A suggestion to Yasuo's Q - Steel Tempest

Avios1··108 votes·5,794 views

As the title mentioned, this is a suggestion for Yasuo's Q, which is named Steel Tempest. The description of the ability says:

Yasuo thrusts his sword forward, dealing physical damage to all enemies in a line.

Hitting an enemy grants Gathering Storm for 10 seconds. At 2 stacks, Steel Tempest knocks all units hit Airborne.

Steel Tempest is treated as a Basic Attack: It can critically strike, apply on-hit effects, and its cooldown and cast time are reduced by Attack Speed.

As a Suggestion, I would like to suggest that since it is treated as a basic attack, it should be affected by everything that a Basic Attack does. Such as, but not limited to: Getting aggro'd by minions, Having it get dodged by Jax's Counter-Strike, Teemo's Blinding Dart, Getting affected by Thornmail, and everything else that a Basic Attack would do.

I believe that this would only be fair, since it already can get up to 80% Cast time and Cooldown reduction for Attack Speed, and can Critically Strike and Apply On-Hit Effects, and the fact that it is said to be treated as a Basic Attack, I believe this would be a viable thing to do on Yasuo.

EDIT: I am sorry for any confusion that I have made, and I am not the best at wording things, but I am trying to state that Yasuo's Q's tooltip seems to be incorrect, saying that it acts like a basic attack.

91 Comments

Commit Sudoku30 votes

Ezreal Q and Irelia Q arent treated as basic attacks they apply on hit effects, Crit isnt an on hit effect so those Qs cant crit. What he is saying actually makes a lot of sense if I thought Yasuo was worth nerfing right now I would agree, but he just isn't that strong so there is no reason to do this imo.

shyie1 votes

Yeah that's true. But something like GP's Q has to be changed then.

Spoofghoul12 votes

GP's Q works exactly like a basic attack. You gain minion aggro from it.

You even get minion aggro from ezreal Q.

Its just you are often out of range of minion aggro.

Avios15 votes

I do appreciate the comment, and do agree that he isn't very strong right now, but I would like to say that since the description says Steel Tempest is treated as a Basic Attack, I would like to propose this idea, if it isn't added, then I am fine with it. Just something that I had thought of while reading his Q

RottedApples6 votes

ezreal q seems to draw minion agro though like a normal basic would.

JMoormann1 votes

Even Azir soldier attacks, who don't apply any kind of on hits effects, draw minion aggro.

Tuss2 votes

But they do apply spell effects! (So people don't assume they don't apply any effects at all)

Kaeblen3 votes

Just for fun, I found all the on-hit items currently in the game. on spell hit: item 2139 item 3151 item 3285 item 3165 item 3116 item 3145 item 3152 (7)

on AA hit: item 3153 item 1083 item 1403 item 3184 item 3123 item 3022 item 3034 item 3159 item 3124 item 2015 item 3033 item 3115 item 3046 item 3074 item 3181 item 3715 item 3091 item 3748 item 3185 item 3100 item 3025 item 3094 item 3087 item 3078 item 1410 item 3057 (26) plus all the other lifesteal items item 3144 item 2140 item 3156 item 1055 item 1041 item 3139 item 1053 item 3072 item 3508 (+9)

on spell OR AA hit: item 3044 item 3812 item 1300 item 3303 item 2033 item 1039 item 3098 item 3092 item 3071 item 3146 item 3042 (11)

it's not hard to imagine how people forget about the on-spell-hit effects for those poor sand soldiers.

No Ganks1 votes

how do u beat a yasuo then?

Commit Sudoku2 votes

{quoted}

how do u beat a yasuo then?

Annie and Fizz hard counter him. Can't Windwall Tibber's and you can just out duel him with Fizz.

Most cases for me I usually just first pick Zed and they pick Yasuo into me I just out play them most of the time.

No Ganks1 votes

but yasuo has all the tools he needs to vs them

Commit Sudoku3 votes

{quoted}

but yasuo has all the tools he needs to vs them

then explain why annie and fizz have 60% and 59% win rate against him

KirbyCake1 votes

yasuo has a low win rate in general

No Ganks1 votes

cause most yasuos frikken suck ass, doesnt mean he doesnt have the tools he needs

48983507DEL11 votes

Ezreal's Q is treated more like a basic attack than Irelia's Q, as it can be blocked by Pantheon's passive.

