when people don't like you for the way you play

MOONMO0N·May 11, 2015·2 votes·961 views

i have at least 2750 games on league, of this I'm sure. The meta bores me so I try to find new ways of playing. cho adc and singed adc are quite fun with the right supports. I also like draven top. Many games i run into individuals...sometimes a group of invdividuals...who just don't think it's possible to play outside of the meta. If I have a bad game........they become quite toxic towards me and usually report me at the end of the game. well i've received enough reports and now have to have limited chat for 37 games, OH BOY!!!!

26 Comments

SlytherMinnMay 11, 20151 votes

This is my life. I feel you, brother.

KrigjerMay 11, 20151 votes

I never run flash on support. I main support. I've been running exh/heal since season2 because it was popular to towerbait. I'm comfortable playing like this.

I constantly get people calling me a troll, saying they're just going to play passive because they don't trust me, and people even threaten to feed because they don't have faith in me.

God forbid I get caught out of position ONCE. 'That wouldn't have happened if you'd had flash!' 'Sure wish you had flash, don't you!'

SlytherMinnMay 11, 20151 votes

I never run flash on anyone.

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

looking at your ranked history it appears it isn't winning games consistently thus the 42% win rate making it impossible to climb

KrigjerMay 11, 20151 votes

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looking at your ranked history it appears it isn't winning games consistently thus the 42% win rate making it impossible to climb

Because the fact that I don't take flash on support is totally the reason for my top feeding the enemy lane to hell. And the reason our mid lane is never there for teamfights. And the reason Yi backdoors while my team is at a stalemate at dragon.

My summoner spells are not the sole reason I am not climbing.

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

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Because the fact that I don't take flash on support is totally the reason for my top feeding the enemy lane to hell. And the reason our mid lane is never there for teamfights. And the reason Yi backdoors while my team is at a stalemate at dragon.

My summoner spells are not the sole reason I am not climbing.

are you saying it is only a coincidence that you and SlytherMinn both dont take flash and both have winrates under level 50%? It is definelty a piece to the puzzle because you don't have a top feeder every game and a master yi back door every game. What does happen every game is you never take flash. So it is reflective in your overall ranked career that you have an effect on these games and something you do is consistently causing losses, this doesn't mean it is your summoner spells but it means you are doing something whether the items you build against the team or the fights you decide to engage.

KrigjerMay 11, 20151 votes

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are you saying it is only a coincidence that you and SlytherMinn both dont take flash and both have winrates under level 50%? It is definelty a piece to the puzzle because you don't have a top feeder every game and a master yi back door every game. What does happen every game is you never take flash.

I didn't come here for advice.

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

looking at your ranked history it appears it doesn't win games on a consistent basis thus the 47% win rate making it impossible to climb

MOONMO0NMay 11, 20151 votes

i stopped playing ranked, stopped trying back in s3 i think

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

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i stopped playing ranked, stopped trying back in s3 i think

Well Op.gg says you were bronze s4 so I assumed but anyway what you are doing is fine you are playing to have fun so you don't play ranked. When I want to have fun I also play off meta picks, I don't take it to ranked because I don't think it is fair for my team to have to deal with my "fun" pick in a competitive environment regardless of how well i normally do on it.

What I suggest is you just find more like minded people to play with so you don't have to worry about your teammates and also Mid Graves is super fun.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 11, 20151 votes

I'm curious since you say "even if I generally do well on it," why is it not something you would take to ranked if you consistently perform well in both score and win loss? Is it just bc it works less well than other stuff for you? I think the disconnect we had in the conversation above this is that I was thinking of people I know who play something weird, but are better at it than anything else they play since they put in time and effort to get good at it. Of course if you aren't winning consistently you shouldn't play something in ranked (that would be stupid, you are choosing to lose LP doing that), but if you play something off meta and weird, but have a better win percentage over 20+ games on it than you do other champs what would be the logic for not using it in ranked and choosing something you don't win as much with? I think that would be handicapping your team more, but I may be missing something. It's late and I'm tired, so it's definitely possible.

GodhriMay 11, 20151 votes

You can't even if you generally do well on it because the environment in normal is different from the one in ranked. People care a lot more about winning in ranked and if they see someone trying something off meta (regardless of how well they do with it), they generally feel negatively about it (I know I do). This negativity can affect game play.

