Idiot junglers.

Mayonnaise Is Ok·Nov 22, 2014·2 votes·1,670 views

I'm not one of those "BLAME THE JUNGLER" people... BUT... Wasn't the whole point of making the new jungle harder, to make the jungler HELP lanes more? I believe it was said that increasing the damage and spawn times of camps was to get the jungler more involved with the lanes and his fucking job. How come we still have idiots who are in the jungle farming the whole game and then blame the lanes for losing. "Why should I gank your lane, you're losing it" YOUR FUCKING JOB IS TO HELP ME WIN IT AFTER I LOST IT. Yes, I admit it, I lost lane... Now do your fucking job and help the lane. I don't think most "junglers" out there know what jungling even means. Whenever I see we have a tanky or supporty type jungle I get so happy because I know and trust they'll help out lanes. But when I see a Shyvana or a fucking Riven jungle I wanna instantly AFK. Wtf does Shyvana even do? She walks up in lane, enemy walks away. Nice gank. I wish more people watched streamers for help and tips on how to play the game because I'm sick and tired of "junglers" who only come to a lane if they can get a kill. When I jungle I ward lanes, I keep my screen on the lanes while I'm killing monsters, and I help out the lane that's either in need of the most help, or the lane that's most open. Keeping our team from feeding further, and helping our team mates who are already fed. Stop being selfish assholes and start jungling CORRECTLY. Your job is not about YOU, it's about helping your team.

Side note: Trick2G might be a funny and cool guy to watch but he doesn't know shit about jungling and he was boosted to his division so PLEASE don't try to do what he does because not only will you not do it the correct way, but it'll just fuck over your team. Jungling for 20 mins then attempting to split push doesn't work in the average game where people don't play with strategy. I play with gold and plat and people try to play like diamonds. Just gank lanes and help push towers. 100 stacks on Feral Flare doesn't compensate for all of our towers being destroyed. 20 minutes into a game and the jungler is 0/0/0. Something's wrong.

16 Comments

Brenticus12Nov 22, 20146 votes

Actually the jungle was made harder so that early gankers like Lee Sin are punished for NOT farming and failing ganks. Before, if a Lee Sin fails a gank, he can just head back to the jungle, kill a few creeps, pop a potion then gank the same lane again 2 minutes later. He could essentially camp the lane and still not miss out on gold or exp.

Now that's not the case and junglers have to be sure of when to gank and if they fail, there are consequences outside of just dying to the enemy or letting your laners die. It means the jungler will have a harder time getting back into the game.

Kuroi86Nov 22, 20144 votes

^^^ This guy gets it. Junglers either have to be farm heavy, or gank heavy, they can't do both anymore. It's meant to put an end to the 3 jungle meta and open the doors for more options.

Also, if you're losing lane, you should already know how to save yourself without having the jungle come to save you every time.

Brenticus12Nov 22, 20143 votes

Yeah, you summed it up well. Also, junglers won't bother ganking losing lanes unless it's a garaunteed kill or if he has nothing to do.

If you lose lane, you have no carry potential so the jungler will just go to other lanes to snowball them so they have a chance at winning.

And losing lane doesn't just mean dying once. It means getting out-CS'd, outlevelled and not being able to do anything beyond tower farming.

buster kitonNov 22, 20143 votes

The thing is that most junglers take too much damage+lose too much mana after clearing the jungle to help. Sure they have more time, but they have to back way more often than before.

ˆˆººNov 22, 20143 votes

"I'm not one of those "BLAME THE JUNGLER" people..."

There are 2 ways for a jungler to assist lanes atm. One being to gank, the other being complete jungle domination. If as a jungler I can disable the enemy jungler than I've successfully removed a player's impact from the game and assisted all 3 lanes at once. If one of my lanes can't pull off a 1on1 than who's fault is that? The jungler of course!

The jungle has JUST CHANGED substantially. Your lane has not changed at all. How about you give junglers more than 2-3 days(especially these maintenance/lagtastic days) to figure out what they are doing.

Also, this update was stated to provide strategic diversity, not higher gank potential. In fact, Riot has said specifically that since the jungle was dominated by gank-heavy champs like Lee Sin, this update was implemented to counteract that. The exact opposite of what you've taken out of all the buzz around the update. Try jungling yourself.

JadeKnightblazerNov 22, 20142 votes

I would like to also to point out that the new jungle is very unforgiving early game. Failed ganks and not clearing out the jungle before trying ganks leaves the jungler 1 - 2 levels behind lanes.

Simple fact is, The new jungle is not like S4. There is little room to gank lanes (early on) until lvl 7+ or mid game starts. Meaning Lanes need to understand that early ganks are not really a thing anymore and should play safe in their lanes. Laners: Be smart, don't overextend, do well on trades. Know that when the Jungler is ready (when they have their jungle under control, clear times, items, health management), they will start the ganks.

I myself mostly play an Aatrox Champ and have learnt a very well jungle route, item buys, and timers that allow me to steal dragon at lvl 6 solo. Long as the lanes Play safe and smart, they will soon have a nice first dragon buff on their champs and rek lanes with.

To me it comes to. If I can get the early kill/gank, yes I will go for it, else I am going my job: objective control --> Dragon, Crab, Baron. In which I can help all lanes at one time.

