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The automated chat restriction system is only the SECOND most broken system in game.

Odyssey Sona··3 votes·595 views

Everyone's been aware for a while now that the report system is automated.

There's something much more inherently wrong with the behavior system and how it's conducted. Unfortunately I can't go into it because I stumbled unintentionally on an easily repeatable exploit that wipes your behavior slate clean.

At one point, on another non NA server, I had a 28 game chat restriction. Had.

I bought an item in the store, logged off for work.

Came back -- the chat restriction was gone.

There is a bugged item in the shop that I can not share because it'd be the spreading of an exploit that wipes a player's behavior slate clean.

It shows there's a massive issue in the fundamentals of league's coding that can not be ignored.

If a rioter wants to talk about it -- it's definitely a replicable glitch/exploit that other players have been using after I asked around -- then feel free. I don't know how to contact rioters.

If a rioter wants to reapply the punishment I unintentionally avoided, I'll give the proper information needed. I never intended for this to happen.

It's one thing for a system to unjustly punish players, a system that was doomed to fail from the beginning from the nasty report culture that's been festering for ages.

It's another thing to be able to buy any sort of disciplinary action off.

14 Comments

Eleshakai2 votes

Or, ya know, it's possible Riot found a false positive and manually corrected it.

Correllation != Causation.

Odyssey Sona2 votes

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Or, ya know, it's possible Riot found a false positive and manually corrected it.

Correllation != Causation.

Riot doesn't look at the automated chat restrictions. This is a proven fact. People just have to take their XX chat restrictions.

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Oh god is this the server transfer exploit again?

No -- different exploit.

Eleshakai2 votes

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Riot doesn't look at the automated chat restrictions. This is a proven fact. People just have to take their XX chat restrictions.

No -- different exploit.

You know what they say about assuming.

Odyssey Sona1 votes

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You know what they say about assuming.

Not assuming anything since it has been proven time and time again that they are 100% automated by players intentionally running experiments.

They only ask to be reported post game for verbal as part of an experiment -- study etc. Say NOT A SINGLE WORD ALL GAME -- and then still find a chat restriction.

Jubbinaut2 votes

It's nice to have your word for this, but do you have anything more substantial?

Odyssey Sona1 votes

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It's nice to have your word for this, but do you have anything more substantial?

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/XdlAUlTK-verbal-abuse-100-automated-get-anyone-banned-even-if-they-dont-say-a-word-here-is-how?show=flat Substantial enough?

Jubbinaut3 votes

So instead of taking your word for it, you want me to take someone else's word for it? That's not proof. It's not even evidence. It's one random person making a claim that flies in the face of what few things are actually known about the system.

Issues I see with his "experiment":

  • Pre- and Post-game chat are monitored by the chat detection algorithm. The word "report" is a commonly recognized trigger word (calling for reports can be punishable).
  • It fails to account for games prior to the beginning of the experiment that may have been included as part of the review. Keeping in mind that it used to take being reported in 12-25% of played games before a case was built, it's highly unlikely that a mere 15 games broke that threshold.
  • He offers no data on actual report rates in those 15 games - again, though he makes the claim that only those games led to his chat restriction, he has no actual evidence to support that claim.

In short: That's not proof. It's a simple case of Confirmation Bias expressing itself.

Either that, or it's someone intentionally trolling people to get them to burn reports for no benefit. Either way.

EDIT: Removed a point, as re-reading showed that I had missed a couple key sentences.

Odyssey Sona1 votes

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So instead of taking your word for it, you want me to take someone else's word for it? That's not proof. It's not even evidence. It's one random person making a claim that flies in the face of what few things are actually known about the system.

Issues I see with his "experiment":

  • Pre- and Post-game chat are monitored by the chat detection algorithm. The word "report" is a commonly recognized trigger word (calling for reports can be punishable).
  • It fails to account for games prior to the beginning of the experiment that may have been included as part of the review. Keeping in mind that it used to take being reported in 12-25% of played games before a case was built, it's highly unlikely that a mere 15 games broke that threshold.
  • He offers no data on actual report rates in those 15 games - again, though he makes the claim that only those games led to his chat restriction, he has no actual evidence to support that claim.

In short: That's not proof. It's a simple case of Confirmation Bias expressing itself.

Either that, or it's someone intentionally trolling people to get them to burn reports for no benefit. Either way.