League is a team game for a reason and morale is a huge part of being able to win in anything that requires a team in a competitive environment.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 11, 20151 votes

So this seems to imply that there is a metric of some sort at which it would become acceptable. IE if the damage to chance to win due to lowered moral and teammates playing weaker, is less than the increase in likelihood of you winning due to the difference in skill between that pick and your other options, then you should pick the champ regardless of team feelings as there will be a net benefit to your probability to win.

Additionally it implies that your pick options should be mediated by the quality of your teammates attitudes and your ability to persuade them to trust in your pick/understand how the team can win w/ it.

Finally this implies that to some degree the issue of having people who main the same role is the same issue as someone picking off meta IF the off meta pick is in a role not mained by someone on the team. This is essentially that team moral is lowered if someone is worried that the other person who picked their main role will do poorly, and there may be an overlap in terms of how detrimental that lowered moral is when compared to someone who is filling but picks something people don't trust (IE, the pick is off meta and lowers morale, but there is not a team conflict due to desire for the same role or arguing and lowering morale bc team assumes someone will rage or not communicate)

Wold you agree that if you're good enough then your logic says that you should always take that pick over working with the team bc it increases your chance to win, and how would you consider the argument that this also implies you should be filling a role rather than taking something someone else might want and lowering morale?

GodhriMay 11, 20151 votes

Makes sense but you leave out an important variable. That is, the effects of morale on early game vs mid and late game. If you pick an off meta pick and the team feels negative about it then it will consequently affect their early game play and if the skill disparity between opposing lanes is small then this seemingly minor set back caused by morale would likely mean the difference between winning and losing a lane. Of course, win lane does not equal win game but if someone were to lose a lane heavily and feed, it would likely result in a loss.

Furthermore, any setbacks, no matter how minor, throughout the game would likely be blamed on you. This breeds more negativity and just creates an environment that is toxic to play in. It makes people less willing and less likely to work together.

Of course this is assuming people respond to stress, negative or positive, in the same way. We know this to be false. Still, life experience tells us that it isn't entirely illogical to assume the negative stress caused by the toxic environment would not negatively impact performance.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 11, 20151 votes

Yeah, that definitely makes sense actually. I bet there is a lot of off meta I would agree and argue should never be played in ranked now that I think about it. Like if Vlad was off meta right now and really unpopular, you could play it in games your team trusted you, and was okay with it, but he scales late game, you may not crush early and will struggle to influence other lanes heavily so it's probably a bad idea if team is uncomfortable.

On the other hand if something is off meta but really strong early you probably have more wiggle room. Before riven mid was ever a thing (stupid longer shield length), people would probably think it was super troll to go riven mid, but if you consistently get FB super fast, it could off set the early morale loss. Also since she hops and roams fast you could go bot and top early and get them a kill and it would almost certainly balance out the early morale loss and probably bring up team cohesion mid/late game bc people are ahead and feeling good.

Hadn't thought of that but it's a really important point for off meta picks.

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

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I'm curious since you say "even if I generally do well on it," why is it not something you would take to ranked if you consistently perform well in both score and win loss? Is it just bc it works less well than other stuff for you? I think the disconnect we had in the conversation above this is that I was thinking of people I know who play something weird, but are better at it than anything else they play since they put in time and effort to get good at it. Of course if you aren't winning consistently you shouldn't play something in ranked (that would be stupid, you are choosing to lose LP doing that), but if you play something off meta and weird, but have a better win percentage over 20+ games on it than you do other champs what would be the logic for not using it in ranked and choosing something you don't win as much with? I think that would be handicapping your team more, but I may be missing something. It's late and I'm tired, so it's definitely possible.

Simply because Psychology your team will already be ready to assign blame to you because you are playing something they don't view as good or meta. When this happens you will get flamed and the team is already headed toward a downward spiral. I am a flexible player I can play all roles and I know how to play nearly every champion in that role it isn't hard for me to find an option that will have everyone feel comfortable and still preform. You don't want to go ingame as ADC Swain with your support already expecting you to lose they won't play as well as they usually would trust me. When ever I see Teemo in ranked I am always worried that he will feed and that is something that isn't good for me because it ultimately effects my attitude toward the game instead of being calm and focused on what I need to do.

