Stop Harassing People for not taking Flash

Avios1··14 votes·2,381 views

Im sick and tired of it. I tend to get harassed every game I don't take flash because its a personal preference of mine. I don't care what other people think flash is, I just don't prefer using it, so stop flaming people for what they prefer to use.

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Rueian11 votes

I dont agree with the harassing, but realistically there is 0 reason not to take flash, it is objectively the best summoner in the game. You arn't going to get far without it. I respect that you dont like using it, but really you are just gimping yourself. If i was jungling against your team, i'd be camping you non stop for not having flash or atleast ghost. You need a defensive movement summoner spell.

Ouroborous HD3 votes

because of how good flash is it is directly contributing to toxicity in the game. plz remove flash.

Rueian6 votes

Thats not entirely true. what contributes to it is the fact that this is a competitive game with casual players, there is no way to separate the two.

Rinky Dinky5 votes

pls remove the ability to control champions

it is op and creating toxicity it should be a movie

redniwediS1 votes

There are a number of reasons to not take flash, however most of them involve either highly mobile top laners taking ignite/teleport or junglers taking teleport/smite. Both of these have their own strengths and weaknesses, but if played correctly they can match a typical set of summoners up until at least a Plat level of play.

Avios13 votes

If I was jungling in General, I would bust someone's flash and camp them until they learn to play safe. Personally, I prefer heal/barrier for my summoner spell instead of Flash. It is just better overall, and it provides better help for the team, Heal your team, clarity to provide mana, clairvoyance for vision, etc. I just prefer not to take flash because its on a 5 minute cooldown for a short-ranged blink.

~avi

Avios16 votes

To all of you who disagree, here is my personal reason why I decide not to take flash:

Pros: Can blink over walls/veigar stun Allows you to get closer to opponents or allies Is significant in tricking opponents where you went Allows you to secure kills

Cons: Has a 300 second cooldown (240 with Distortion (Which no one ever really takes)) Chance of not jumping far enough Mobile champs catch up easily anyways Common mistake of flashing a inch before dying trying to activate other spells.

To me, although the Pros usually outweigh the cons, I just don't prefer flash mostly due to the 5 minute cooldown on it. I believe that taking something like Exhaust, heal, barrier, or ignite is much more useful due to the lower cooldown and being able to take in and dish out more damage.

John JJ Schmidt1 votes

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To all of you who disagree, here is my personal reason why I decide not to take flash:

Pros: Can blink over walls/veigar stun Allows you to get closer to opponents or allies Is significant in tricking opponents where you went Allows you to secure kills

Cons: Has a 300 second cooldown (240 with Distortion (Which no one ever really takes)) Chance of not jumping far enough Mobile champs catch up easily anyways Common mistake of flashing a inch before dying trying to activate other spells.

Even if it were double that cooldown, I'd still take it. It's too useful for securing an important kill or getting away from someone who's starting to snowball.

You eventually learn which walls you can and can't Flash over, so "not jumping far enough" will not be an issue anymore.

As far as mobile champions catching back up, you should never rarely just Flash straight away from the enemy, they are most likely going to just catch you again. Flash over a wall, forcing them to burn their Flash as well if they want to kill you. Many champs can hop over walls without Flash, but at least you go from 5v1 to 1v1, giving you a chance to turn it around, or make it to your team before you die.

Accidentally hitting Flash because you are smashing they keyboard trying to hit some other spell just before you die is definitely not a downside to Flash itself. Don't do that, lol.

Bunny Bells2 votes

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Even if it were double that cooldown, I'd still take it. It's too useful for securing an important kill or getting away from someone who's starting to snowball.

You eventually learn which walls you can and can't Flash over, so "not jumping far enough" will not be an issue anymore.

As far as mobile champions catching back up, you should never rarely just Flash straight away from the enemy, they are most likely going to just catch you again. Flash over a wall, forcing them to burn their Flash as well if they want to kill you. Many champs can hop over walls without Flash, but at least you go from 5v1 to 1v1, giving you a chance to turn it around, or make it to your team before you die.

