Upgrading the Intentional Feeder Detection System

RiotLyte··206 votes·29,219 views

Hey all,

(Neurocat’s out for a week, so I’m dropping in to give an Instant Feedback update)

A few weeks back we launched intentional feeding detection, a long-desired addition to Instant Feedback that hands out 14-day or permanent bans to intentional feeders. Initially, we tuned the detection to be very conservative because we wanted to be absolutely sure Instant Feedback could distinguish bad games from genuine intentional feeding. Now that the system’s crunched through a few million games of data, we feel confident turning intentional feeding detection up a notch.

Like with all adjustments to Instant Feedback, the team will hand review the first few thousand cases to make sure everything’s working the way it’s meant to. This upgrade’s already live in NA, and will roll out worldwide before the end of the year. In fact, the system’s already made its first ban. The /allchat log reads:

[All] (Hecarim): uh... i dont care [All] (Hecarim): and riot will not care [All] (Hecarim): who wants kill?

Oh Hecarim. We care a lot. We’ll update this post when the feature’s gone global.

EDIT ::: We are now rolling the system out in EUW.

230 Comments

ViashinoWizard148 votes

{quoted} Hecarim: uh... i dont care Hecarim: and riot will not care Hecarim: who wants kill?

[ ] Not Rekt [ ] Rekt [X] Tyrannosaurus Rekt

Blue Moon Wolf8 votes

That pun was beautiful. Phreak would be proud :')

enemy standuser17 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AMYS GRAVE14 votes

Leona Praise the sun, for it brings us lyte!

Solash58 votes

TFW Intentionally Feeding [zombie-nunu-hearts]

TFW Banned [zombie-nunu-tears]

TFW No Season rewards [zombie-nunu-bummed]

kitcat30030 votes

OFW when they cry innocence, and we don't believe them [slayer-jinx-unamused]

OFW we eagerly await for them to be summoner 11-ed [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

KwangoTango12 votes

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lulu or bust5 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown] they're dank dude

MrWasjig9 votes

Where are all of these glorious emotes coming from?

Checking the boards this morning they're everywhere :D

Wait, found it! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Also, yay for Lyte! [slayer-jinx-catface]

Solash28 votes

I guess you could say that Horse...got put down [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Ice Birb17 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

wop8 votes

{quoted}

I guess you could say that Horse...got put down [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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redniwediS23 votes

Ah the joy of Lyte's justice. Are you sure you're not Garen?

GhastlyGhoulMan20 votes

Dang. Lyte sure knows how to Smite and Ignite. Love it.

YambrinZ20 votes

ive noticed that nowadays, the community has replaced the word "dying" with "feeding". Was playing a game the other day and I was 2/3/2 as Alistar support, and my midlaner told me to stop feeding......PLEASE community. Understand that even if someone is 1/14 does NOT mean they intentionally fed. Maybe you should get off of your wolves stacking that devourer, or roam as fizz and help your team. G'day.

Scarlett Skub30 votes

The "intentional" in "intentional feeding" is the part that signals you're dying on purpose. Dying a lot is still feeding even if it's unintentional.

S H A Y C 05 votes

can we please define "a lot" the example he gave had 3 deaths....i dont know how far into the game that was but he had a positive kda and hardly appears to be feeding.

T RexHasTinyArms4 votes

It's a weird pet peeve, but pretty much ANY kda has to be positive. The only non positive kda is one where the player gets 0 kills and 0 assists, number of deaths doesn't matter, it can be 0 too, or 100. The KDA is 0 so it isn't positive or negative. Even fractions are still positive, you mean a 1+ kda rather than positive. It doesn't matter, but I'd seen it enough times today I just had to vent. :D

Ayame Isaki6 votes

What really gets me is that people consider a 1/10/39 a negative KDA (which in reality, they mean a KDA < 1, which as you can clearly see, is wrong, as this yields a KDA value of 4.0...); it's like they forgot what the A stood for in KDA.

Linthe9 votes

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What really gets me is that people consider a 1/10/39 a negative KDA (which in reality, they mean a KDA < 1, which as you can clearly see, is wrong, as this yields a KDA value of 4.0...); it's like they forgot what the A stood for in KDA.

Or they dont even POST the A: You went 1/10!! You baddie!! You feeder!!!

TensaM20 votes

Lyte,

A few weeks ago I had to step away for a fire alarm in my building (turned out to be a false alarm). I was gone for less than 3 minutes, and I went back to base. In this time, one player on our team decided to AFK in fountain and say he hopes I die and my house burns down (as well as some homophobic slur).

He was reported by no fewer than 3 people that game, yet he is still playing at this time.

I thought this type of thing was supposed to be taken care of? I shouldn't have to report someone for that, but we did and he is still playing and ruining games. What in the world can I do to make sure these people don't continue to destroy the community?

http://imgur.com/a/3GIS5 < Set of screenshots I took when it happened (and the op.gg a few days after). I just checked right now and he is still playing.

kJs17 votes

You know what would be evil and cunning? Befriend him and play with him, whenever he says something obscene and incredibly offensive and inappropriate you report him. Over time the reports will stack up.

This is evil justice right?

Tiananmen Rebel7 votes

This.

CupcakeTrap19 votes

{quoted}

In fact, the system’s already made its first ban. The /allchat log reads:

[All] (Hecarim): uh... i dont care [All] (Hecarim): and riot will not care [All] (Hecarim): who wants kill?

Oh Hecarim. We care a lot.

I really want to see a live-action production of this. Possibly involving a chortling rager smacking the enter key, only to fall silent as Lyte steps up from behind and delivers that chill-voiced "reassurance".

Evel Knie Grow13 votes

How will this thing handle proxy Singed?

