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Riotmoonstones10 votesHey Smelp,
We're doing things a bit differently this year, so it won't be just like the Harrowing event you saw last year. Hope this clears things up!
Smelp9 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-20T23:44:28.234+0000)
Hey Smelp,
We're doing things a bit differently this year, so it won't be just like the Harrowing event you saw last year. Hope this clears things up!
I understand the change of pace, but it seems like we're forgetting the tone of the season which made me fall in love with it. Thanks for the comment :-)
Blainezy3 votesI understand the change of pace, but it seems like we're forgetting the tone of the season which made me fall in love with it. Thanks for the comment :-)
EXACTLY! I keep saying the same thing. The Harrowing is a spooky, HALLOWEEN season event. Not a zombie apocalypse that can happen any day of the year. It's really irritating me.
Fowus1 votesKatey please tell me ravenborn leblanc is coming back
Sgathach16 votesAgain, as we've said a million times, we as customers don't want Harrowing in the middle of July and hot outside. While I understand Harrowing can hit "any time of the year" we, as customers, want it during Halloween.
If you were going to do it twice a year with one time randomly and one time during late October I'd be down for that, but this is just isn't cool. I was really excited for Harrowing this year and now I'm so disappointed. You don't even know how much.
Smelp4 votes[{quoted}](name=NaCl Goddess,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2015-10-21T00:57:04.305+0000)
Again, as we've said a million times, we as customers don't want Harrowing in the middle of July and hot outside. While I understand Harrowing can hit "any time of the year" we, as customers, want it during Halloween.
If you were going to do it twice a year with one time randomly and one time during late October I'd be down for that, but this is just isn't cool. I was really excited for Harrowing this year and now I'm so disappointed. You don't even know how much.
Its been mentioned before and you're right, we want to be able to associate Hallowing with shadow isles and not wait for it a couple weeks after Valentines.
Random Task7 votesI wouldn't put it as "we as customers" because many other customers, like me, want a variety of content throughout the year. Of course they can have an event. If they have lore or content specific to the shadow isle, I don't want to wait until October for it. It puts expectations on them that, if the can't make it in time, everyone's mad. It also puts creative restraints on them. You can only do pool party skins during this time, or creepy skins during this time. Like the creativity fly.
Narasimha3 votes'We' is a bit too much. I like the change, it keeps things interesting. Besides, it's not like the Harrowing was a long time event anyway. They're not changing a grand old tradition or anything like that.
Sgathach6 votesI don't think people want pool party skins in winter.
Or Snowdown skins in summer.
From a _company _ point of view it is far more advantageous for them to give content to us when we're in the spirit of the holidays than to not, otherwise we'd see commercials for Christmas layaway in June.
I understand lore wise that the Harrowing can occur at any time, but I'd also like this content during this time of year for a reason. It's October, its the spirit of the month, the seasons are changing and its fun to play games that are spooked out for October to get you in the mood. Maybe I feel it strongly because I'm Eclectic Pagan and I liked the idea of the Harrowing because it related to Samhain.
Like I said in my earlier post, if they were willing to do it twice a year (once in October for sure and then once randomly) I'd be all for that. But dang it there's a reason why we have these seasonal things. Be creative all you want but take into consideration what we want, i.e. the people buying the skins.
As for expectations? They run a professional company. There are going to be expectations, that's part of running a successful and profitable enterprise. They have a lot of creative minds so I expect better than this.
Remlap12233 votesIn terms of pool party and snowdown, they offer both because of the hemispheres. However, because Riot is an American company, therefore based in the northern hemisphere, and celebrates American holidays, I expect Harrowing in Halloween, snowdown skins in winter, and pool party skins in summer (new ones). They can offer snowdown bundles in summer, I'm ok with that. I'm not ok with Harrowing in Easter, or Lunar Revel at New Year's Day. That's just stupid.
Kat Head2 votes[{quoted}](name=NaCl Goddess,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=0002000200010001,timestamp=2015-10-21T08:14:30.067+0000)
I don't think people want pool party skins in winter.
I like the rest of your post, this i take minor exception to. Pool Party Katarina can arrive at anytime of the year and I will be thrilled.
Angry Monster6 voteslike me, want a variety of content throughout the year
you can do that without moving snow down (Xmas) and harrowing (Halloween) around. And riot has stated that snow down is moving also. And i am 100 positive that lunar event is also going to be moved, since they have been slowly delaying that one every year.