Accidentally hitting Flash because you are smashing they keyboard trying to hit some other spell just before you die is definitely not a downside to Flash itself. Don't do that, lol.

Some champions do utilize it better than others.

Annie Flash+Tibbers, why wouldn't you take that?

But it shouldn't be something you're forced to take to avoid flak from your team.

And if you're ever 5v1 that means there aren't enough wards and you're positioned horribly. This again turns flash into an "OH SHIT I GOOFED" button.

John JJ Schmidt3 votes

Oh you definitely shouldn't take crap from your team for not taking Flash. I was just trying to counter the cons :)

I only play support Thresh, so for me, being able to Flash in and Death Sentence, or Flash out and Lantern to get someone else out is just too handy.

pripustas5 votes

Shyvana summoner 3 summoner 11 <3

Nameless Voice2 votes

Evelynn summoner 3 summoner 11 <3

Dead enemies: "Who takes Exhaust on Eve?!"

viken5 votes

Everyone takes it for a reason. Did you just vow not to take it, is it like "You told me to take flash so I'm not gonna do it"? It's SO easy to take advantage of someone that doesn't have flash, literally one of the jungler's jobs is to burn the laner's flash so they can kill them later. Nobody deserves harassment, but I can see why it would be frustrating.

Xonra3 votes

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Everyone takes it for a reason. Did you just vow not to take it, is it like "You told me to take flash so I'm not gonna do it"? It's SO easy to take advantage of someone that doesn't have flash, literally one of the jungler's jobs is to burn the laner's flash so they can kill them later. Nobody deserves harassment, but I can see why it would be frustrating.

It has a long cooldown anyways, so if they use it, you just ignore them because "he has flash so I'll leave him alone", no you go and take advantage. So what is the difference? You are going to take advantage of it either way, so let people do it like they want.

viken3 votes

That'd be valid if that was the only use flash has, like I said, people take flash 95% of the time because of how invaluable it is. Why do you think this has been going on literally since the beginning of the game? My point is if he's not taking flash just because he doesn't want to take flash, it makes him a detriment to his team willingly, which is basically trolling.

Xonra5 votes

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That'd be valid if that was the only use flash has, like I said, people take flash 95% of the time because of how invaluable it is. Why do you think this has been going on literally since the beginning of the game? My point is if he's not taking flash just because he doesn't want to take flash, it makes him a detriment to his team willingly, which is basically trolling.

People take flash because they assume they are supposed to take flash.

If every pro game this next week suddenly had everyone (for whatever reason, could just be them trolling) took ghost and no one took flash, I guarantee everyone would instantly stop taking flash and every solo queue game would be ignite-ghost, smite-ghost, etc etc.

Most people don't take it because it is the best, they take it because

  1. they assume they are supposed to
  2. everyone else takes it, so it must be the right thing

It isn't usually until later that people bother thinking why. Is the same with most champs. People play the champ first, then learn why it counters, or is good in situations, etc, later.

The fact still stands, it shouldn't matter. Let someone play what they play. Not really anyone else's place to tell me what champions, runes/masteries, items, or summoner spells to use.

The guy made a valid point of why he isn't taking flash. Everyone else just made the point of "you are dumb not to take flash because it ams good" and that was it.

Even you are calling him a troll for choosing not to take flash. Pretty much the entire point of this thread. Harassing and talking down to people for not picking what you think he should pick. People saying "harassment is bad" while calling him a troll.

Slamurai Jack3 votes

I'm not calling him troll, he can do whatever he wants. He should just know that I'm going to camp his ass off if he's going to make it that free for me.

iluvalar2 votes

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I'm not calling him troll, he can do whatever he wants. He should just know that I'm going to camp his ass off if he's going to make it that free for me.

I'm just hoping you will. Because I'm used to play without flash, so i have a pretty good positionning and I'm decent when outnumbered. You will walk to my lane, wait a bit in that bush to find the good opening burn your flash and ult and run back to your jungle. You'll lose about 400 gold of farm make 300 gold from my death and since I run summoner 12 I'll be back in my lane before I can lose a cs.

