@IronStylus: A Civil Opinion on Sivir's New Dance

PhoenixSlayer13··9 votes·1,711 views

Mr. Parrot, if you're here on the shiny new Community Beta:

I want to start off by saying that I like pretty much everything about Sivir's rework. An excellent update all around in my opinion. However, the one thing that caught me off guard is her new dance.

You've stated that you would like to simplify dances, as at the end of the day they are simply less important than core champion movements. In this, I definitely agree. However, while dances should be kept simple, I feel that a dance should also tie in closely to the character itself.

For example, take our newest champ, Jinx. Her dance is pretty simple, yet it fits her character so damn well. It's light-hearted and goofy, just like Jinx.

I just don't get that same feeling from Sivir's new dance. It doesn't say "I am a sexy/fierce warrior woman" to me. Given her Arabian inspiration, perhaps a simple belly dance would do the trick? Hands on head, hip/stomach movement. I'm not going to pretend like I know how you rig champions at Riot, but I hope that this wouldn't be that hard to pull off. It also puts those tight abs to good use!

So, to review, a champion dance should: 1.) Be simple 2.) Connect to the character in a meaningful way

Even if it's too late at this point to change Sivir's dance, I hope that these two points can help guide future dance animation decisions.

Thanks for your time :)

14 Comments

RiotIronStylus8 votes

Excellent points. Jinx is a great example considering it a) isn't too complicated to require a ton of animation resources potentially spent somewhere else, and b) fits her personality like a glove.

I'll add one other thing which I think is important that you bring up in a sort of tangential way: It might be a case-by-case situation. Maybe a certain champion needs some complicated dance moves depending on the character. Maybe there's a core component of them that could really be shown off in a dance. A dancer champion.. we might want to have a really crazy dance on something like that.

That's an assumption, but I think it's something we can take into consideration as we do more content in this vein. With Sivir it's something to take note of in the future. We learn new things all the time when we work on a character, this being a point to learn from as well. While I still feel we've appropriately utilized our resources, especially in this case, we can take these notes into consideration in the future. Sivir's production is very much winding down and we feel she's in a really good place. We've gotten a really positive response to her look. I think we're confident in going forward even if she does have a simple dance.

Thanks a lot for your feedback! Really good points made.

PhoenixSlayer131 votes

Thank you for your reply! I'd love to see a dancer champ in the future. A lot of open ground with that idea.

Gonsea2 votes

Sivir should have been that dancer champ, she is really "fit". Is there nothing you can do to give her a small fix on animation?

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

I think he meant the Champion is quite literally a dancer, like that would be a part of their character/backstory. Sivir is a mercenary, I personally don't think the dance is as important (certainly not when compared to a pure dancer champion)

Gonsea1 votes

Dude, look at that bodiiiiiiii.

@Parrot Hey, look here man

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3952510 I know she not your, but having any inspiration for new skin yet?

Michicha4 votes

I've seen Mr. Parrot man wandering the beta and I have to say I agree with your point. Sivir seems to be a much more serious champion than a champ like jinx or zac, therefore she should have a more appropriate dance. although sivir may be a bit TOO serious? i think riots intention is to add some funnier mechanics to sivir because thats what the dance is for, fun. i found it the new dance funny, but also asked myself why riot didnt give her a more thematicaly correct dance

Gonsea2 votes

ARR, why can't I upvote

P/s: I prefer old Garen dance btw

RiotKrylhos2 votes

We need to fix the messaging! You're a bit low level to vote on a discussion (I think we have that set to level 10 right now)

Gonsea2 votes

Thank for the notice.

PhoenixSlayer131 votes

I like the new one honestly. With his new voiceover he sounds much more sure of himself (even a little cocky at times), so I think Johnny Bravo's "The Monkey" is a pretty good fit for him.

If you have no idea what The Monkey is, here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exe0IEB3hKs

Gonsea1 votes

It made him a goofy character. I dont like to be 50-0 by a goofy champ's ulti.

The old dance look quite manly in contrast.

The Onix Mage1 votes

All the more reason to get better in skill and NOT get 50-0 by him lol

Gonsea1 votes

Yes, because an AP can do a lot of thing after Garen's Q

The Onix Mage1 votes

You got hit by it, therefore that's your fault instead of keeping your distance (I mean his Q his telegraph, as his sword lights up/shines when the Q is pressed.) and attacking when there's a opening.

Really, Tanks/Fighters should be the only champs you bring at top, especially if you're facing against someone like Garen. I mean, you can try and change up the meta if you like, but depending who you are, you're gonna be fighting an near uphill battle.

In either case, just learn the matchup and know your limits as an AP/AD/whatever champ you choose against Garen/anybody.

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