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Why is it that toxic people refuse any evidence presented to them, and refuse to present their own?

Deep Terror Nami·11/27/2015, 6:06:11 PM·22 votes·1,787 views

They make a claim and I ask for evidence, they change the subject and make excuses why they shouldn't have to provide any. They are confused about how something works so I provide citations to official Riot sources explaining it all, they say I'm a troll harassing them.

How do you reason with someone that will deny evidence that is put directly under their nose?

Have questions about player behavior systems (reports, chat restriction, Tribunal etc.)? Lots of people have already had these questions; read up on Lyte's ask.fm page for his answers. Ask him yourself if you can't find what you need.

Questions about matchmaking or ranked play? Articles explaining most of it is available on Riot's support database.

Wondering why Rioter's aren't posting? They probably are and you haven't seen it. Surrender@20 tracks Red posts from multiple sources, so you can see what they say on the forum, Reddit, Twitter, ask.fm etc. in one spot.

If you don't know about something, that's ignorance and is ok. The cure is knowledge, which is at your fingertips if you so choose to search for it. If you refuse the cure, it becomes stupidity.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/reports-how-do-they-work

http://ask.fm/RiotLyte

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/204010760-Ranked-Play-FAQ

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752954-Matchmaking-Guide

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/sections/200382430-Behavior-Initiatives

http://www.surrenderat20.net/search/label/Red%20Posts/

38 Comments

nerak2311/27/2015, 7:03:53 PM3 votes

They refuse to believe they might be wrong.

Here is the thing: we now have a section to talk about all the 'arguments' . Let me be clear about this DTM goes beyond the regular poster to be fair and yet like many of us find>>> Stalemates, arguments, Yet Not as much talking and discussing what the real issue are.

Riot is watching and waiting for You the regular poster to say your opinions! So if not here then there..fellow players say what you believe :) I'm not talking about the bitching ( ops Am I allowed to say that on this section) .. but, if the players that Don't follow the rules bother you then Please say so...I don't mean to imply to take over this thread...

I will soon post my own in respect to DTN :) I by no means want to derail you and will self-delete myself if I am not getting the same basic message out that you are..just ask :) BOL !

BeatzBoyFTW11/28/2015, 1:21:10 AM3 votes

Permabanned people be like(assume his name is Douchebag):

Douchebag: I deserve to be unbanned. **Us: **Let us see your Reform Card if there was any mistake. Douchebag: LOL WHY DAFUQ WOULD I DO DAT? U DONT HAVE LIFE & GF, U SUCH A NOOB, IM JUST HERE TO COLLECT DOWNVOTES, LOOK AAT THIS TOXIC COMMMUNITY HAHAHA IM SO RIGHT LOL SUCKS TROLOLOL

LegendaryLemur11/27/2015, 10:02:37 PM2 votes

When all of the evidence is against you, you are pretty much forced to try some other tactic like attacking the witnesses' reputation (i.e. call you a troll), disputing the way the evidence was procured, call the system corrupt, etc.

I mean, yeah its annoying, but really when you're trying to 'prove' a point that has no logical or evidentiary support you don't have a lot of options :p

Spacesuit Spiff11/27/2015, 10:55:52 PM2 votes

Dont expect angry morons to play by your rules of logic and evidence. You remind me of myself a few years ago, id recommend reading about the anti-vaccination movement for a nice dose of cynicism

Slamurai Jack11/27/2015, 9:22:06 PM2 votes

Welcome to toxic people in general.

EndlessSorcerer11/27/2015, 6:15:43 PM2 votes

They don't know how to support their arguments or they can't actually justify them.

They refuse to believe they might be wrong.

nerak2311/27/2015, 9:18:22 PM1 votes

Deep Terror Nami (NA) - about an hour ago These boards can be viewed in Discussion mode, which makes for much better multiple conversations. I think you should use it (right above the leave a comment box).

I thought I was in the discussion but it is a matter of view, DTN your a fair person this is why I'd choice you and a few others to led a discussion about such matters as above and how we can Really help them.

I don't mean to sound pompous, but if some of the issue's I have brought up are not address then we can never resolve them.

Here I go ...You have a group ? I'd like to join then....if you don't then I'd like to suggest a varied group that includes the boards I am familiar with...?

Not asking for a challenge but a compromise ? If I could only "speak" to a person instead of type I'd be able to say wt/ stuff I mean, ??

Thanks either way ;)

Left Hook Larry11/27/2015, 9:40:02 PM1 votes

Why do you care so much about what people say in a game when there's a mute button

nerak2311/27/2015, 9:42:13 PM1 votes

Welcome to toxic people in general.