Angry MonsterNov 22, 20142 votes

I am sry but its not the junglers job to win your losing lane. Junglers are supposed to try and apply pressure in lanes .

When a jungler ganks the damage has to come from 2 sources to get a kill. If you are low on health or are behind on items your lane is harder to make a successful gank. At some point its a death trap for the jungler to try to save the failing laner.

What are you doing to make it so the jungler can gank? Or are you just praying that a god jungler will make a god play and save your ass?

KzooCrasherNov 22, 20142 votes

I believe it was said that increasing the damage and spawn times of camps was to get the jungler more involved with the lanes and his fucking job. How come we still have idiots who are in the jungle farming the whole game and then blame the lanes for losing.

Well you are completely wrong :D the point is to make junglers make meaningful choices... one of those choices is clearing the jungle. If you need a jungler to win your lane for you this isn't your game bro

FiendOfOneNov 22, 20142 votes

Junglers have a lot more jobs than 'helping someone win lane.' We need to track the enemy jungler, keep our own income and levels up, etc. Also, no, if you're losing lane, especially hard, we're going to help the other two lanes win. Going into a fed lane is a recipe for a double kill. Also: lanes should be warding lanes. Junglers have other places to ward (like the enemy jungle).

The new jungle is unforgiving, and us junglers have got to be on top of our game. We're still learning how this new jungle works for us, and it's taking a TON of adjustment for us. Some junglers (maokai) can pop a level 3 gank fairly easily at 80%+ health. Others... not so much.

I have to agree with the above. You clearly don't get the role of the jungler in these games. Some junglers are carries in their own right - and they need to be able to carry. This is a game about objectives, and that is the junglers job - to ensure that we're taking objectives. Your lane is less important than the whole game.

OneSlickPhonyNov 23, 20141 votes

As in both buffs and a Gromp/Krug camp? Teach me, I have no idea how to use the new jungle. (Maokai)

FiendOfOneNov 23, 20142 votes

As in both buffs and a Gromp/Krug camp? Teach me, I have no idea how to use the new jungle. (Maokai)

Start blue. At 1:20, start putting saplings on the blue (You should get 3 down before blue spawns). Of course, have a leash. Smite the Golem near the end for maximum mana return. Pick up your Q, go to wolves, tossing a sapling on the way. Just clear them, and you should use a potion here. Go straight over to red, and smite it, again near the end (and probably use your second potion). You should come out of it with 75% health or so (smite buff off red), and can go straight to the nearby lane for a gank. Top lane should be about level 3, bot laners at level 2.

I run 0/19/11 masteries. Defense: Enchanted Armor 2, Tough Skin 2, Vet's Scars 3, Bladed Armor, Oppression, Juggernaut, Hardiness 3, Resistance 3, Perseverance 3. Utility: Fleet of Foot 1, Meditation 3, Scout, Summoner's Insight 3, Alchemist, Runic Affinity, Culinary Master.

Move Speed quints, Attack Speed marks, flat armor seals, scaling MR glyphs. I would do CDR marks, but I usually end up with max CDR anyway. (I'm still experimenting around with my rune pages).

This should give you the sustain and clear you need to get through. With Maokai's passive, you may end up coming out of the gank with MORE health, so go grab another camp and then another gank, then I usually b after that. I tend to pick up Stalker's into Juggernaut, mob boots, and the rest of the itemization dependent on flow of the game (though I try to get spirit visage for more sustain at some point).

EDIT: After red you should be level 3, pick up your root for the gank.

AtheosisXNov 22, 20142 votes

Someone totally misunderstood the intent of these changes it seems.

MrSlowDieNov 22, 20141 votes

"Why should I gank your lane, you're losing it" YOUR FUCKING JOB IS TO HELP ME WIN IT AFTER I LOST IT. Yes, I admit it, I lost lane... Now do your fucking job and help the lane.

there's no point on helping someone that 0-4'ed in lane, better help snowballing lane

you make it like jungler is support, the difference is jungler is a slave to everyone while support only do it for ADC

BeatzBoyFTWNov 22, 20141 votes

I never depended on my jungler to win the lane for me. Being a top/mid laner, I always just look out for myself without any outside help. If the enemy jungler is coming by, imma just ward and stay out of the way til he piss off. If I get ganked on my ass and die, then I admit it's my fault, I wasn't aware enough of my surroundings, I got cocky diving onto enemy Syndra when all she does is taunting/laughing at me with Ctrl+1 & 4.

Usually I depend on my own jungler is gank where he seem fit to gank, most pref on a "more win-ish" side on either the other two lanes besides mine. If my lane is pushed a lil too hard, it is pretty hopeless to call out my jungle to push my lane back for me. I rather just wait for my other 2 lanes to finish killing the 1st tower, and then come help me at mid to rush through mid inhib together.

If you actually depended on your jungler too much, you gonna run into some serious psychological problems if you know what I mean.

SmokingPuffinNov 23, 20141 votes

Wasn't the whole point of making the new jungle harder, to make the jungler HELP lanes more?

That was the opposite of the point.

AozoraNov 23, 20141 votes

The jungler's job isn't to win lane for you. If you're losing lane, make yourself as easy to carry as possible. The jungler ganks winning lanes to help them snowball and carry. We also have to keep tabs on objectives, timers, the enemy jungler, and provide vision. Ganking is just one of the few things we do.