You'll feel good because you are 1/0/0 but i'll know you are 100 gold, a ult behind and that you revealed your position to my team and i'm gonna be happy with it.

Edit : To those who noticed that when i compared flash at .3% ms to clarity at 66% dmg I might have been a bit off : Yes I know I was exaggerating. I'm aware that the instantaneousity of flash give it some value.

viken3 votes

Yes, some people blindly follow what's put in front of them. But the entire playerbase doesn't do so. It's basically common sense that flash is the most versatile summoner in the game, there isn't any other that can replace it as the "oh shit" button, create distance, close distance, it honestly shouldn't even be an argument whether flash is better than the other summoner spells or not. And if someone thinks otherwise, that's totally fine. However, stubbornly sticking with your own way after watching everyone else take flash and having people tell you and even harass you over it, is just plain ignorant. Again, everyone takes flash for a reason, people have a reason to object if someone on their team doesn't because it puts them at a disadvantage. Sorry. Oh yeah, how am I harassing the guy? Did I attack the guy? Did I disrespect his beliefs in any way, shape, or form? I never said anything oppressive to him or you at ALL. Trolling is someone willingly being a detriment to their team, one way or another. If our ADC doesn't take flash, it takes one form of hard CC to kill them. Isn't that a HUGE obstacle when you're trying to win? It's trolling, whether it's intentional or not, and all I did was point it out.

Avios13 votes

That'd be valid if that was the only use flash has, like I said, people take flash 95% of the time because of how invaluable it is. Why do you think this has been going on literally since the beginning of the game? My point is if he's not taking flash just because he doesn't want to take flash, it makes him a detriment to his team willingly, which is basically trolling.

If you would be so Wise, how exactly would I be trolling? is it not my right to do what I want and choose what summoner spells? is it not my right to be able to choose my own path and take what I would believe is better? am I not allowed to choose something else over flash? Flash has plenty of uses, and like you have said here

It's basically common sense that flash is the most versatile summoner in the game, there isn't any other that can replace it as the "oh shit" button, create distance, close distance, it honestly shouldn't even be an argument whether flash is better than the other summoner spells or not..... Oh yeah, how am I harassing the guy? Did I attack the guy? Did I disrespect his beliefs in any way, shape, or form? I never said anything oppressive to him or you at ALL. Trolling is someone willingly being a detriment to their team, one way or another.

Even though it has its uses, I prefer to choose what summoner spells I want to use, and I believe that calling someone a troll (Look at first paragraph) for not taking flash just makes the accuser more foolish. Within the third paragraph, you have defined Trolling, which leads back to the first paragraph, which explains that I am trolling for not taking flash, while you claim you are not attacking me in the third one.

I believe that just because I willingly choose not to take flash, I am just as important taking summoner 7/summoner 3/summoner 12 and summoner 14, and that I may be able to support my team just as well if not better than with a 5 minute-cooldown button that says "oh crap I made a mistake", and I will just learn to deal with it and recover from it and make adjustments to my playstyle, allowing me to become a better player overall by not having to rely on a free 5 minute jump.

~Avi

viken3 votes

I'm not here to explain to you why flash is superior to other spells, nor am I here to repeatedly explain how you're being extremely ignorant by not listening to the tons of people that are trying to teach you. I'm here to tell you that by not taking it, 95% of the time you'll put your team at a disadvantage by making yourself way more vulnerable than if you did take flash. It only takes one form of hard CC to kill a flash-less squishy, it takes none when you're 2v1 in a gank. Do what you want, if you somehow think other defensive summoners are better, take them, I'm not going to write lines and lines of text to get something through to some random on the internet.

Avios12 votes

Except that that is only a few uses for it, while other spells can do things better, like Exhaust can save your ADC from that kat burst or the Clarity gives your Karthus just enough mana to ult for a triple. Different comps call for different spells, theres no reason to just take it every game because you can.