MOONMO0NMay 11, 20151 votes

i have been invited to ranked games by people on my friends list every now and again if that explains that

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

A lot of people play purely to win so in a competitive mindset they would rather see what they know works. You can't really be mad at people for having their own views about how they wish the game to be played.

I don't know how competitively you guys play but in my experience playing ranked I have only seen non-meta picks and unusual summoners in Bronze and Silver (I am Plat now). This happens because in the higher ranks people realize what works and what works consistently and it becomes the meta and the meta exist to make a team and composition as efficient as possible in the eyes of the community and in what statistically appears to be happening.

If you notice that SlytherMinn and Krigjer both don't follow the meta, they also bother have less than a 50% winrate in ranked which means they aren't climbing. And you MOONMO0N you have played nearly 3000 games and last season you were bronze you would think with that many games played you would be skilled enough (even not playing the meta) to be a higher rank.

Perhaps you guys should improve your skill and show people that off meta can work. Become Diamond running Heal/Exhaust supports and prove to people that it doesn't matter or never run Flash and reach Challenger. It just appears now that the majority of people who do off meta are also "bad" at the game so it creates a negative connotation.

KrigjerMay 11, 20151 votes

Perhaps you guys should improve your skill and show people that off meta can work. Become Diamond running Heal/Exhaust supports and prove to people that it doesn't matter or never run Flash and reach Challenger. It just appears now that the majority of people who do off meta are also "bad" at the game so it creates a negative connotation.

I'd like to climb but I'm okay with being a silver. I won't stress too hard about it.

I want people to start having faith in me like I have faith in them. It's not too much to ask for people to give me a chance before they judge me.

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20153 votes

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But I don't really care about climbing. (I'd like to climb but I'm okay with being a silver)

I want people to start having faith in me like I have faith in them. It's not too much to ask for people to give me a chance before they judge me.

if you don't care about climbing then a recommend you not play ranked, the environment is created for people to want to climb and get better and isn't really fair if that isn't what you are there for.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 11, 20151 votes

TLDR: I love when people play weird stuff, it keeps the game interesting. However, if they lock something weird or possibly not as easy to do, I may check their match history and if they are 0-15 on something off meta, at that point it's trolling and their team should just AFK or report them (or dodge if you check before the last lock in).

I think two things are true, it's a game and it should be fun, and also actions speak louder than words.

The first means that you should definitely be able to play what you like rather than what is expected. I played w/ an ADC lulu who was nice, didn't feed in lane, and did just fine. Didn't matter if she did great or not, she didn't do bad and so it would be easy to carry her if need be. In contrast I quit playing adc bc I was so bad at it I was a detriment to my team. That second part is important, maybe it's just because I only play ranked (and bots for fwotd) , but if someone plays something weird, but lets me know how it CAN work, and I can adjust to that so they can succeed, I'm totally happy with that. If they play something that is bad, or they are just bad at and know it, then it makes my game unpleasant because even if I do well, I have to do better than that because I have to counteract some one who is actively playing something they are bad at.

Second, I'll judge things much more on how you play in game than what is expected. If you do great on a weird pick, I'm gonna honor you bc it was different and made my game more fun. If you do terrible I may fuss, I may just ask if you main that and it usually works. If you play something off meta a bunch and have a 20-30% win rate I'm gonna feel justified to AFK and go watch tv or something because you're playing something you know is shitty bc you don't do well w/ it, and I shouldn't have the obligation to play against people who are going to inherently have an advantage against me (since I have a weaker teammate) when I could do something better with my time.

Commit SudokuMay 11, 20151 votes

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TLDR: I love when people play weird stuff, it keeps the game interesting. However, if they lock something weird or possibly not as easy to do, I may check their match history and if they are 0-15 on something off meta, at that point it's trolling and their team should just AFK or report them (or dodge if you check before the last lock in).

I think two things are true, it's a game and it should be fun, and also actions speak louder than words.

The first means that you should definitely be able to play what you like rather than what is expected. I played w/ an ADC lulu who was nice, didn't feed in lane, and did just fine. Didn't matter if she did great or not, she didn't do bad and so it would be easy to carry her if need be. In contrast I quit playing adc bc I was so bad at it I was a detriment to my team. That second part is important, maybe it's just because I only play ranked (and bots for fwotd) , but if someone plays something weird, but lets me know how it CAN work, and I can adjust to that so they can succeed, I'm totally happy with that. If they play something that is bad, or they are just bad at and know it, then it makes my game unpleasant because even if I do well, I have to do better than that because I have to counteract some one who is actively playing something they are bad at.

