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The 1% of players are trolls claim.

InsaneSamurai··2 votes·574 views

So I decided to start keeping track for a while since Riot always claims it's only 1% of the players that cause problems, and they claim that my seeing significantly more than that is just my mind playing tricks on me. So after making a log, I found that a little over 21% of the players I get paired up with are toxic to the point of deserving reports. 60% of the games I played were ruined by trolls, since they ended up wanting to argue/grief more than they wanted to play the actual game. This is far from the stats that Riot has posted before, and even after sending the log to Riot support, they don't even seem to care. So it looks like this is how things are going to be. Garbage community that Riot just lies about and when you prove to them it's really that bad, they just ignore you :(

I think we need to make it a serious point to tell them that having at least a decent community is extremely important for the longevity of the game. If you keep letting people go down these roads, sure you'll still have players down the line, but they'll basically all be trained to not even type anything without flaming someone, and all the people who prefer reasonable communication will go play something else.

Edit: Why come in here and downvote everything I say and just leave without explaining yourself? You're undermining the entire point of the forums.

21 Comments

redniwediS3 votes

This really depends on definitions. Riot is likely talking about people who only want to ruin the day of other people, where as you're likely talking about people who are frustrated or having an off day and finally snap. One is a constant problem that can be easily measured, where as the other is a temporary thing that rarely lasts more than a game or two.

There is a huge difference between someone who is trolling and someone who is a troll, and I don't think you're making that distinction.

Legostrike4 votes

21% of the players he's met just are having a bad day?

let me put that into perspective, that is about 1/5 of the games he plays. Or 4 PEOPLE out of twenty. So twenty people, let's exclude the enemy team and say that's roughly a person PER GAME.

you get the picture here? I'm willing to be there aren't that many people having a bad day every day.

redniwediS1 votes

I've been matched with the same person a few games in a row before, only to see their behavior swing around wildly. At the start they are nice, they make a few mistakes and they complain, and by the end they are insulting everyone. The next game is the same exact thing. You explain that to me and I'll try considering 21% of people to be a high number instead of a low one.

Legostrike2 votes

That's just not a team friendly personality, which I call toxic as it shows a lack of self control (in regards to his insulting everyone at the end, not getting angry) which other players suffer for.

I guess I do deserve the downvotes I'm getting on my first comment though, I'm using someone else's statistics which is probably drawn from a very small pool of data. I probably should start recording on my own. As Mark Twain said, "There are Lies, Damnable lies, and Statistics."

InsaneSamurai1 votes

Well I drew this from 15 games, which was 75 players worth. I stopped at that point because I felt that 1. that was a pretty excellent example of what my normal attempts to play are like, and 2. how long do I want to keep this going when at the end of the day it probably won't prove anything to anyone. Also, I'm thinking including myself in the 75 player pool is not really correct toward the stat, so if you take me out of the equation it's actually up to 26%, which is one every game. It didn't happen exactly this way, there were actually 5 games in the middle with no trolls at all, then enough in the surrounding games to more than make up for it.

InsaneSamurai2 votes

Regardless of your opinion of what is high and low, 21% is far higher than the 1% that Riot claims. Also, I'm only counting players on my team in this occasion since I generally can't tell who was and wasn't toxic on the enemy side(sometimes you can, but that would skew the stats since most games you have no idea). Actually if I was doing it completely right, it'd be a little bit higher even because I played with some friends during this and included them in the total number of players when they kinda go against the random players statistic(and none of them were trolls, or course :D).

What Legostrike is saying makes sense and doesn't really deserve all these downvotes. 21% is frighteningly close to one guy on every team. Now it doesn't always work this way of course(there are often duo trolls, there have been times where my entire team deserved reports, and there are streaks of games with no toxicity at all), but that number is not really acceptable or remotely close to what Riot has stated.

PrinceOfStorms4 votes

FIfteen games is too small a sample size to apply it to the entire population.

InsaneSamurai1 votes

This is what it's always like. You can make excuses to downvote me all you want, but the fact is this is what it is always like. I've been dealing with this for years. You want a weeks worth of stats? No, cause that would end up also being a too small sample size to apply to the entire population. What about a month? Well there are millions of players, so nah.

