Is Braum Avarosan or Winter's Claw? Or Neither?

NA Darklarik·Apr 23, 2014·2 votes·11,258 views

Hes very clearly NOT Frostguard. I highly doubt hes Winter Claw, although he looks the part, hes far too friendly and protective of the weak to really fit in among those awesome savages (Cept Udyr, hes the non savage imo).

So my guys is hes Avarosan, considering his interaction with Tryndamere (calls him Friend), and Gragas (who is affiliated with the Avarosan tribe).

It is possible he is neutral though, his lore sudjests it. Which is why i would like a Red to Clarify.

Which side if he on?

17 Comments

RiotMorelloApr 23, 20149 votes

I believe he's firmly Avarosan, but also one of the "lighter" personalities from Freljord - there's a lot less room for that in the schemings of the Lissandra or the harsh survival nature of the Winter's Claw.

Braum relishes what he does with a moustache-covered grin, happy to help.

ShinRaigekiApr 23, 20142 votes

I was thinking the same. But part of me stands that he's the type who would gladly walk into Winter's Claw or Frostguard territories and help the innocent in need as long as it doesn't mean harming others, just temporarily disabling them.

Kira OnimeApr 23, 20143 votes

Sorry but Braum is clearly from the Armstrong http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4451538

Alice TwilightApr 23, 20142 votes

Honestly he only makes sense in Ashe's camp, Sej only respects strength and Lissandra is kind of evil. On that note Lissandra needs an actual ally in her faction, troll guy who is just waiting for an opportunity to stab her in the back doesn't really count. Heck rework Sion's abilities as ice and make him a frostborn that's loyal to her. Would kill 2 birds with one stone since he needs a new kit (you could even make new ice versions of his old abilities, his shield becomes an ice shield his stun gets a frozen in ice effect ect...) AND he desperately needs new lore, he's got some of the worst if not the worst lore in the game.

AbiwonKenabiApr 23, 20143 votes

Sion's identity as an undead soldier of NOXUS just wouldn't really fit in Freljord. I agree his lore and theme is weak right now, but there is still something there to work with. The reason they changed Trundle was that he was not really involved with the world, and Riot is trying to build a more cohesive world and story(or stories as it were). Since Sion is explicitly Noxian, it doesn't really make sense to reassign him someplace else. In fact, he is supposed to be one of Noxus' most beloved heroes, hence why he was brought back after he died to continue fighting their cause.

Alice TwilightApr 23, 20141 votes

Oh sure except that's basically the exact same lore that Urgot has, Sion has a very weak theme that's also already in LoL. Besides if they can completely change Trundle they can do the same to Sion who I don't even consider a character at this point. It states he has strong ties to noxus it doesn't do anything to reinforce that and between him and urgot their lore is completely redundant. I don't think you actually understood what I was saying earlier, I think his identity as an undead soldier of Noxus should be completely changed into something else, I'm not saying port him to Freljord as is.

AbiwonKenabiApr 23, 20141 votes

I understand you weren't saying "port Sion as is" but I was saying that Sion is NOXIAN and considering Noxus and Demacia are supposedly the central powers of the world, it wouldn't make sense to have ANOTHER Freljord champion. And who are you to say that Urgot fits the bill better than Sion. When I say "undead warrior" do you really think of someone like Urgot? No, you think of a decaying warrior in ragged armor pursuing you with a deadly weapon, shrugging off all of your attacks. I would definitely agree that Sion needs better characterization, but don't use Urgot--who arguably needs as much if not more--as an example of "undead warrior of Noxus we already have"

Alice TwilightApr 23, 20141 votes

I disagree there, I think urgot actually has a character (and he shows off the relationship between Noxus and Zaun which is important) while Sion has none. Like I can't play the guy because he is completely devoid of personality and is basically a character void. There's nothing to preserve about his character because there's nothing there, I agree urgot could use some touching up he's got something though. Sion just has a faux Schwarzenegger voice and makes a few reference in that direction. He also only has 9 VO lines anyway so even if you feel undead soldier of Noxus should be preserved he's still completely starting over from square one, because he's never left square one, he's super incomplete as a character.