EDIT: Removed a point, as re-reading showed that I had missed a couple key sentences.

You are asking people to screen shot every game they ask for reports very kindly -- asking for a recording of each and every game so you can monitor the chat -- and then asking for screen shots that prove they did in fact get a chat restriction.

And if you think writing the word 'report' once is grounds for being banned, you need some help.

Someone can say 'Just report that player post game and mute him' -- that's not a bannable offense.

You're being slightly unreasonable at the least. Companies promise they'll do things and not always pull through or tell the truth. You clearly weren't around for the Devil incident, and that massive leak that riot swept under the rug. Riot consistently sweeps problems under the rug, but it's getting better now. I made this thread to address the exploit and the flaw in some basic barebones coding.

Whether or not chat restrictions are automated doesn't excuse the fact that there is an exploit in the game that removes punishments.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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You are asking people to screen shot every game they ask for reports very kindly -- asking for a recording of each and every game so you can monitor the chat -- and then asking for screen shots that prove they did in fact get a chat restriction.

No, I'm saying that I'd like a little actual evidence with my so-called "proof." I don't think that's unreasonable.

And if you think writing the word 'report' once is grounds for being banned, you need some help.

Someone can say 'Just report that player post game and mute him' -- that's not a bannable offense.

First: You're jumping to conclusions, as I didn't say anything even resembling what you're indicating.

Second: He obviously didn't say it "once." He said it at least 15 times, and it's not unreasonable to assume it's 30 or more.

Third: It can be, yes. Calling for reports is considered to be toxic behavior, as it's a form of bullying.

Whether or not chat restrictions are automated doesn't excuse the fact that there is an exploit in the game that removes punishments.

And I have said absolutely nothing relating to that. Because that's a pretty major bug, and while I don't see any evidence of it beyond your claim, I also understand - and appreciate - the reasoning behind how you've approached it.

Although, I think you may have more success with a Support ticket, or perhaps contacting Lyte directly via Twitter (@RiotLyte).

Even so, Eleshakai does make a good point. It may have less to do with there being an exploit and more to do with them finding one of the rare false positives on secondary review and removing the restrictions you shouldn't have received.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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Riot doesn't look at the automated chat restrictions. This is a proven fact. People just have to take their XX chat restrictions.

I'm sorry, would you care to show your proof? Because this is pretty much exactly contrary to Riot's claims.

nerak232 votes

Someone can say 'Just report that player post game and mute him' -- that's not a ban-able offense.

From my understanding asking to have others report a person Is a punishable offensive. If it happens enough times I can see it being a bigger punishment under the rules as I have heard them.

Also, and not to try to invalidate your point ...If someone wishes to prove Riot is lying then it is Reasonable for them to show any and all proof of it, not just their word for it. So, asking for screenshots and ect. is what is Needed to prove the allegation

You are asking people to screen shot every game they ask for reports very kindly -- asking for a recording of each and every game so you can monitor the chat -- and then asking for screen shots that prove they did in fact get a chat restriction.

You are trying to make the point, it is very Reasonable that you prove it to every possible existent If you wish to convince others of it.

Odyssey Sona1 votes

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From my understanding asking to have others report a person Is a punishable offensive. If it happens enough times I can see it being a bigger punishment under the rules as I have heard them.

Also, and not to try to invalidate your point ...If someone wishes to prove Riot is lying then it is Reasonable for them to show any and all proof of it, not just their word for it. So, asking for screenshots and ect. is what is Needed to prove the allegation You are asking people to screen shot every game they ask for reports very kindly -- asking for a recording of each and every game so you can monitor the chat -- and then asking for screen shots that prove they did in fact get a chat restriction.

You are trying to make the point, it is very Reasonable that you prove it to every possible existent If you wish to convince others of it.

This was never about the basically proven automated restrictions -- this was more about the fact that there is an exploit that others have used (and I have unintentionally stumbled on just by buying something from the shop) that gets rid of your restrictions, and possibly wipes your whole behavior slate.

Raptamei1 votes

Oh god is this the server transfer exploit again?

nerak231 votes

This was never about the basically proven automated restrictions -- this was more about the fact that there is an exploit that others have used (and I have unintentionally stumbled on just by buying something from the shop) that gets rid of your restrictions, and possibly wipes your whole behavior slate.

I understand and commend you for trying to bring it to the attention of Riot and others.

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