Nothing I do is ever going to be an appropriate example for the entire population. What it can be, however, is an appropriate example of what some people have to deal with, and this is not OK.

redniwediS3 votes

If "this is what it's always like" then it shouldn't be too difficult to get a proper sample. Riot pays attention to these boards, but I've seen them pay particularly close attention to people who do research into their game and provide irrefutable evidence about whatever the topic is.

InsaneSamurai1 votes

I sent the info to Riot directly and it was basically ignored. As it is they couldn't have done a much better job of convincing me that they do not care if that was actually their objective.

redniwediS2 votes

Did you miss the part about getting a proper sample size first? I'm talking at least a hundred games or more. Fifteen games is literally useless from a statistics standpoint.

InsaneSamurai1 votes

The thing is, I'm pretty sure that it's a fair representation of most of my playing time. Which, yeah, you'd have to take my word on. However, if I log 80 more matches or such, you're still having to take my word on the results since there is no official way to log these things. If they're not going to believe me, they're not going to believe me no matter how many games I log.

redniwediS1 votes

I don't doubt that at all, you just have to keep in mind that different people experience different things. I personally rarely run into trolls, but see a ridiculous amount of ragers and sportsmanship nazis. Riot looks at a number of games that a single player couldn't possibly experience in their entire League career.

It's possible that they lie to us about these things, but the match history of a single person isn't enough evidence to prove it, let alone 15 games.

Tocosamuri2 votes

Their support staff are the most useless support staff on the face of this earth. Literally only respond with copy and pasted answers that sometimes have nothing to do with anything you said to them. You can tell them to read what you are saying, to give are a real response and they will still answer with a copy and pasted answer its the most frustrating company to deal with. Where do they even find their staff? Cant run a support line, cant run a server, cant run the boards, cant run the new merch store. Just all around useless company.

InsaneSamurai2 votes

Before you downvote this guy, I ask that you send a ticket to Riot and see if they don't slap you with a skim-over copy/paste answer :P

7ha7guy7772 votes

could we have a little more info? what did you deem "trolling" when making the log? you said over 21% of the players you played with were toxic enough to be reported. being toxic isn't necessarily trolling (granted you can be toxic and troll at the same time). what does riot define "trolling" as? what game type were you playing? it's certainly possible that the concentration of "trolls" is higher in certain levels of play and game modes. it's possible that certain servers have higher numbers of trolls or even certain times of year (any time there's a break from school might result in a spike of "trolling") have higher amounts of trolling.

InsaneSamurai1 votes

You're worrying entirely too much about what word i used and not remotely enough about the actual problem.

I played a mixture of ranked, normal draft pick, and team builder.

InsaneSamurai1 votes

If I reported them I put them in the troll category as far as the stats. If they were just a random jerk temporarily but stopped and continued to play the game(which is kinda rare cause the random jerkiness spawns arguments usually), they were not included. The trolls may have not all technically been trolls, but they are problem players for one reason or another. This ranges from someone constantly being negative or insulting whenever they spoke(which distracts everyone from the tasks at hand) to the guy who spends the entire game trying to grief whoever he's mad at(and thus the entire team).

Bad day or not, if someone crosses the line where the game is secondary and the insulting/blaming/arguing/griefing is primary, they deserve a report. This is pretty much normal behavior on here and it really needs to change before everyone just accepts that this is always going to be a game full of toxic raging players.

Edit: Whoops, meant to respond to ya redniwediS

Cryptekkk1 votes

If riot said 1% of the community is "toxic" and your sample size is less than a fraction of 1% then... maybe you're gasp wrong? I agree with redniwedis... you are giving a statistic without a proper sample size, without a proper definition, and without proper oversight.

For instance you could say I am trolling or being toxic because I am disagreeing with you, now would riot consider me toxic for this? I doubt it, we have no idea what your definition is.

Do I think riot is being honest with their "1%" stat? No, no I don't, but you know what? They are a company and they are interested in ONE thing, making money, no matter what they tell you just realize that fact. If they made no money off this game then they wouldn't make it, update it, make new champs, have casters, have e-sports, have events, etc...

InsaneSamurai1 votes

My answer to redniwediS recently kinda covers this, but it basically comes down to having to take my word on something any way I do it. Also I'm not saying that everyone has this experience. It's obviously quite acceptable for some players and quite bad for others. My point is that something needs to be done about the people who consistently get stuck with problem players, because having such a large number of games be decided on arguments and random trolling makes it extremely hard to move on to a different pool of players.

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