DrCyanide9 votes

Singed is perhaps the only champion in the game that could be mistaken (and probably added significantly to the complexity of designing such a system). I suspect that the system looks at factors like if Singed runs away from the opponents, has his poison on, is spamming laugh, etc.

T RexHasTinyArms5 votes

The best proxy singed though doesn't massively feed. The reason it is strong is bc he can waste people's time and so he should be getting some kills, but also not dying a ton, so probably at least a 1 kda if it's played well (he won't die in team fights much and will get tons of assists from slow and poison). 1 kda is a bad kda but not intentional feeding, and intentional feeding is the only kind that is bannable. Now if you're a bad proxy singed and getting like 3 kills and 2 or 3 assists but giving up 12-18 kills to the enemy every game that kind of is intentional feeding because you know you aren't good enough at it to not feed hard and offset whatever pressure you put down, but you play it anyway.

IcyPepper11 votes

[All] (Hecarim): and riot will not care

Ah, the classic troll line.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Consider that undead... slayed.

lightdragoon889 votes

{quoted}

[All] (Hecarim): uh... i dont care [All] (Hecarim): and riot will not care [All] (Hecarim): who wants kill?

Oh Hecarim. We care a lot.

summoner 11 and summoner 14

RekthemRaider9 votes

i wonder if this system will detect tahm kenches eating you and constantly spitting you into the enemy team... :(

Azteryz7 votes

Inb4 Hecarim makes boards post about how he was unjustly banned and gets up voted until rioter comments and rekts them (every "i was wrongly banned" post ever)

Mimy6 votes

Thanks for keeping the Rift Fun and friendly!

Can't wait for the new changes to champ select!! [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Stephenizgod5 votes

[All] (Hecarim): and riot will not care

So far everyone who has said that after i have informed them i was reporting them, has been punished almost immediately... like i got the message and everything... So im just going to go out on a limb here and say: Yes... yes Riot will care, now enjoy being banned. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Love the stickers*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

Wullf5 votes

Heavens had spread their powers Judgment day is now in sight The day after, though, shall be ours For we sing the song of Lyte

No words of blasphemy to be heard No damage that leads to plight And though we tierd but stirred We still sing the song of Lyte

Rejoice people of our world For we can enjoy the day's light Enemies twisted and curled We shall sing the song of Lyte

Carnage5 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

A Liberal4 votes

Thank god. I just got out of a game where the enemy leona didn't get a gank so she fed mid for 30 MINUTES. Seriously, just afk at that point.

Anyway, at the end room chat she said "I wont get banned, I've fed the last 60 games I've played". Probably not true, but still we don't need this scum.

Krys Star4 votes

I had a feeder in my game that was feeding maliciously because he didn't get the lane he wanted. Problem was, he didn't call the lane until LITERALLY the last four seconds before the match was starting, so everyone had already locked in and made their plays. He proceeded to feed my lane, and ended the match at 0 / 15 / 4.

Myself and a few others reported him, enemy and ally team alike, but I never got the notification that he was punished. Went on to check, and he's played over 35 matches (I counted) since, four days later. Does it only count a string of feeding? Because he literally ruined the entire match for us, and I got demoted thanks to his ensuring our loss out of malicious spite. It'll suck if you can get away with murder one time.

LeeDark4 votes
  1. It's not murder. He's not getting away with murder. He'd be getting away with making you have a somewhat less enjoyable half hour. Big difference, and exaggeration doesn't help you.

  2. You don't get demoted from ONE game. You had to have lost several, and that one was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

LegendaryLemur6 votes

Not trying to be a jerk here, but "get away with murder" (sometimes "get away with blue murder") is an English idiom meaning to receive no reprecussions for an offense someone would normally be punished for.

My apologies if you already know this.

LeeDark1 votes

No, it is almost always reserved for a horrible offense that should be punished. A parent who lets their child get away with small offenses is not described as letting them get away with murder.

chipi994 votes

Does it detect feeding your teamates to the enemy team? (Had a match where once we started to lose Tahm threw us at the enemy team)

Thrillow4 votes

{quoted}

Does it detect feeding your teamates to the enemy team? (Had a match where once we started to lose Tahm threw us at the enemy team)

Hey, i remember a tahm that fed my team intentionally. His attitude was horrible "I don't care, i'm bored and I'm helping you guys win." like i want to win through my hardwork and not by you just tower diving us...We let him get executed everytime thou.

YellowBrickRoad1 votes

How long till we get this on oce.

Because as someone who has fed on purpose on multiple occasions (we all get that fuckwit that lights the fuse) can honestly say having actual consequences that actually stick and actually go through would deter myself and most likely any troll from doing it.

ultimately i cant wait till the ban system is so consistent that people get banned on their second or third offence and the troll population falls to ungodly low levels instead of being about 80% of the community (or what feels like it)

Then all wed have to worry about is having low skill teammates, which frankly ive come to grips with, cant win em all right.

kJs6 votes

So you got trolled by a troll so you became a troll?

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Shyvauni2 votes

Fighting fire with fire can be surprisingly effective sometimes.

kJs7 votes

It's not fire vs fire, it's like trying to fight a virus with a non-reactive virus. The troll won because their victim decided to give in and give the troll what he wants.

PinkxBlue5 votes

{quoted}

It's not fire vs fire, it's like trying to fight a virus with a non-reactive virus. The troll won because their victim decided to give in and give the troll what he wants.

This right here is the person that will make our community the right kind of place :3 [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] <3

Festive Bear1 votes

Finally, yes finally, now i can play in peace, also, what about trollers, who play like orianna jungle, is there a system for that? LIke the may not feed intentionally, but, they just feed because it doesnt work. will there be a system to catch people like this?

A Baked Potatuh15 votes

Gotta give people the leeway to try shiz out.

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