-neutral player into a toxic player by allowing 1 to 2 reports to dictate whether or not i can talk for the next 50 games. and also the "winning" of the SPECIFIC normal "draft" gamemode is just horrendous, i cant even play fucking teambuilder :/

Jubbinaut2 votes

Um... if you were banned just a couple months ago, I don't think you quite reached the "above-neutral" range.

In fact, I'm not even sure that's enough time to go from "extremely toxic" (the 2-week ban waves are specifically for "extreme toxicity") to "neutral."

On a slightly separate note, I'll also offer this quote from Lyte:

Let's be honest, there's very little abuse because the Report System has an entire featureset that filters false reports and gives them 0 value.

If you are getting chat restrictions, it's probably because you are doing something verbally that warrants a light penalty. I'm happy to review your case if you disagree.

AlphaKappaPika1 votes

You'd be suprised, the suspension made me completely rethink my attitude towards the game. The issue is that the constant restrictions after literally 1-2 reports. For instance, I was playing yasuo the other day. Had a bad game, basically didnt type anything in chat the entire game. went 1-4, at the end of the game after i close the stats I get a report for negative attitude. I take a break after the next game and come back. Im chat restricted for 55 games, have an 11 game ranked penalty. I hadnt gotten one of those popups for at least a few days before that. Which would lead me to believe that 1 report, caused all of this. and why didnt they let me play ANY OTHER GAMEMODE. nomal draft is the worst. :P

Jubbinaut3 votes

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You'd be suprised, the suspension made me completely rethink my attitude towards the game.

I was referring to your status with the system, not your own personal views. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear about that.

You may have reconsidered your stance, but the only way for the behavioral systems to know that is to watch your account and see what happens. And, as Lyte said in that quote, "If you are getting chat restrictions, it's probably because you are doing something verbally that warrants a light penalty."

The issue is that the constant restrictions after literally 1-2 reports.

It's important to remember, though, that restrictions aren't automatically issued based on reports. Reports do nothing more than trigger reviews. Meaning that you were saying something that the system (and by extension Riot) considers toxic.

One of the major flaws of the current systems is the lack of feedback - you have no way of knowing what the issue is. Since you can't know, you can't share it for advice, so other people can't know. And since - for example - I can't know, I can't help you see what they have issue with.

I hadnt gotten one of those popups for at least a few days before that. Which would lead me to believe that 1 report, caused all of this.

Those pop-ups aren't triggered based on individual reports. They occur when there is a "spike" in reported games against your account. As an example:

Every player is reported sometimes. The average player receives reports in 3-5% of their games. Assuming that Player A is on the low-side of average, he gets reports in about 3 games of every hundred. If, over some particular week, he gets reported a lot - say about 10% of his games, one of those reported games will trigger a pop-up for him, based on the sudden increase in reports against him.

and why didnt they let me play ANY OTHER GAMEMODE. nomal draft is the worst. :P

Normal Draft is as close as you can get to Ranked without it actually being Ranked. Since Ranked Restrictions are intended to be barriers to entering Ranked games, the point of using Normal Draft is to mimic - as closely as possible - the kind of environment you'd be dealing with back in Ranked matches. To practice both the game skills you'll use as you're ranking and the behaviors you'll need to avoid future Restrictions.

ARAM wouldn't do that job.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

A. While most of us understand the debilitating anger or anguish caused by the crushed morale from a lost competition (any competition, not just League).. If something is affecting your mood so long outside of partcipating in it, then you should probably find an alternative activity. B. It's understandable that the habit of using chat to express yourself being hindered is causing you anger when you've used up your restricted messages, the solution to that is to lose that habit and form a new one of never using your chat button even when it's appropriate.

I know neither of those are the answers you wanted to hear, but if you're not willing to accept the fact that no system is perfect, and there will always be problems, inconsistencies, or aspects that haven't been perfected yet, and it's affecting your life.. or hell, even just your games.. that drastically, then you need to take a long break. Losing competitions can be horribly disappointing for the highly competitive players, and there's not much you can do to prevent that from happening, but toxic behavior is 100% preventable personally for the average person (and in several ways). You're in control of your actions. You can choose to not do something no matter how badly you want to. The only thing enticing you to do it is if the consequences are worth it, which they clearly aren't to you.

Blaming Riot for your toxic behavior is like blaming Toyota that you drove drunk and slammed into a tree. It's obviously Toyota's fault for giving you a "faulty" product that can't handle a head-on collision with an oak.

Or, like, how parents blame certain video game companies for exposing their children to mature content, instead of actually being a parent and refusing to buy games with an M+ rating.

If you'd like further advice on mitigating your toxic behavior, I'm willing to offer some. But I know what you want. You want to be able to be as horrible and toxic as you like without negative consequences and that is not going to happen, and the alternative of not flaming when someone irritates you probably feels stupid to you. If you're not willing to prevent yourself from exposing your rage in-game, then I can't help you (Riot either).

vitalzign1 votes

Comparing his toxicity in a game is NOTHING like a car wreck.....it's exACTly like getting a speeding ticket while driving down the Interstate the same speed as everyone else. So next time you're on the same highway, you drive the speed limit, yet everyone is passing you, so you speed up to the speed of traffic and are STILL within the bounds of the law.....and yet you get pulled over again! Rinse and repeat. It's not fair and it's the law's (Riot) fault for twisting the laws and picking YOU out of the crowd cause they run your plates and see priors so they automatically think 'bad driver' and pin it on you again and again instead of looking at all of the other offenders around you as well.

DeadlyQuestion1 votes

I understand your point. Maybe my analogy wasn't perfect. But in your analogy you're assuming those other motorists aren't getting pulled over just because you can't see it happening. OP doesn't know how many people are getting punished for behavior similar to his, he isn't the only one getting punished. He sees someone being toxic in a game and thinks "Why aren't they chat restricted? They're being worse than me!" well how does he know they aren't? If he's in low-priority queue, chances are most of the players in that game are too. Otherwise, he doesn't know if the players that aren't talking aren't also chat restricted, he doesn't know if any of those players are playing normals instead of ranked because they're rank restricted, he doesn't know how many people he isn't exposed to because of bans, or the players he's exposed to that aren't being toxic cause they learned their lesson. He doesn't know how many of them haven't been this toxic or toxic at all before this game, and ARE going to get punished afterwards, but he'll never know because chances are he's probably not going to play with them again.

And lastly, the system isn't perfect. Getting back-to-back restrictions was suppose to be removed and all of your restrictions were suppose to be totaled up. Maybe there's something wrong with the system still? I think he's just continuing to be toxic in game, AFKing like he's admitting to, and then just getting mad when he's further punished for it. He's basically telling Riot, "If I am toxic, and you punish me, I'm just going to get worse. You should just let me ruin other people's games when I feel like it and without sanction to prevent this ."

If he can't handle his punishment, and it's making him worse, then this just isn't a game he's emotionally equipped to deal with. It can't be for everyone.

Sythriel Draken1 votes

They need to either redo the entire system, or just go away with it. it's obviously not working, and no incentive is keeping people from being toxic, especially in the bronze level, which riot needs to focus on because that's the level that most of this takes place in..

Aerothal1 votes

lol

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