Bunny Bells3 votes

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I'm not here to explain to you why flash is superior to other spells, nor am I here to repeatedly explain how you're being extremely ignorant by not listening to the tons of people that are trying to teach you. I'm here to tell you that by not taking it, 95% of the time you'll put your team at a disadvantage by making yourself way more vulnerable than if you did take flash. It only takes one form of hard CC to kill a flash-less squishy, it takes none when you're 2v1 in a gank. Do what you want, if you somehow think other defensive summoners are better, take them, I'm not going to write lines and lines of text to get something through to some random on the internet.

Even though you just did. . .

Lol

iluvalar4 votes

"But flash is objectively better"

Add more argument to it... flash move you by 1 extra second of movement ever 300 seconds. Objectively, that's 0.3% increase in speed.

By comparison, clarity makes you AND your teammate recover for 66% of their mana in the same amount of time. This mean that anyone who can make more then 0.25% of their damage from mana skills would benefit more from clarity then from flash. It seem reasonnable to me to assume that ziggs would deal more then 1% of damage from his skills.

The only thing with flash is that it's flashy. If people using clarity were as much excited to make a kill with less then 66% of their mana left as someone who use a flash to escape death. They would rage at you for taking that little jumpy flash instead of the awesome long jump teleport.

And that assuming that people use their flash to escape death somewhat reliably. More often then not, I see people using their flash where a single potion could fix the damage they would have received anyway...

SmokedAlmonds3 votes

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"But flash is objectively better"

Add more argument to it... flash move you by 1 extra second of movement ever 300 seconds. Objectively, that's 0.3% increase in speed.

By comparison, clarity makes you AND your teammate recover for 66% of their mana in the same amount of time. This mean that anyone who can make more then 0.25% of their damage from mana skills would benefit more from clarity then from flash. It seem reasonnable to me to assume that ziggs would deal more then 1% of damage from his skills.

The only thing with flash is that it's flashy. If people using clarity were as much excited to make a kill with less then 66% of their mana left as someone who use a flash to escape death. They would rage at you for taking that little jumpy flash instead of the awesome long jump teleport.

And that assuming that people use their flash to escape death somewhat reliably. More often then not, I see people using their flash where a single potion could fix the damage they would have received anyway...

Calling flash a .3% increase in speed is a pretty disingenuous summation of flash. In lane it allows you to be safe further from your turret. Flash can be used to escape or engage. Late game a single good engage can mean win the game and you can do things with flash that you just cant without it.

It sounds like you think people fail flash more often than succeed and I don't think there's anyway that's true. I think you don't remember when people use it properly because its normal. Its nothing special, someone just used their get out of jail free card. But it stands out when people fail because its so easy and its funny that they wasted such an easy to use and important cooldown.

I think the issue with a lot of the other summer spells is that most of them are only useful for parts of the game. You mentioned clarity. There are probably some times in lane where you could make better use of clarity than flash but even on mana hungry champions you out level the need for mana.

Avios12 votes

For flash, the "oh crap I messed up" button, its easy to gank even when they have flash if they push just a bit ahead of their turret. just bust flash once and your good to go for a good 5 minutes, its simple. its better just to ward and pay attention to the map instead of taking flash and not warding IMO.

Bunny Bells3 votes

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For flash, the "oh crap I messed up" button, its easy to gank even when they have flash if they push just a bit ahead of their turret. just bust flash once and your good to go for a good 5 minutes, its simple. its better just to ward and pay attention to the map instead of taking flash and not warding IMO.

I think this is my favorite.

"You died because you didn't have flash." Well what would happen if I had taken flash, but it was on cd? SAME RESULT!

*OH NO! OH NO! ENEMY IS CHASING ME! I NEED TO ESCAPE I'LL JUST FLASH OVER THIS WALL AND -- The enemy followed me with their own flash. . . . . *

Krigjer3 votes

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I think this is my favorite.

"You died because you didn't have flash." Well what would happen if I had taken flash, but it was on cd? SAME RESULT!

*OH NO! OH NO! ENEMY IS CHASING ME! I NEED TO ESCAPE I'LL JUST FLASH OVER THIS WALL AND -- The enemy followed me with their own flash. . . . . *

1000 times this. 'The jungler is going to be camping you because you have no flash!'