AbiwonKenabiApr 23, 20141 votes

Characterization-wise, yes there's nothing. But there is hope for his theme, and a theme can greatly influence a character's personality. Jinx's theme is explosions and weaponry so a crazy, psychotic pyromaniac fits her perfectly.

Before Trundle's change, he was not associated with any major faction whatsoever. I can't even remember where he was actually from. Sion is the opposite. EVERYBODY knows he's from Noxus. To change that would just make no sense. You wouldn't change Katarina's affiliation, even though that is only one part of her character. Or how about Quinn's? There are a lot of things that you could change about Sion, I just don't think changing his Noxian background is one of them.

Alice TwilightApr 23, 20141 votes

Since I hated the Trundle rework I'm not going to address this(or perhaps I should to make my position on characterization completely clear but I don't feel I've been doing a bad job communicating it). But I will make a point about Sion's theme, he barely has one and if anything his theme is 'big guy with axe' his theme is as poorly developed as his character to the point where 'undead' and 'from Noxus' aren't prevalent at all. In this regard Quinn and Katarina are different, their personalities reflect where they're from to an extent. Quinn's loneliness reflects the rigid castes of Demacia, she's a social pariah for rising up above her station. Meanwhile yes Katarina's bloodthirstiness and violent attitude are perfect reflections of Noxus. Even if they say it a little too directly her lack of mercy or hesitation is why she's a big deal and not dead because Noxian politics are all about strength if you kill a political enemy then you were right and they were wrong. I think you would have a really good point about Sion's ties to noxus if his character were representative of Noxian ideals. Now granted even at the best of times LoL's lore is clumsily handled and often it's pulled off worse than that but most of the older characters who needed better lore got at least something and Sion's been horribly left behind here, especially considering he probably needed it the most for the longest amount of time. And now we're at a point where everything about him is bad and needs updating, his kit needs some work, he desperately needs a VU and his lore is borderline non-existent.

AbiwonKenabiApr 23, 20141 votes

I don't understand. You didn't like the Trundle rework, so you're suggesting they do the same for Sion? It's not as if Trundle was super in-depth either before his rework; as I recall most release champs only have a few lines. So why Freljord?

Every champion has SOME sort of identity even if it's mediocre at best. For Sion, he's got the undead warrior of Noxus thing going for him. So we make him from Freljord? What purpose does that serve? We make him a frozen corpse instead of a stitched up zombie with "cannibalism"? Additionally, Riot wants to majorly rework his kit so most of his abilities will probably change completely (say what you want about the Trundle rework, but the tweak they gave him both retained his gameplay feel AND made him better overall). You might as well make a brand new champion at that point.

I just don't get why you think we should change where Sion is from. Noxus is an iconic location that centers around perseverance and prowess in battle being more important than birthright--and Sion perseveres even after death. Noxus has a tradition of reviving their most beloved heroes, and Sion is one such example; but he's a shell of his former self, only having a single purpose: to fight for Noxus. How can you look at that and say: "Nope I don't see any opportunities for characterization. Better make him from Freljord because Lissandra needs a flunky."

HexIXIApr 24, 20142 votes

WHere did you read his lore?!??!!

Slug4lifeMay 25, 20142 votes

He's a 100% Avarosan. Although I'd really like if he was Frostguard. Trundle and Lissandra FTW.

Wolverine VMay 27, 20151 votes

i agree with you on that note

Wolverine VMay 27, 20151 votes

id say he could fit 50 50 into Avarosan Ashe Tryndamere Anivia Nunu Gragas and Winter Claw Sejuani Volibear Olaf Udyr because he is a might and strong champ who can chop an entire tree down with one sing of his hand and repel any force with his mighty shield in hand but then again he likes to help those of whom are in need and is peace loving so riot could put him on either team really but id like him on avarosan Ashe Tryndamere Anivia Nunu Gragas