Meaning ?? Please, I already dislike talking on someone else's thread..but can you expand on this comment ?

Like can we discuses it ?

Savage Bear :

EDIT: must we bring up the mute button > If You like poster say the word and I shall post a New thread and we can discus this...somehow I dought your willing to though !!

And I am done posting on DTN thread in this way ! Simple the mute button is Not a 'I can say anything' button...

Blade of Justic11/27/2015, 9:53:27 PM1 votes

Because Trundle s be Trundle s.

NotClarkolas11/27/2015, 11:28:40 PM1 votes

Some toxic player are just pro-free-speech. Thats not exactly a horrible position to take.

nerak2311/28/2015, 12:42:58 AM1 votes

Some toxic player are just pro-free-speech. Thats not exactly a horrible position to take.

NOPE ! See, If this is your approach, your basing it on the wrong thing :)

Look....Some Toxic players..........NOPE, This is a Game and Riot gets to give the rules.

Here IS the thing --any Toxic remarks are NOT wanted in this game. I don't want them !! And just because more people will complain then stand up doesn't mean the majority of people Don't like the BS that is going on in the game ....Sorry Sir: ...Your stance is by your words //" a horrible position to take"

Stop pretending that you can bully people by the internet ! Sir you can Not in good conscience say your statement and mean it !!!

nerak2311/28/2015, 1:51:58 AM1 votes

BeatzBoyFTW

WTF is this in here ? Explain please ?!?

(Wrong Hole Dad is OP's smurf)

Put your links up like everyone else but don't try the sly shit !

Maybe I'm stupid so please do explain !

Spizzle900011/28/2015, 3:35:08 AM1 votes

Because they're toxic. They don't care.

nerak2311/29/2015, 5:09:42 PM1 votes

Lol nerak plz, switch to Discussion view XD

Hey now :) Yeah I know I should and I will toggle between as I am missing the convo..just don't like that style:) I realize at times I may misunderstand the context sorry all !

nerak2311/29/2015, 5:09:37 PM1 votes

Lol nerak plz, switch to Discussion view XD

Hey now :) Yeah I know I should and I will toggle between as I am missing the convo..just don't like that style:) I realize at times I may misunderstand the context sorry all !

nerak2311/29/2015, 5:23:37 PM1 votes

For some reason I am double posting and I'm not sure why sorry folks I don't mean to but I find I can't start a discussion about this nor can I delete or EDIT one of the above posts :) If anyone can help Thanks, if not sorry again about this....I hope this doesn't double post also...Have a great day folks :) !

P.S. Mods if your seeing this please feel free to delete one or both of comments to fix Thanks !

hC5Uz1Jdp22/4/2017, 2:01:46 PM1 votes

I had plenty of evidence to suggest my innocence when I was permabanned, and Riot refused to provide me any evidence regarding my perma ban. (Which was wrong, and not only have riot taken £400 off of me, but are refusing to lift it.) Here is my evidence files: http://prnt.sc/e4ebja

As you can see they aren't willing to prove that they're right, I'm wrong. So will be making videos regarding this. (Riot, don't think you can clear my account, I've already screenshotted all of it.)

Jack

nerak2311/27/2015, 6:17:41 PM1 votes

A+ Dear ! I agree with your premises although I haven't' read your links yet...I Will.. You can't talk to a wall because it doesn't know how to answer back..support for what you "have" been saying :) You have come a ways from when I first seen you post and I think what you are standing up for is a great thing and I personally want to 'thank you' !

Palmeiras SerieB11/27/2015, 7:10:36 PM1 votes

I know it is a rhetoric question, but some people really can't see their faults or, like the other guy in this thread said, they refuse to believe they might be wrong.

BTW, I asked him a question and never got an answer.

nerak2311/27/2015, 7:33:39 PM1 votes

Deep Terror Nami

I might :) ...with what I do/did for a living I might actually be able to help you answer that Q. But, I won't do it here as a debatable subject :) As I said a # of times I have my home life to deal with 1st..however, I like you a lot and I value your opinion, if there where a way to talk to you I'd do it.

I am as frustrated as you about the comments that are just plain stupid ! I could go on about this..but I'd prefer to find a way to select members of our community to discuss such things ..

nerak2311/27/2015, 7:46:21 PM1 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/2016-season-update/social.html

I like what i read but I don't see how to join ? Say I'm like ^^ ...and I don't know how to join a group how do I do it ?

And:-

Because autism

Just wrong answer, this just proves the whole value of the thread !

nerak2311/27/2015, 7:52:39 PM1 votes

The Club system isn't up yet.

And I'm just going to ignore that other person's comment to not cause a scene.

DTN: Good for you please let me know how to join ;)