Second, I'll judge things much more on how you play in game than what is expected. If you do great on a weird pick, I'm gonna honor you bc it was different and made my game more fun. If you do terrible I may fuss, I may just ask if you main that and it usually works. If you play something off meta a bunch and have a 20-30% win rate I'm gonna feel justified to AFK and go watch tv or something because you're playing something you know is shitty bc you don't do well w/ it, and I shouldn't have the obligation to play against people who are going to inherently have an advantage against me (since I have a weaker teammate) when I could do something better with my time.

You keep saying the game should be fun. Ranked is suppose to be a competitive environment so if you are playing just for fun it isn't what you should be queuing for it isn't fair to the 4 other members of your team who are there to ultimately get better.

I don't play ranked for fun I play ranked to climb higher. So I am going to play what I know consistently works (for me).

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different result. You keep playing the same thing when clearly it isn't working for you. You can't blame your team for every game. Nearly everyone who complains about being low ELO blames the teams they are matched up with. In reality it is almost always their inability to consistently carry.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 11, 20151 votes

I think the fact that Ranked allows me the opportunity to try to get better with a very concrete measure is he exact reason it is fun. It's why I only play ranked for the most part. I don't find the motivation to get better when I don't have a goal that is concrete (rank system). Maybe for you the word enjoyment would be a more apt descriptor than the word fun, but for me if I'm enjoying myself and seeing progress in my game then I'm gonna have fun.

I think the argument that a competitive environment SHOULDN'T be fun is incredibly short sighted. Other than at a pro level of play the majority of people involved in competition are doing it in part because it's fun. Sports are the quintessential competitive environment in the US and across the country you'll find high school and college kids who play a competitive sport because it is fun. I even had some friends who wouldn't apply to colleges that were D I in sports because they wanted to play in college and were really only good enough to play D II or D III ball.

Yes improving is a part of the game, but I don't think that players who aren't good should be told to just give up or not play. We should work on getting better. To use your own words to prove my point, "I am going to play what I know consistently works for me." Not sure what you looked at for my ranked history this season, but I started bronze 3 or bronze 4, and went up to silver 5 (was 4 but I've been stressed the last two weeks and when I play I've been losing focus and trying to make too many plays when I'm the only one ahead on my team, so games I might have been able to carry I end up losing the lead I had). I Play mostly Heimer mid/top and people fuss in low elo about Heimer top sometimes, but I have a 60% win rate over almost 100 games and that is with a pretty crap run my last 10-15 games where I've been playing poorly. Yeah being silver is way lower than your rank, but a 60% win rate isn't terrible on a champ, and I quickly see when I need to improve something if it dips. Over time I find that as I play the champ I like most, I'm getting better and better w/ him and work on stuff every game. For me that is a lot of fun, and I wouldn't have the same motivation to do it if it wasn't in ranked.

You can argue that I shouldn't be enjoying ranked, but I would argue that if you don't enjoy a hobby or game, then the real insanity imo is spending your free time doing something you don't like where you aren't receiving an explicit reward for it (such as getting paid, or making social connections that provide inherent rewards like networking for jobs).

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 11, 20151 votes

Also if you have a suggestion on how to improve faster I'm totally open to hearing it. I'm working on identifying where I make mistakes and I'd say at least 50% of my losses are spots where I made a critical error and could have possibly carried my team if I'd made a better decision or remembered to do something (like not flashing a skill shot and it gets me killed so I die instead of killing the enemy and taking an inhib), but my mechanics are pretty weak, and with my ADHD diagnosis if I'm not taking meds just to play the game then in long games (40+min) it's hard for me to not lose focus somewhere during a game, and a bad decision if I lose focus often can cost a game if I'm the one carrying that game instead of getting carried.

GodhriMay 11, 20151 votes

If it is in ranked that you did this, you deserve those reports. You want people to have faith in you? You're a stranger. You're nobody to everyone who doesn't know you. Why the hell would they put their faith in some guy who is clearly bored with the current meta and just wants to do something different that he's never done before?

Riot made team builder for people who want to try off meta things. This is also what bots are for (although bots are hardly a viable way of testing new off meta things.)