this is why i cant get out of bronze

JAGMAG·Sep 9, 2015·1 votes·1,265 views

most kills least deaths as freaking nunu and last pick auto locked my main role which i have over 4 champs with 50+ win rates

33 Comments

SukishooSep 9, 20154 votes

I can give u many reasons....

One is you're using item 3713 , that's such a weak item. If you must have it, get it at the start but DON'T enchant it. Replace it with item 3706 or item 3715 THEN enchant it so you can bring extra damage and utility to team fights. On top of that, you built straight tank, with no sources of damage... Nunu needs AP to really be effective.

Also, the fact you instantly go to "My team did this, this and this" just proves you belong there. That attitude will never let you get farther, unless you can see your own mistakes. It's not just the team, it's you as well.

warpenguin555Sep 9, 20152 votes

because they had a better team comp?

disregardableSep 9, 20151 votes

how is their teamcomp better? 3 AD melees . . . I mean yes, Alistar and Sivir can make teamfights a lot better for them, but if their Azir hadn't somehow gone 1/5 to a melee (I guess Trynd went mid????), they'd own those teamfights. Literally just let Azir harass them off turret and if they do get bored enough to dive, you have Sion and Thresh ult to keep them there while nunu channels his ultimate, and if the kalista is a moron that instantly dies, then Azir can still ult them off. Like I don't know they lost.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

ap nasus mid.........yeah i stopped ganging after the third failed attempt with mid were azir straight up suicide a second time and yeah thresh had ok mechanics but bad decision making kalstia was trash bot gave up several free doubles and sion left top so trynd could free farm

disregardableSep 9, 20151 votes

Ap nasus mid.

and he went 1/5.

oh my god.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

dont forget he suicide to him multiple times by getting within melee range during ganks

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

there team comp was good but they just straight up wrecked every lane bot fed two early doubles top gave up several kills before just leaving trynd to split push azir..was just trash i dont play much jungle so when i have to jungle i go tanks rather then damage carries because i simply dont play jungle enough to keep up on my lee sin and kaz practice then my main gets taken away by the instalock last pick forcing me into a non carry role

hh the thinkerSep 9, 20151 votes

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there team comp was good but they just straight up wrecked every lane bot fed two early doubles top gave up several kills before just leaving trynd to split push azir..was just trash i dont play much jungle so when i have to jungle i go tanks rather then damage carries because i simply dont play jungle enough to keep up on my lee sin and kaz practice then my main gets taken away by the instalock last pick forcing me into a non carry role

every role can carry. what you basically said was you were forced into a role that you should practice more. the better you play all roles, the better odds you have at carrying and just winning games in general.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

yes and i can carry on lee sin or kaz but im an adc main and if i go a week or two without play lee sin i lose most my skill with him. i almost never play jungle and as i showed with this game i can get kills and dont die much (in comparison to my team) i just pick cc tanks rather then carries because my chances are better on a no damage tank then on a high damage lee when i cant ward hop properly or insec well

(also i picked nunu and acted like i was going to disco nunu if someone didint dodge but changed my spell at last sec)

EggstealerSep 9, 20151 votes

That's toxic too. if people think you're disco nunu so they choose troll summoners (3 heals? really?) and then even if you switch back then what if they don't. you need to get serious and choose champs that can win games, not champs that can help others win games. I dropped from bronze 2 after placements to bronze 3 and then proceeded to get serious and choose champs I was good with and could main and am currently gold V.

disregardableSep 9, 20151 votes

You're winning a lot more games than you're losing.

Baby sitting ADCSep 9, 20151 votes

I lose like nearly over half my games because of people in bronze making stupid choices and they refuse to listen so dont feel bad. I when from like b5 to b4 then back to b5 again because of people that dont listen or bother to make an effort of not feeding so heavily so.

LintheSep 9, 20151 votes

This same post has been posted a bazillion times.

All you can control is YOU.

If you do not feed, troll, AFK etc then it's more likely that the OTHER team will have a feeder, troll or AFKer than that your team will.

50% win rate = climb

Enjoy the climb. (And yes.. it IS unlikely to be a direct vertical climb to Challenger... or wherever you true rank is.)

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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This same post has been posted a bazillion times.

All you can control is YOU.

if all you can control is you, you can't climb

a good player will be able to influence teammates to play better. that is how a good teammate will lead the game

LintheSep 9, 20151 votes

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if all you can control is you, you can't climb

a good player will be able to influence teammates to play better. that is how a good teammate will lead the game

OFC you can climb... Because there will be some % of games where the other team has the afker, troll, feeder. You should win the vast majority of those games.

In the other games, as long you play better than your rank, you should still have a decent chance to win.

In the games where your team is bad, trollish, afking, feeding or the MMR just hoses you... that's a loss. Keep moving.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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OFC you can climb... Because there will be some % of games where the other team has the afker, troll, feeder. You should win the vast majority of those games.

In the other games, as long you play better than your rank, you should still have a decent chance to win.

