BLAME THE JUNGLE!

Happens to Me a ton. I remember being Jungle, And I'm not even joking, Before I even Started taking my Blue Buff (I went Red first) Mid lane Spams Help pings. I Look over there and Enemy is Dancing Gangnam Style in front of her turret. I figure since they're both at Full HP, She really doesn't Need my Help. Besides, I'm still level 2. My Ganks would be Horrid.

Not even 1 minute Later

: FIRST BLOOD

: Report olaf, doesn't know how to gank

: ... You're joking, right?

My favorite one:

Support: Why is Mao never where we need him? Mid lane: You mean despite him having 100% kill participation and feeding all three lanes? Support: I just died! Mid lane: Yeah, because you were in the enemy's red, at level 4, alone, and engaged on Rengar. While he was at his own red, at level 4, alone.

Also. I love carries who appreciate junglers and supports. You guys are my favorite, as a jungler. Carries who bash their supp/junglers? Ask actors what happens when they bash on their tech crew. Or pilots what happens when they bash their ground crew. You guys get the kills and buy the big items. We'll just be over here peeling and setting up for you, because it's a team game and we have a job too.

Unsung heroes. :D

** /pats**

You can have my upvote because you're a jungler who wards.

I remember seeing this a lot pre-30 (I would never recommend anyone else main jungle pre-30, let alone pre-20) but it's not so bad once you get up a way's in the ranked ladder.

I do have one funny story of this from plat though:

Me: Vlad's just sitting under his turret? spams pings Afk I guess. I'll just do my buffs and then hold the lane... Vlad: enters the lane 3 minutes into the game and tries to farm normally vs a Nidalee An ally has been slain Vlad: teleports top An ally has been slain Vlad: GG useless jungler. (At this point the Nid has 2 levels on me and is freezing so I give up on him and go get bot rolling) An ally has been slain Lucian: gets double kill from my gank dude just wait until she pushes to the tower so you can catch up. Vlad: No I need a gank All: You're Vlad. She's Nid. Vlad: Gank or I'm afk. Me: Gives Lucian another double kill An ally has been slain Lucian: Nami I'm fine here go support Vlad. Vlad: runs past Nid and dies to turret All: Dude seriously. Vlad: Stfu this noob jungle doesn't deserve to win. Lucian gets double kill on his own Jungle/Mid/Support all go top and shut down the Nid Vlad: TP's mid, runs into tower to give the mid a kill Lucian: We can 4v5 right now Vlad, just farm bot for now. Vlad: No I don't want this jungler to win feeds endlessly Game ends Lucian: Well good try guys, we almost did it. Vlad: Stupid jungler... rage rage rage Vlad has sent you a friend request

Oh, I love these threads. I jungle a lot, barely get the rage but when I do... This is a story back on Season 2. No, I'm not claiming I was good at the time either... but...

: "Nocturne! We need a gank at bottom lane!" : (Well, that's odd. They're super pushed, but they're Ezreal and Blitz, I'm sure they got a plan going.) "Ok guys, Ulting in!" Ult + Spellshield! Enemy : NOTHING CAN HOLD ME BACK PLUS THEY CAN NEVER MILK THOSE. Q THE SPELL SHIELD ON NOCTURNE FOR MY CARRY + HEADBUTT NOCTURNE! : Arcane Shift + UNDER THEIR TOWER. ENEMY DOUBLE KILL : "FUCK YOU NOCTURNE, YOU RAN AWAY YOU COWARDLY PIECE OF SHIT." : "But I was headbutted away... you guys blew everything and their Jungler counterganked..." : "FUCK YOU NOCTURNE. STOP TAKING MY CREEPS. Spams pings, YOU'RE BANNED FROM MY LANE. GTFO SCRUB."

