Don't you think it's about time that Riot should either:
Cz sometimes, I just don't know wtf does Boards even want anymore...
Thefrostyviking7 votesHow is this an issue on ADC's more than anyone else ._.
Take a look at Korea, all AD assassin champs and several AD divers are permanently banned because of their ability to abuse lethality. Just last night i played against a noc whom with R-AA-Q could oneshot any squishy target. This combo took him 1,5 seconds to pull off not counting the dash time for his ulti.
There are 2 botlane ADC's using lethality, Jhin and MF. And the reason they are played and no one else is because of how safe they are while still dealing damage. Long range ults and abilities mixed with high movementspeed to run if someone tries to catch them.
And with all those rengar,kha6, talon, zed, nocturne's and talon's running around straight up oneshotting anything with less than 150 armor and 2 k health i see no reason at all to play something that can't survive it because those one or two of those fellows are in every single game i play.
Then we have Quinn. Who does exactly the same thing as those AD assassins but the reason everyone lose their shit is because she is ranged. Well here is a wakeup call, i lost all my shit earlier trying to play any ADC besides Jhin or MF because i died instantly trying to go into AA range. And i am a former plati who got there by playing by playing ADC more than not. I am fairly certain i know how to both kite and position but that doesnt matter much when someone does a Flash-Q-W and you die in 1,7 sec.
I used to play Ashe fairly well and i could even carry at times by good arrows and damage. However Ashe is garbage in this meta because she is really a archetype of sustained damage and get's screwed so hard by any form of burst. Few days ago i was still in the laning phase, i was going to my tower having recalled and suddenly a kha6 jumped out. I died before i could even flash and my support didn't even manage to exhaust in time.
And you people are wondering where all the "traditional" ADC's went? They died.
I used to play Ori and sometimes lux in the midlane as well. Then assassins got night's veil, run past the start of my combo and kill me before i can even land my second or third spell. So now i play Ahri just to permanently stay at max range and run if someone tries go near me.
I have lost track of how many people crying about "Quinn OP" or "jhin & MF OP"
Well fk! The reason they are OP is because they are the only ones that work in this toxic meta of who oneshots first by using lethality the best! Nerfing ADC's is not the damm solution. It's lethality itself and it's items that are way too OP. And no this does not mean i think it's alright that a MF q bounce can deal 40% of a squishes health nor do i think stacking lethality and armor shredd should be a thing since it causes someone with like 300 armor to go down to 80-90 something. However the issue is that every single lethality user is doing it. Not just the ADC's, not just the assassins or divers.
Every. Single .damn .one.
FrostyPacy2 votesYou forgot Varus
Thefrostyviking1 votesI saw someone trying to play him last night. He had 12 deaths and at least 7 of those from a nocturne ulting and oneshotting him.
Luckily i did the same to the enemy Draven with my Quinn. So it was all fair right? ._.
LordGeovanni5 votesexcept it never did suck on assassins it was better on adcs like it is now.
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesLethality items are toxic on everyone who uses them, especially EoN.
junglerboy162 votesThe problem is and always has been that marksmen in general abuse any item good on another class because they can invariably do the same type of things, just from range.
Anything with AD on it can be utilized by a marksman, and only items with melee only tags really keep them off it (believe me, if hydra didn't have that, every ADC would spam hydra for the AoE DPS and sustain, just imagine it with Runaan's... shudders)
AMYS GRAVE1 votesWell i can tell you we didn't want a straight up buff to the stat that multiple classes can make good use of, but some love for assassins as a class singularly. Also just as riot acknowledges their damage creep (damage mastery nerfs on the PBE) they buff damage in a big way by upping the value of early lethality by 50% (serrated dirk went from ignoring 4 armor at the low end to 6).
Mal the Red1 votes.6 on Melee .4 on Ranged
It's not that hard.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesAlmost, just make it .5 on melee and 70% of the total calculation (reducing the level dependent part as well) for ranged.
abca981 votes"But muh freedom of build" Seriously, I don't see the problem of restricting items if we can finally balance this.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesThe issue is that it's not necessary, it's lazy. You can just reduce effectiveness on ranged characters, instead of preventing them from buying it. And you can just find other values than 50% effectiveness on different items if not all of them have the same ranged bias.
Hyperiön1 votesPeople have been asking for Melee only items for such a long time. Rito cares to the ADC's needs the most.
SCPJumpscared2 votes
Hyperiön1 votesTake away those two items, whats left? Nothing. Lethality was designed for assassins. No reason why it shouldn't be melee only.
Nightmar3Fuel1 votesIdk what your talking about leathality zed is op there is no reason to build zhonyas except for the active at this point
Photos of Ghosts1 votesOr just fucking
Elisheva1 votesFor some reason, riot has a stick up their ass when it comes to making certain items melee exclusive, and others ranged exclusive. Give certain items the "
" treatment and watch a lot of these problems go out the window.
flibitydoo1 votesman remember 6 months ago when people were complaining about how adcs all build crit
and that they wanted crit to be deleted
and for adcs to have consistent builds that didn't have any rng associated
ZT Xperimentor1 votesWe want some common sense to go along with all drastic changes.