In the games where your team is bad, trollish, afking, feeding or the MMR just hoses you... that's a loss. Keep moving.

you will climb 10x better if you lead your teammates to victory rather than just carry them.

teach a guy to fish, don't just fish for them

LintheSep 9, 20151 votes

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you will climb 10x better if you lead your teammates to victory rather than just carry them.

teach a guy to fish, don't just fish for them

Yea.. I agree..

If you can pull it off.. Some can..

The rest are in here complaining because they politely suggested the Ashe sell her ThorneMail and then Ashe went insta-toxic, fed the rest of the game, AFKd the rest of the game etc...

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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Yea.. I agree..

If you can pull it off.. Some can..

The rest are in here complaining because they politely suggested the Ashe sell her ThorneMail and then Ashe went insta-toxic, fed the rest of the game, AFKd the rest of the game etc...

yeah, suggesting to people to build stuff will make them go instatoxic, most poeople will be like "hey don't tell me how to build you shitter"

you just gotta lead them through pings and sometimes just by your actions let your team follow up.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

to teach you must have someone who's willing to listen you tell someone ward up and play safe pls and they respond with fuck you gank or ill keep feeding or you tell them hey hurricane is really not good on cait and they say yes it is its and refuse to sell it

you cant lead those who wont be lead

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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to teach you must have someone who's willing to listen you tell someone ward up and play safe pls and they respond with fuck you gank or ill keep feeding or you tell them hey hurricane is really not good on cait and they say yes it is its and refuse to sell it

you cant lead those who wont be lead

don't teach with your words. teach with your actions and they will automatically follow you if they see you are doing well. don't just think "fuck it im going to go 1v5 or just splitpush", go in when a teammate is around. chances are the teammate will go in after seeing you go in.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

how are you supposed to influence someone who is 0/8 and keeps trying to fight their lane opponent even thou the whole team is begging them to just ward up and play safe

LintheSep 9, 20151 votes

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how are you supposed to influence someone who is 0/8 and keeps trying to fight their lane opponent even thou the whole team is begging them to just ward up and play safe

This is probably a loss. Accept it's a loss...

However.. the other team CAN get so focused on the 0/8 player that they forget that kills do not actually win the game. Objectives do.

I had one particularly atrocious mid lane game where I was bad early then camped and killed repeatedly. But the opponent team spent so much time and resources doing that (even under turret) that our other 2 lanes took objective after objective and we actually won in spite of me.

Lord of VendettaSep 9, 20151 votes

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how are you supposed to influence someone who is 0/8 and keeps trying to fight their lane opponent even thou the whole team is begging them to just ward up and play safe

I've carried games that I start 0/10. And i do that quite often. You just have to lead your team to help you and follow up with your plays

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

yes it has been made allot but

most people are like its because your one of the worst players ever that why you cant climb has nothing to do with your trash team
that's a false argument with bad logic allot of people use because it applies to everyone including the enemy team that means the guy sitting opposite you in lane if he doesn't afk troll or feed his team has a its even odds
im almost there >.> last time i got this close i lost like 10 games straight with a string of feeders trolls and afks
honestly id be happy with silver 5

Deep Terror NamiSep 9, 20151 votes

If you feel like you can't climb because of the people in your MMR range are a problem, try to duo queue with someone of a higher MMR; matchmaking will average both of your MMR's and give it a slight bump, so you will be matched with and against higher MMR people.

Even with that, be aware that the enemy team has the same chance of getting the people you had on your team. Matchmaking isn't somehow deciding you get shit players and the enemy gets the good ones; they are probably all shit. If you aren't, then your team automatically has an advantage.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

ive done that before i know it boost my gains a good bit i just can do it a ton since my higher elo friends only want to play 2-3 a week (we win all of them but still its not that big a boost)

also the mmr system sorta does its designed to give you a 50% win rate so the worse you do the higher mmr your teammates will be and/or the lower the enemies will be but when you go over 50% the worse your team will be and/or the better there team will be mmr wise it is balanced around the league mmr which keeps the system from completely being unbalanced but still low elo is a pain in the ass

OhBoyItsaMegamanSep 9, 20151 votes

also the mmr system sorta does its designed to give you a 50% win rate so the worse you do the higher mmr your teammates will be and/or the lower the enemies will be but when you go over 50% the worse your team will be and/or the better there team will be mmr wise

This is completely incorrect. How would this even work? Matchmaking isn't centered around you.

Let's say you have 1100 MMR and a 55% win rate. So matchmaking puts you in a game with 4 people with 1000 MMR against 5 people with 1200 MMR. Well damn, how would that be fair to the other 9 people? All of them get an unfair imbalanced game that wrecks their record just to try to get YOUR win% back down? I promise you that that's not how it works. The matchmaking algorithm does not make unbalanced teams on purpose, and your teammates are not why you're in Bronze.