It's like you've never jungled before. As if you've never ganked, gotten their summoners down, taken a nearby jungle camp and then just looped back down to finish the kill.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

It's even funnier when you don't even take a camp in-between.

As Volibear, in many cases I would force them to flash with my first gank, wait in the bush until my abiltiies were off cooldown, and then just gank again immediately or when they tried to ward.

People tend to get pretty angry about it. Especially if you gank them again as they get back to lane and before they can ward. At that point, the gold and level advantage your allied laner has pretty much ensures they will win the lane.

zFlash963 votes

Those % you give mean nothing.

Clarity won't save your ass when you ganked.

Only Flash can save you if you get caught out of position. Barrier and Heal will just delay your death by maybe 1-2 second, then you are still dead. If used well, Flash is essentially a free buyback every 5 minutes. That alone is already game-breaking.

But Flash can do even more: a single Flash initiation on an unsuspecting carry (especially if they don't have Flash available for themselves) can completely turn the tides of a game.

In a lot of cases, LoL is no longer just about numbers. You can have 1000 AD, if you never get to attack, it doesn't matter.

Flash is so good because it is both the best offensive and the best defensive spell (while Ignite is 100% offensive for example). When a single kill or death can determine who wins or loses, nothing is more valuable than a free, reliable, versatile, blink.

s LessThanThree2 votes

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"But flash is objectively better"

Add more argument to it... flash move you by 1 extra second of movement ever 300 seconds. Objectively, that's 0.3% increase in speed.

By comparison, clarity makes you AND your teammate recover for 66% of their mana in the same amount of time. This mean that anyone who can make more then 0.25% of their damage from mana skills would benefit more from clarity then from flash. It seem reasonnable to me to assume that ziggs would deal more then 1% of damage from his skills.

The only thing with flash is that it's flashy. If people using clarity were as much excited to make a kill with less then 66% of their mana left as someone who use a flash to escape death. They would rage at you for taking that little jumpy flash instead of the awesome long jump teleport.

And that assuming that people use their flash to escape death somewhat reliably. More often then not, I see people using their flash where a single potion could fix the damage they would have received anyway...

Ok I just checked your match history and you basically Grief every game with those builds and champion/summoner spell picks. So if I had you on my team I would report you for assisting enemy team...

Bunny Bells4 votes

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Ok I just checked your match history and you basically Grief every game with those builds and champion/summoner spell picks. So if I had you on my team I would report you for assisting enemy team...

"You're build is unorthodox." So. . . ?

"You're trolling!" How, so? Because I'm not following meta?

"You're feeding! You're 1/7." I'm sorry, I have 10 assists like a support should.

"You're feeding! You're 2/5." I'm sorry, I have 15 assists like a support should.

Honestly, his games look fine. They're mostly positive. It's better for someone to play how they are comfortable versus playing how others believe they should be playing.

That report would be completely unjustified.

Xonra4 votes

I'm tired of getting harassed for just about everything that isn't 100% exactly what the "pros" would do.

God forbid I don't take flash on every champion or Pick a champion someone isn't used to seeing every single game ever or Take a champion that someone might think doesn't "belong" in a role or lane

  • got flamed to death last week for going Cait mid (and wrecking). "Adcs don't go mid" as I replied "except for Ezreal, and Varus, and Urgot" People can play Gangplank mid, Yi mid, Riven mid, but how dare I play Cait mid, and win.

Hell before everyone and their mom was taking smite top and mid, I would get flamed to no end for daring to take smite anywhere but jungle. Now that the pros are doing it I get flamed for being a "sheep".

There is no winning.

Krigjer4 votes

I never take flash when I play support. Reason? I started playing in season 2, when it was common for the support to take heal. Top laners and mids often took heal as well to bait out towerdives. It's a habit that I'm very comfortable with, and I do well enough. I take Exhaust/Heal when I support, because everything I do is about helping my team. I AM COMFORTABLE PLAYING LIKE THIS.

It's fine that people don't agree with me, but I'm really tired of being harassed for it before the game even loads.