5 minutes later... at Top Lane

Double kill! : "Thanks Nocturne! Hold lane while I b and buy." : "Nocturne useless. Never ganks ever. " : "Didn't you ban him from ganking your lane? Besides, he just got double kill at top and he's 5/0/3" : "LOL" An ally has disconnected : "LOL" : Sorry guys =(

Happened to me just last game... I was farming my jungle, and i had the enemy toplane tribrush warded. Somehow, the Xerath top lane still dies to a gank. So later, I go up, and get baited into a double kill. At which point the morgana was doing report threats. I explained myself because by that point, I had tried to gank every lane while they fed. The syndra was carrying, to which point they all went mid, and killed her. Syndra was like xerath and ez suck, because evidentally, I would walk in on a feed fest and get blamed for running or dying. I mean, I was losing my own gold to try and help these guys, and they thank me with report threats and deaths. I was not perfect that game either, but you know, being that I was the jungler, it is hard to save a sinking ship without the crew.

TL;DR- Being the jungler comes with blame game as an occupational hazard.

I love when laners are pushed to the enemy tower the whole time without wards, die to a gank, and say "WOW, Lee Sin has been top 7 times. Fking terrible jungle."

I'm like, I would be top 7 times too if the other laner was always pushed without wards...

People are bad. Most bad players are the ones that talk trash. If you die its your fault. I learn from each death and do not make the same mistake twice in the same game. If I am losing lane I will freeze turret and wait for jungle or help. If a laner dies more than one time and isnt freezing lane by farming in turret then they are just bad. Even if I am playing adc and my support is awful I still will not blame them for my deaths because I will just play around them being bad.

Had a & bot. Of course, do you really think they are here to carry the game? After 5 minutes, all they did is continuously feed, as I don't remember the enemy jungler ever came bot, Then they said (I was Nautilus):

: Naut u fking idiot, come gank!! u srsly suck man.... : y do you even play the game? u dun even know how to help win lanes : you guys are talking a lot of irony in terms of your champ picks....

Comes with the territory. Welcome to jungling!

It's not all bad though. Anyone that blames the jungler for their own deaths is obviously a bad player, so that tells me to spend my time and ganks elsewhere. And since anyone typing rude things at their jungler is obviously so busy spouting their opinion, they obviously don't need their lane farm, so I might come by and tax 2 or 3 waves from them. Makes it easier to carry their sorry butts with my competent team mates! #kappa

(Just ignore anyone that blames you for something that's not your fault. Literally mute them and focus your time elsewhere. You'll play better, you'll win more, you'll be happier)

it's only mandatory to blame your jungler when he feeds your lane dubuffs at level 3

it's also kind of annoying when you get camped and your jungler is just farming his flare or something, but meh. whatcha gonna do? no point getting mad since that makes him even less likely to gank your lane, or if he does he'll do it while angry and run into every skillshot and die lol.

I love the laners that decide to flame me while im jungling and expect ganks in return.

Yeah, the standard laner "Gank me n00b! Why u never gank me?". Me "Because you are always dead when you ask me to." I definitely know what you mean, it is almost as bad as support, huge impact, but also all the hate.

Do you guys think or hope that the jungle changes will make jungling easier for you all? Riot said that ganking should decrease on mid lane IIRC.

You think you have it bad? My team loses the game even when I gank all lanes, lose their lanes. Most of the time my bot team loses in their trades, I go down and gank a few times. NEGLECTING TOP, then top loses, mids getting destroyed, go to mid gank help him get 2 kills, go top kill enemy champion, bot loses tower and gets f'ed. Check my Shaco history, 23 kills later and we still lose the game.

I don't get called out on shitty ganks, I do mah job.

I had a game with an amazing jungler, but I got outplayed by the enemy mid laner, spent the entire game apologising to him, but he was so nice about it :D

And got our top lane Vayne fed.

you didnt do shit. top vayne gets fed on her own.

mute, report and move on. its annoying but theres nothing you can do about it. if youre polite or silent it doesnt matter if they report you, nothing will come of it.

Its pretty much the same way as support, for example: Hang on, I'm changing some settings, be careful. An Ally has been slain /All Report Alistar, terrible support /All Are you serious? I wasn't even in lane!

it happens to me every so often, like once in a blue moon but usually because i end up carrying to a extent or else i would proably be getting alot more harrasement, like the xin from my last game, every lane lost and mid annie blamed jung even thought the reason i got fed was because of me camping mid.

Even if I go 0/7 in lane and was ganked 5 times, I never blame the jungle.