Kieferr8 votes

Yasuo has the lowest mid winrate in the game rn, I have no clue why u waste your energy complaining about him. Brand, Lux, and Velkoz are the most problematic champions atm, they have massive ranged damage and safety, also they benefit from frost queens, which riot should seriously consider nerfing soon. The active is just cancer. I'd rather face a yasuo/zed any day than these fucks.

ZombeezyJeezy23 votes

{quoted}

Yasuo has the lowest mid winrate in the game rn, I have no clue why u waste your energy complaining about him. Brand, Lux, and Velkoz are the most problematic champions atm, they have massive ranged damage and safety, also they benefit from frost queens, which riot should seriously consider nerfing soon. The active is just cancer. I'd rather face a yasuo/zed any day than these fucks.

He's not complaining about anything, he's merely stating that the tooltip is technically incorrect.

Why people still read everything as a "complaint" and harp on people for it is beyond me.

Koldheartedjsp3 votes

you can package it however and call it anything you want, but we all know that when someone makes a thread about yasuo, lee, zed, or a few other specific champions, the entire intent is to nerf the champion a tiny bit

Knoyle18 votes

At the very least you should be happy it's not "OMFG Yasuo op killed my whole team all game plz nerf reported SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLT" He's actually trying to be sensible and polite.

RyzeRework1 votes

Lol well his point is invaild just as everyone else says all those things already effect yasuo q

Avios12 votes

Telling me my point is invalid is okay, but I would like some feedback for it. I did put up there as an edit that the Tooltip is currently incorrect, and that it would be a little better if cleared up.

It Hertz When IP3 votes

Becausethose people believe the meta for board approval is slowly shifting from "QQ about Yasuo/Zed/etc" to "Patronizingly ridicule people QQ'ing about Yasuo/Zed/etc".

Vistha Kai1 votes

Not sure if joking or plain stupid.

Possibly both.

Kieferr1 votes

Both.

shyie6 votes

The only problem would be changing all the other abilities like this, like GP's Q.

Avios14 votes

Thing is, the reason why I suggested this is because the description says Steel Tempest is treated as a Basic Attack, which I believe should make it so that it is closely related to a Basic Attack, just my thought though.

ƒoes1 votes

What irritates me about GP's Q is that it applies all basic-attack modifiers, like Sheen passive, Runaan's, Ravenous/Titanic Hydras, Statikk, etc.

edit: My bad, totally forgot about some of the nitty-gritty detail.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

So does Yas Q (outside of hurricane). At least Sheen only hits the first target hit by Yas Q.

Seenan1 votes

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So does Yas Q (outside of hurricane). At least Sheen only hits the first target hit by Yas Q.

Pretty sure his Sheen proc affects all barrels, correct me if wrong.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

Didn't know Yasuo had Barrels in his kit. Man, you learn something new everyday.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Doesn't proc Runaan's, it's considered as melee (that's why it gets the damage from Dead Man's, ull damage from Triforce, etc)

Only Play Darius6 votes

It already does, to the first target hit. A good Yasuo will hit you through minions to prevent aggro/blind etc.

Hayaishi24 votes

It would be impossible for Yasuo to trade in lane then.

Aazzlano9 votes

{quoted}

It would be impossible for Yasuo to trade in lane then.

Yeah and we all know how horrible his late game is, what would Yasuo be if his early game was hurt?

Slamurai Jack5 votes

{quoted}

Yeah and we all know how horrible his late game is, what would Yasuo be if his early game was hurt?

I don't know where the idea that Yasuo is this amazing early game champion came from, but it's not true. This is not what a strong early game champion looks like. http://imgur.com/2e6vLhR

Yasuo has a strong lvl 2 against most champions and a fairly strong lvl 1 against weak melee champions. That's it. His early game is otherwise garbage and his first back is among the weakest in the entire game; it's so weak that he can often kill his lane opponent, come back to lane, and then immediately lose because his back, even with 300-400 gold, is still worse than his opponents.