Bunny Bells4 votes

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I never take flash when I play support. Reason? I started playing in season 2, when it was common for the support to take heal. Top laners and mids often took heal as well to bait out towerdives. It's a habit that I'm very comfortable with, and I do well enough. I take Exhaust/Heal when I support, because everything I do is about helping my team. I AM COMFORTABLE PLAYING LIKE THIS.

It's fine that people don't agree with me, but I'm really tired of being harassed for it before the game even loads.

It's why I take summoner 12 with Lulu.

I'm comfortable with it. Plus I can go top and ult if things go south for them. :D

MercuryCannons3 votes

I mean there are only like 5 cases where you shouldn't take flash.

If you're one of those guys that's trying to play ADC without flash then you're pretty much putting you team at an extreme disadvantage for no reason.

Rinky Dinky3 votes

I'm sorry but if your Leona top with summoner 1 and summoner 12 I'm going to pick fun.

I won't flame, but I will make jokes. With the best intentions of course ;)

Slamurai Jack3 votes

If you don't tank flash on a solo laner, I am going to camp the shit out of you every single game, especially if you do it on a champion that also has no escape, which it appears you often do.

Xonra3 votes

People in this thread are proving the OPs point 100%

"You shouldn't harass but..." then everyone going on explaining why you should be taking it and criticizing.

Every response is pretty much a copy of the previous response lol

It is a game, let people enjoy it. If he dies then he dies. Let him play like he wants.

Exact stuff I was talking about above. Everyone hates when you do anything that isn't exactly how they think everything should go.

Don't dare take a different summoner spell Don't dare play an "off meta" champion Don't dare pick x item instead of y

The list goes on and on. Everyone says they don't want to harass, but, then go on telling you why you shouldn't and criticizing on and on repeating the same things.

I'd say let me pick the champions, spells, and items I want, but half the people in this game (and probably this thread) would just report me for trolling somehow, because if I'm not striving to be in the LCS in every solo queue, then I'm trolling.

ICRockets3 votes

"Don't I have the right to do what I want with no regard for anybody else's opinion ever?"

No, you're playing a team game. Stop being an asshat and learn how to cooperate with others.

Avios13 votes

then why not take exhaust to deny kat's damage? why not take barrier to sponge up more burst? why not take ignite for Grevious wounds, or heal for health and clarity for mana? for the whole team? There are better choices for helping your team than just taking flash, and if you believe a single-target flash for yourself is better, than you must not know the worth of the other spells.

s LessThanThree3 votes

The fact of the matter is, there is barely even a handful of champions in the game that are viable without flash. Examples being, Shaco, Hecarim, Renekton, and Shyvana. I can't really think of any other champions, so if you think of one, let me know.

Because flash is necessary for almost every champion to be viable as it is by far the most overpowered summoner spell with a near infinite amount of possible utility, you really need it if you want to perform well.

Take a look at your match history - you literally never pick flash. Mordekaiser 4-12 without flash. And I thought Morde was easy to gank to begin with. TF with no Flash OR Ghost. No mobility on an immobile, easy to counter mage. Karthus with no flash. The list goes on.

I would love having you on the enemy team because it would basically be a free win for me. Anytime my flash is up (or even just any time in general) when you're out of position there's no way for you to escape, so I would just make a play on you and kill you, and you'd feed (like you do often ranging from 1-7 to 4-12 ish scores).

I mean, you can either try to be all special and different playing "your own way" and complain when people point out your mistakes... OR you can try to understand the game at a higher level and make smarter strategic choices. Your decision. If being stuck in Gold 5 and feeding there appeals to you, go right ahead, but don't make it other people's problem.

Avios13 votes

If insulting me appeals to you, then go ahead, but I stand my ground despite my match history.

-Flash is never always the Bare Neccecity when it comes to nearly every champion in order to be viable. I can be completely viable with a Teemo w/o flash or Karthus support even, and still be able to provide my team what I need to

  • I prefer using exhaust/ignite due to being able to reduce their bursty mage or ADC's DPS. I don't feel as if Flash is every too neccecary to have, and I don't believe that its the best choice to save your teammate.