Lucifer6 votesYah... plus it kind of feels like they skipped a year now ._.
Remlap12234 votesIf you were going to do it twice a year with one time randomly and one time during late October I'd be down for that, but this is just isn't cool. I was really excited for Harrowing this year and now I'm so disappointed. You don't even know how much.
I 100% agree. This is without question going to make this the worst Harrowing ever.
ArcticSirius3 votesEven though it's not the Harrowing we're use to, props to the folks to made this. Really reminds me of the 60s-80s horror (that start up before it really begins). The music is absolutely sick. Love it all
BottleCapster5 votesI understand you guys are trying something different, and it must be a pain to reiterate that so often, but I am just a bit concerned for the time-scales on this thing... We were told we'll be getting a Harrowing story, but will there be a harrowing event? I think the reason a lot of people are upset about this year's harrowing is honestly because the Harrowing is something unique to League. Its a take on halloween that lends more mystery to the Shadow Isles, raises several questions about their nature, and is honestly an incredibly interesting take on the halloween season.
I'd also argue that opening the Harrowing to being "Able to strike at any time" actually does far more to injure that uniquity than it does to help it. If the idea is to make the Harrowing scary, the whole "Indeterminite Timebomb" thing from a playerbase perspective just feels a tad lazy. Sure it opens up the Harrowing to other times of year, but since Harrowing is League's traditional Halloween event, it just seems a bit tacky to throw it out say after Valentines or Saint Patrick's Day. The idea of the Harrowing being a deliberate time of year to prepare and fear is much more intimidating, more akin to Futurama's Murderous Robot Santa.
In Futurama, Santa never quite loses his fear-factor because everyone knows what he's capable of, and when he needs to come. Its less about being scared all the time (A feeling which would get tiring before long) and more about being concerned about how to deal with this unavoidable threat. The Harrowing falls into that latter category, being an event that should take potentially months of deliberation to ensure that especially Bilgewater is prepared to deal with the encroaching assault. Its a unifying force that threatens everyone, and is able to do so, because people have to work together to overcome it.
Can we have Harrowing events in the year that aren't harrowing related? Yes, lord yes we can. Not every aspect of the Shadow Isles is tied to the Harrowing, and the lands have more than enough wiggle room to tell interesting stories about their inhabitants, and their history. But Harrowing should not be one of those stories. Harrowing is meant to be a big deal, if it can literally come out at the drop of a hat, its less important, less intimidating, and from a lore perspective, less managable.
TL;DR I understand you guys want to try something new. I understand you want to open the Shadow Isles to more options. But decoupling the Harrowing from being a proper seasonal event in exchange for "looming spoopiness" is a poor decision that hurts the event far more than it helps it.. Sure plenty of people are disenfranchised with the whole zombie deal, but the reason they're disappointed is because the Harrowing is so interesting and unique.
PaladinNO1 votes"We"? That being Riot Games or Tencent, who wants more money by shifting legacy skins/other RP costing content at a random, but increased rate?
Tell me, am I wrong in my rather long comment? http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/creative-spotlight/dev-blog-building-better-bio
...I am all game for a good discussion.
t0ad51 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-20T23:44:28.234+0000)
Hey Smelp,
We're doing things a bit differently this year, so it won't be just like the Harrowing event you saw last year. Hope this clears things up!
Bad move
Doctor Jarvis3 votesBut what if...BOTH were Harrowing? Like what if "Harrowing" is a vague concept that can be applied for several different ideas? THAT'S spooky.
Smelp4 votes[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-20T23:37:38.815+0000)
But what if...BOTH were Harrowing? Like what if "Harrowing" is a vague concept that can be applied for several different ideas? THAT'S spooky.
One theme is appealing to the event and ideas behind the harrowing, the other is the skins. And zombies. We are not in 3rd grade, we don't care about zombies.
Catastrop1 votesDoctor Jarvis2 votesIt's six recent zombie movies. Like, real movies. Pervert.
Catastrop1 votes[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-21T02:52:46.912+0000)
It's six recent zombie movies. Like, real movies. Pervert.
Hey, this is the internet can you blame me?
Horrorshow3 votesAlmost the majority of the community has said they don't like it. It was as most of us already knew was going to happen, they are going to shove the concept down our throats regardless. The community was in an uproar over two of the skins not being Harrowing or Halloween enough, but they have yet to do anything about it. As it has been said by a lot of people, they dropped the ball this year with the skins. We are still getting lore for the Harrowing but the community is still left with all of these horrible skins no one likes. Zombie NuNu is fine but the other two do nothing to embody the season.