GlockHammer1 votes

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I don't know where the idea that Yasuo is this amazing early game champion came from, but it's not true. This is not what a strong early game champion looks like. http://imgur.com/2e6vLhR

Yasuo has a strong lvl 2 against most champions and a fairly strong lvl 1 against weak melee champions. That's it. His early game is otherwise garbage and his first back is among the weakest in the entire game; it's so weak that he can often kill his lane opponent, come back to lane, and then immediately lose because his back, even with 300-400 gold, is still worse than his opponents.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

It's actually somewhat true, though - Kirchei's or, god forbid, Zeal, isn't exactly a strong first buy.

Unless his first back is a straight up Shiv, in which case then yeah, you let him farm a Shiv. That's kind of your fault, though, no? xD

Yasuo has a strong lvl 2 against most champions and a fairly strong lvl 1 against weak melee champions. That's it. His early game is otherwise garbage

I agree that this is somewhat contradictory, but that's because most Champions don't really have a strong level 2. Level 3 is a whole other matter entirely.

Signed, a Support main

Slamurai Jack1 votes

His lvl 2 is really good because it unlocks his kit and allows him to abuse champions that need their whole kit to function well. However, he gains so little per level in both base stats and damage on his abilities that he rapidly gets outscaled by champions with more meaningful level based powerspikes. Garen is a good example of this. Yasuo does fairly well against him in the first few levels, but Garen gains so much more power just from leveling up that he will eventually overpower Yasuo based simply on that alone. Yasuo doesn't have a strong early game. He has a strong lvl 2. The strength he gains from leveling up beyond that point is extremely weak because not only are his stats growths low, but his base damages on his abilities are also very low. And he's also forced into building crit items very early which, even with crit passive, is still less effective than similar amounts of gold spent on AD.

FrickendaChicken1 votes

He is saying Yasuo takes items to win his fights, not his levels. And that because of this, he has one of the worst early games in the entire game. Because his kit is overloaded with his ABILITY to do damage, but no REAL damage of it's own, so he relies on crit, which is an item, and attack speed, also an item. His kit just amplifies the damage he does with his items.

TotalJerk16 votes

What? His whole kit basically gives him tools for trading in bursts. The passive shield, the windwall, the dashes. This nerf has very little real impact on his trading ability unless you consider just throwing out nothing but a random Q to be a trade.

snoozer54 votes

aright people, Yasuo is not with the lowest win rate first of all, That's just dumb if he was cause his passive, and his E, and that ult. Plus he is not op cause he is really squishy and even though he does tons of damadge a fighter/tank like garen, tyndamere, etc. can easily counter him. I have yasuo so I know and I play him lik 24/7. (Pretty good with him so I would know.) Also he Is a good midlaner except in very early game he can get shit on by ranged champs like ahri. Then at like 7min at most he gets really strong, 20 minutes if u have died at most 3 times ur still pretty huge if u've been getting kills and then at the end u can 1v2 most champs and in team fights he is also very good (atleast I can play him well) but it will be challenging at first cuase u need that know up- airborn steel tempest to ult. So he's decent. Actually better than decent- he's great and he's more than worth 6300 ip.

He's kinda like ghostblade it costs like 3.2k when it actually should cost 7k lmfao*[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]*

Koldheartedjsp1 votes

what exactly about "that ult?"

His ult's fucking horrendous. Does nothing, CC's himself, and puts him into the fight to die instantly

such goodness

viken3 votes

It already does that though..

Sincarnation3 votes

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It already does that though..

Holy shit I thought I was crazy, I read the OP and was like, "Doesn't it do all that already?"

So most people in the thread have no idea how yasuo works?

TrickMagnet2 votes

none of the circlejerkers actually know how to play vs any of the champs they complain about which is why trying to discuss them is so frustrating. it's just a constant cycle of "waaah i wanted to play this ranged champ vs a melee for an easy free lane but THEY CAN JUMP UP ONTO MY FACE IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAIR why cant you guys just sit three screens away and eat all of my spells like a good melee champion nerd tears"

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Yea but what do you do as melee against another melee with long ranged poke and constant dashes?

RyzeRework2 votes

You get rekt hence y asuos worst m atchups are mele champions

ƒoes1 votes

Azir I mean, he's fucking ranged AND melee?

RyzeRework2 votes

I think he means how the 3rd q still knocks u up even through jax counterstrike teemo blind ect.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

{quoted}

Holy shit I thought I was crazy, I read the OP and was like, "Doesn't it do all that already?"

So most people in the thread have no idea how yasuo works?

So most people on these boards* have no idea how Yasuo works.

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