-Either way, if I were the jungler, I would bust your flash to begin with, and proceed to camp your lane until you learn better. Most of my deaths are also mid-late game, where I am not exactly the feeding type early on.

-Even on an Immobile mage like Karthus or TF, I still control some sort of CC to peel myself with, and I can get away quite easily with a bit of effort.

-Flash is Overestimated. People either don't gank because they see flash is still up, or they don't gank because they are pushed to the turret. I consider flash as more of a nuisance than anything. Sure, it can help you get a kill or escape easily, But that is 5 MINUTES. within a game, five minutes could mean the difference between a win or a loss, and a short-ranged blink doesn't help me a whole lot.

-I don't follow what other people do. If you wanted someone who takes flash/ghost on someone like TF or Kog Maw, then you came to the wrong thread. Utility vs efficiency, and I prefer to use Efficiency.

  • As much as you may think, match history and scoreboards don't matter at all. I tend to attempt to save others with my life than to sit back and watch. (unless im ranged, then why not)

~avi

Sarutobi2 votes

Unless you have some sort of escape I would think it's required to have flash. It will save your life in the game.

Nameless Voice2 votes

You shouldn't just blindly take Flash because everyone takes Flash, but instead you should take it when it is going to give you more advantage than another summoner spell in its place.

By not having Flash, you lose a free gap-closer / escape, which can help chase enemies or escape from ganks. How useful is that to you? If another summoner spell is more useful, then take that instead.

In direct combat, other summoner spells (Exhaust, Ignite, Barrier, Heal) are generally more powerful than Flash, so by taking Flash you are giving up duelling power for the ability to escape ganks or to make flashy plays. Again, the choice should depend on what you want to do in the game.

Just remember that if you don't take Flash or Ghost as a solo laner, the enemy jungler is going to see that and try to camp you. You need to be prepared for that, and should really only do it if you know you can survive that extra jungler attention.

Some examples of who can easily get away without taking Flash:

  • Extremely tanky champions can often be better served with Ghost (it covers more distance overall, but leaves them in attack range for longer - a tank usually won't die instantly, so the extra distance helps them.)
  • Mobile champions can afford to take another spell in some cases, depending on the circumstances - but just because they can doesn't mean that Flash isn't often still the better choice. For example, a Katarina can get away with Teleport/Ignite quite easily, but Flash is far more useful for her to get kills (and she needs kills to snowball) since it allows her a long-ranged Flash-Shunpo engage.
  • Junglers can pretty much take whatever they want, since they are the ones who are least likely to need to Flash away from a gank. Again, pick whatever is the most effective.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes

I mean, people shouldn't flame you for it. But flash is objectively better than everything else like 99% of the time, with smite being the only significant exception but you would really just take smite and flash. So really its not just personal preference, its making a poor decision.

Avios13 votes

Copy/pasting a reply from ILuvAlar

"But flash is objectively better"

Add more argument to it... flash move you by 1 extra second of movement ever 300 seconds. Objectively, that's 0.3% increase in speed.

By comparison, clarity makes you AND your teammate recover for 66% of their mana in the same amount of time. This mean that anyone who can make more then 0.25% of their damage from mana skills would benefit more from clarity then from flash. It seem reasonnable to me to assume that ziggs would deal more then 1% of damage from his skills.

The only thing with flash is that it's flashy. If people using clarity were as much excited to make a kill with less then 66% of their mana left as someone who use a flash to escape death. They would rage at you for taking that little jumpy flash instead of the awesome long jump teleport.

And that assuming that people use their flash to escape death somewhat reliably. More often then not, I see people using their flash where a single potion could fix the damage they would have received anyway...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Tryhard Mittens1 votes

Why do people keep telling me I need to use my blinker when I change lanes? Just because I'm statistically more likely to get in a crash doesn't mean I have to do it. It is a personal preference of mine to change lanes at will and hope nobody is near me.

When I do get in a car crash, which I do frequently, it is never my fault. People should be able to read my mind. It isn't like the blood of all those people who have died are on my hands. My decisions only affect me.

-Satire to better demonstrate what you are doing.-

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