Smelp2 votesAlmost the majority of the community has said they don't like it. It was as most of us already knew was going to happen, they are going to shove the concept down our throats regardless. The community was in an uproar over two of the skins not being Harrowing or Halloween enough, but they have yet to do anything about it. As it has been said by a lot of people, they dropped the ball this year with the skins. We are still getting lore for the Harrowing but the community is still left with all of these horrible skins no one likes. Zombie NuNu is fine but the other two do nothing to embody the season.
Kinda sad, all that we can do is look to the future and hope they don't make a krampus theme for the holidays
Horrorshow2 votesThey probably have an even outrageous skin line for Christmas that makes absolutely no sense.
MohawkBird7 votesThey have no choice but to shove the concept down our throats. They probably have worked on everything for at least 6 months now (lore, skins, visuals), and they are at no point to just scrap it because the community didn't like it. The only thing we can do as a community is express our opinions on this, and hope they improve it next year.
At this point there is no way they are going to take everything back.
Horrorshow1 votesYeah. They won't be getting any money from me this holiday. I feel like they don't listen and then they get to instances like this where they can do absolutely nothing. I feel like they can do more but it doesn't look like they will do anything.
Smelp2 votesThey have no choice but to shove the concept down our throats. They probably have worked on everything for at least 6 months now (lore, skins, visuals), and they are at no point to just scrap it because the community didn't like it. The only thing we can do as a community is express our opinions on this, and hope they improve it next year.
At this point there is no way they are going to take everything back.
I have different thoughts, I appreciate the work they put into this years content but when first released on pbe and it has such a negotiate conotation; they should change something to please the community, isnt that what the one is for? To test and provide pre-content for live servers?
MohawkBird1 votesI completely agree with you on the fact that the PBE is a place for feedback, but when it comes to something like the Harrowing (takes months of prep), they don't have any time at all to go back. The only thing they can do is accept what they've given now and change it for the future.
blackmoma3 votesTo bad no one is scared of zombies imo. They are slow and can only bite / scratch you. People are scared of ghosts and monsters. Also they could have made some good skins like necromancer Azir and trick or treat Bard. But to bad riot ignores what people want and shove what they want at us.
Smelp2 votesTo bad no one is scared of zombies imo. They are slow and can only bite / scratch you. People are scared of ghosts and monsters. Also they could have made some good skins like necromancer Azir and trick or treat Bard. But to bad riot ignores what people want and shove what they want at us.
Its not even what we want lel, it something necessary to the event!
NegaDKR1 voteshttp://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/tsminteractive.com/files/2013/02/Casper.jpg
The face of terror, truly.
Smelp2 votesYou're missing that its not about the rituals, but the shadow isles "rising" up to take over runeterra which sounds damn better than "dark pacts to raise up zombies".
Jubbinaut2 votesUndead monsters rising up and taking over the world?
Sounds a lot like a zombie apocalypse to me.
Jeddy0171 votesDude,we already been told that the lore people are still going to put a Shadow Isle Harrowing story.
Smelp3 votesDude,we already been told that the lore people are still going to put a Shadow Isle Harrowing story.
Adding a couple paragraphs of text to lore, doesn't replace the event and shouldn't be a replacement, instead an addition to the harrowing related content instead
Jeddy0171 votesWhoa,who said that was the story?No,I'm talking about a actual story should be coming.Yes,a few Shadow Isle champs are getting their expanded lore soon as well.
And who was talking about it being a replacement for the event?I'm saying that something about the Shadow Isle is still happening this Harrowing.It's just that it's only happening on the lore side of LOL.Meanwhile other teams get to do their own thing for Harrowing.
Also,wasn't last year the only "Shadow Isle" Harrowing with SI influence skin?I don't know why you think Harrowing only have to be about the Shadow Isle.What does that make all the previous years,which were more "Halloween" Harrowing?
Jeddy0171 votesHere's your real Harrowing mate http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/shadow-and-fortune/ Happy now?You get this & the skins team get to do their own thing.
Smelp2 votesWell written ^
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesSpoopy.