JAGMAGSep 9, 20151 votes

that is how it works look up any explanation of the algorithm yes it tries to make it balanced but it also tries to keep you at 50% w/l going above or below that will skew match making but if you keep wining then you mmr will continue to increase that's how you get mmr gains in an even mmr gain your not expected to gain much if any mmr simply from winning and ive looked it up on op.gg before and have seen up to 300 mrr difference between teams

OhBoyItsaMegamanSep 9, 20151 votes

I'll do better than looking up "any explanation," I'll link to the explanation straight from Riot Lyte last week:

Why does everyone have a 45-55% win rate? Is there a system that "balance" our winrate so we cant win more than lose?

Once in awhile, we'll hear players say that the matchmaking system arbitrarily tries to make you lose if you're on a win streak, or intentionally tries to make everyone a 50% win rate. To understand how a matchmaker works, you have to first understand the theory behind matchmaking.

A perfect matchmaker does not necessarily ensure that every single player in the game has a 50% win rate. In fact, a perfect matchmaker has perfect predictability--this means that for every single match, no matter who we put on either team, we can perfectly predict who will win the match, and what the odds of winning are.

For competitive queues, fairness is critical, so matchmaking will try to make every match as close to a 50% win chance as possible. This means that when you win matches, your MMR goes up, and you face tougher and tougher opponents (which means eventually, when you reach your true MMR potential, you'll start losing about half your matches and winning half your matches). When you lose matches, your MMR goes down, and you face weaker opponents until you start winning your matches. So if a player is smurfing, they are playing matches against much lower skilled players and will win a lot of matches in a row and be on a win streak. Their MMR will increase dramatically, and they'll face tougher and tougher opponents until they are at their true MMR level, and will start losing a lot more games until their win percentage stabilizes around 50% (because their MMR gains have stabilized, not because the system forced a 50% win rate on them).

So, there's no features or systems that intentionally forces players to have a 50% win rate, it just so happens that in competitive queues where fairness is the key for every patch, players stabilize around 50% win rate when they settle on their true MMR.

There are no features that make you more likely to be put on the losing team due to your win rate being too high, or vice versa. Your win rate naturally drifts towards 50% the longer you play at your correct MMR.

As an example, let's say I started ranked and did absolutely awful. I win 10 games and lose 40. My win rate is 20%. Finally I hit the bottom of Bronze V and I am able to compete there, so I start winning 50% of my games.

After another 50 games, I have 25 more wins and 25 more losses. Total: 35W-65L. 35% win rate.

After another 50 games, I have 25 more wins and 25 more losses. Total: 60W-90L. 40% win rate.

After another 50 games, I have 25 more wins and 25 more losses. Total: 85W-115L. 43% win rate.

After another 50 games, I have 25 more wins and 25 more losses. Total: 110W-140L. 44% win rate.

After another 50 games, I have 25 more wins and 25 more losses. Total: 135W-165L. 45% win rate.

You see? The game isn't forcing me to win more games than I lose, but my win rate is going up anyway because it represents an overall average. And that overall average is going to trend towards 50% as long as I'm winning 50% of my games, which I will do if the algorithm is doing its job.

There is no need for an alternate imaginary algorithm that deliberately sabotages you. It wouldn't make any sense, when a purely accurate matchmaker already does exactly what it needs to do.

JAGMAGSep 10, 20151 votes

if you read what he says it says right there it tries to make your win loss chances 50/50 means that they try and make it to were the odds are for you to lose half and win half if you win more the games get harder if you lose the games get easier but the system still tries to make you have a 50/50 win loss no matter how you look at it

OhBoyItsaMegamanSep 10, 20151 votes

All right, I'll try it one more time.

You're saying "if you win more, the games get harder, and if you lose more, the games get easier." This matches with what Lyte said. There are two possibilities for how this is implemented:

Matchmaking is trying to give you a 50% win rate overall. After a win, it makes your games harder by putting better players on the other team with the intention of bringing your chance of winning down below 50%.
Matchmaking is trying to give you a 50% chance of winning this next game. After a win, it makes this next game harder by putting better players on BOTH teams, with the intention of giving you only a 50% chance of winning that game.

Which of these two possibilities is the truth? It should be fairly obvious when you look at exactly what Lyte said.

"fairness is critical, so matchmaking will try to make every match as close to a 50% win chance as possible"

"because their MMR gains have stabilized, not because the system forced a 50% win rate on them"

"there's no features or systems that intentionally forces players to have a 50% win rate"

It's clear that the second option is true, not the first.

xianaruSep 9, 20151 votes

Your team doesn't have much reliable damage. If Azir was already having a hard time against an AP nasus, that will control the pace of teamfights in the later game. Not to mention he farmed 228 minions in 27 mins. Obviously, Kalista was just unskilled. Other than that, you guys were just going down from there.

I know your role was taken, but in situations like these, especially in bronze IV, YOU need to carry. With Nunu, his potential as a carry or game changer can be less-impacting when your team is behind, especially building full tank.

Maximum MordeSep 10, 20151 votes

Lol. I trolled and went 7 losses 3 wins in placements and still placed in silver so I'm not sure how you got to bronze. I haven't been able to do it yet without intentional obvious mega super feeding that would get me punished.