People think of junglers as 'support for the entire map.' I usually have at least one lane made at me by 10 minutes, but you have to ignore them.

ps my in-game-name is literally 'blame the jungler'

Had a bot lane that ran Alistar and Malphite, no adc. They didn't leash for me.

then they start doing bad and demanded that I gank for them, so i do but they die before i can get in.

then mid lane starts bitching because im at bot, so he says "im gonna do what you are doing and afk farm jungle" trying to grief me out of exp and gold. If he were really going to do what i was doing, he would have placed some fucking wards, and ganked bottom for me but no, he wanted to be useless and as toxic as possible.

So I muted the whole team and started afk farming.

This is more of a dbag 4 man premade issue than a jungler issue.

If you find yourself getting blamed as a jungler in a non-premade situation, more often than not, you screwed up. It's a more nuanced role than others, so maybe you don't understand where you are screwing up. That still doesn't change the basic mistakes junglers make all the time and never change because they chalk up everything to "teem juzt blaem juggler"

true story. I was Maokai jg and was ganking every lane constantly. Even after ganking bot lane twice getting a kill, assist, and making the enemy back once they lost lane. I ganked mid numerous times (we had a fizz against ryze) so i thought it was a good idea to get him fed against his counter. Lee was fed top lane after I got him first blood so i didn't even bother ganking his lane afte that. I focused entirely on mid and bot, but somehow bot lane still got a MISS FORTUNE fed, as LUCIAN. fizz was surviving and doing quite well. I think he was like 5/3. So here's how the conversation went: : Why can't you help bot more. trash jungle (Me): I ganked your lane twice... : Mao's been everywhere : stays silent at this point the game starts goin bad. Lee gets shutdown by their ryze who came top and then came back mid to get a kill on fizz. Bot lane was destroying and when Me'n fizz went botlane we got counterganked by their toplane shen and panth jg. At this point i think i was 9/4. And soon became the only one with positive kda. Lucian started slacking and acting like a jerk. We would go into teamfights and he would AA the minions or go and take the buffs. When we tried to get him back into it he got angry and tried to tell me everything I was doing was wrong. I go to take dragon and he runs into a 2v1 and dies. Blames me. We lost the game in the end. I was 13/7/15. At the end of game lucian naturally says, " Trash jungle no good report bad maokai." I was sad

I normally am very self-focused about my lane, especially when I play mid. It's funny, in high gold / plat, the phrase "no summoners / flash XXXXX champ" almost always means "I screwed up, bail me out."

However, the current meta does strongly favor (early) ganking junglers over farming junglers. For instance, I recently had a game as Gnar top vs. Nasus. This is a lane matchup which strongly favors me. However, at level 2, the enemy Rengar came from behind me (our own jungle) and his bola + nasus wither forced my flash. He then sat in top brush for 2 more levels, effectively zoning me while Nasus farmed.

I didn't die. I farmed what I could. However, Nasus got a gold lead he never really relinquished at the cost of Rengar's XP and gold. Now, this means we should be able to capitalize elsewhere on the map. Gank bot, do dragon, sit mid, do something. However, our feral flare Nocturne didn't do any of that. We didn't punish Rengar for wasting time top. There was a Nasus top and Vayne bot. Guess who outscaled. It wasn't our Nocturne.

What do I want from a level 2-4 Nocturne? Well, I for one would prefer he consider team comp when selecting his champ. He wasn't forced into the role and already knew they had a Nasus and Rengar. Nocturne isn't a very favorable champ in this situation. Second, once it becomes clear that the opposing jungler is applying heavy pressure, don't go feral flare, go elder lizard. This kind of goes along with "what could I have done better?" I could have looked more to capitalize on my teleport being up, but again we weren't making any plays anywhere for me to teleport in to. I also needed to somehow move the minion wave closer to my turret, but Nasus did a really good job of freezing.

In this sense, you can't just afk farm while their jungler makes major impacts upon lanes. That doesn't work at the moment. Even when lanes don't die to ganks, the pressure is often enough to get them behind their lane opponents. If a jungler is exerting heavy pressure upon a lane, you need to answer.

So yes, it's not the jungler's fault when you die. Ward, have map awareness, have an escape route available, etc. But the jungler can't be inactive or just afk farm. You gotta gank during lane phase and attempt to force objectives. That's currently where the meta is at.