Jubbinaut1 votesI must be terribly confused about what Harrowing's supposed to be about. Is it about dark pacts with dark entities (such as those traditionally used to raise zombies)? Is it about death and the undead (like zombies)? Is it about a larger horror theme (a genre zombies are traditionally associated with)?
What am I missing?
skyfall6191 votesThe shadow isles event willstill prolly happen soon. And we may get more then one a year with the change.
The Red Goat1 votesTo everyone here who has been using the term "we" in their comments,
YOU ARE NO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY SO PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TALK FOR EVERYBODY!
You can have your own opinion, but not everyone has your exact opinion.
Not everybody thinks zombies aren't scary. If I saw dead and decaying corpses walking around I'd get more than a little freaked out.
Not everyone thinks the Harrowing event has got to be the same as that one year where everything was timed well for Halloween. Good as that particular version of the event was not every Rioter is going to have that same kind of inspired style, and it is very likely that as a company if an employee has an idea for something new they will be willing to listen to him (which in the case of the zombie apocalypse theme they probably have).
Not everyone cares whether the same event is at the same time every year. If Riot had "Harrowing" skins ready in March why would they bother sitting on them for 6+ months when they could just have another skin set come out then? Or another example how many "creepy" skins has Riot released before that were not released on or even near Harrowing?
So taking into account the above, please start taking into account that you are not the entire community when you post and learn to adjust your comments appropriately.
Smelp5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Red Goat,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=c6bnrHRZ,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-10-21T14:43:15.819+0000)
To everyone here who has been using the term "we" in their comments,
YOU ARE NO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY SO PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TALK FOR EVERYBODY!
You can have your own opinion, but not everyone has your exact opinion.
Not everybody thinks zombies aren't scary. If I saw dead and decaying corpses walking around I'd get more than a little freaked out.
Not everyone thinks the Harrowing event has got to be the same as that one year where everything was timed well for Halloween. Good as that particular version of the event was not every Rioter is going to have that same kind of inspired style, and it is very likely that as a company if an employee has an idea for something new they will be willing to listen to him (which in the case of the zombie apocalypse theme they probably have).
Not everyone cares whether the same event is at the same time every year. If Riot had "Harrowing" skins ready in March why would they bother sitting on them for 6+ months when they could just have another skin set come out then? Or another example how many "creepy" skins has Riot released before that were not released on or even near Harrowing?
So taking into account the above, please start taking into account that you are not the entire community when you post and learn to adjust your comments appropriately.
The content is for us (we) not the employer as for the consistency of the event, they should take into consideration the changes their making to the event and have a chance for the community to react and respond instead of "forcing it down our throats". Especially with how dramatic the change of tone is
The Red Goat1 votesI can understand how it feels like the idea is being "forced down your throat", but I also understand the player base currently has no say in what content Riot puts out nor can they change when Riot decides to release that content. Basically the content may be made for the players, but its not made by the players.
Now such a feature would be incredible useful if players were allowed to essentially vote on what kind of content they wanted to see happen next, and I sorta hope that's what Riot is leading up to with special events not being tied to a certain season anymore, However I also see where such a voting system could be abused by trolling players or trolls in general and Riot has usually been quite cautious about anything that would allow such abuse. Still, I can definitely admit a more noticeable heads up about the change in the event would have been nice.
And to possibly better explain the whole "don't say we" thing is that I feel very strongly about using the right words to describe what I mean to someone, and if I can't find the right words I tend not to say anything rather than be misunderstood. In an extreme (and sorta funny) case you could look at the Dragonball Z abridged episode (look up Team Four Star on Youtube if you don't know what I mean here) involving Bardok trying to speak for the rest of the Sayains. While Bardok says "we won't put up with your tyranny anymore" there might be a number of Sayains that would very willingly work for Freiza despite his actions against their race.
Toxin Flush1 votesI don't understand why you can't do the events on the Holiday as well as when riot sees fit. I honestly don't see the benefit of changing this so much. Why does it have to be one or the other. Plus when you don't tell people about the change and they spend money, its a real bummer. And, I like candy corn on Halloween not Thanksgiving. Is this because riot thinks they can sell more skins on thanksgiving. IDK. wish I did.
Boulderox1 votes. >_> soooooo everyone thinks that the whole story thing they did with the shadow isles characters and the story they made AND THE NEW CHAMPION... mean nothing just because it did not start at halloween... but actually was up a week ago for viewing. MIND YOU one of the largest criticisms of the harrowing skins is that they are not "Haloween-y" enough....
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