I hate support, it is so boring and stupid.

DJ Fuego··2 votes·2,209 views

How do you have fun with this role? Like seriously. I'm not bad at it really, I do pretty well most of the time when I'm forced to supp, but its 40min wasted and I lose most of time really. My lane usually does fairly well, we never dominate, but we sure do at least sustain and not feed our asses off early. People say "Play an aggressive supp, they can do something", that is bs. Do you ever see a Leona support 1 or 2 shotting the enemy? No. Their carry has to be ass if they lose a 1 v 1 to a supp. The only way you can MAYBE do damage as a supp is if you go full AP with a certain type like Annie or Brand or Lux. But even still you have to build a damn gold income item and a sightstone, that takes up 2 slots, not to mention you get no farm. Its just walking back and forth like a r%%%%% in lane throwing hooks and snares hoping to god that one hits OR its sit back and spam that heal that you have when your adc decides its time to go full r%%%%%. The amount of bullshit that people say "When you play supp you can actually carry the lane by making plays and locking down the enemy to get your carries fed", that line right there at the end "to get your carries fed" is the one that pisses me off the most. Why the hell would I want to trust some stranger to get the kill and be the person who would have the fate of the game rested in their hands because they have to be the one to shred everyone else. I understand if you were in a team and you have a friend you can trust, but even still you're not getting kills either way. The game might be a team game, but no one is gonna do shit for you, you have to carry yourself, you can't trust anyone in solo q. Literally a support has to put all their trust into the adc thinking "Oh god please let this adc be able to carry me". I have lost numerous games because of the "R%%%%% Vayne That Could", or it could even be another lane that someone loses cause they aren't good enough. As supp, I have no power to help them, I can't go to their lane and risk wasting my time if we don't get the kill. That leaves the adc bot where they think 2 v 1 is a good option.

Killing = Winning. Now you might be saying "NO, TOWERS WIN GAMES AND OBJECTIVES", and I understand that. But how do you get to those objectives, I'm sure the enemy won't just let you walk to drag or baron or a tower and take it will they? You have to put up the fight. Kills come before everything, literally. You can't take baron without killing, you can't take that inhib tower without fighting for it. You try to win a game without killing A SINGLE ENEMY, see how it works out for you.

Just point blank, every other role is superior to supp, in every role you farm, kill, and deal the damage to take towers and be a threat to the enemy team. As supp you do none of that, most of the time I see teams literally walking past the supp to kill everyone else, like they aren't even a part of the game. I swear I was playing Katarina or Zed and I completely forgot that their supp even existed until he was the last one left in the teamfight.

The game just isn't enjoyable if you're not deleting the other person. No one goes "FIRST PICK? OH BOY IM GUARANTEED SUPP" Everyone likes to do the damage, me especially. I have about 24 pentas this season alone (Don't believe me? You can check) and none of them have come from playing supp.

66 Comments

Deep Terror Nami10 votes

If you don't like support then don't play it. Don't assume you speak for anybody but yourself either.

DJ Fuego1 votes

I speak for everyone who understands how unrewarding it is to play support, if you don't believe me ask the majority who's least favorite role is supp, I cant exactly choose what I wanna play all the time. If I could I'd be playing kat mid all day every day racking up pentas

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Do you also go to the opera just to tell them all that it sucks and they need to change it to your preferred musical genre?

darkmatchwaldo4 votes

Play teambuilder if that's how you feel. Support is all about the team, you aren't there to do damage.

DJ Fuego1 votes

Please...I wish. If there was a teambuilder ranked I would be playing that all the time. Sure it is all about the team, but really. Can you trust your team? Can you trust the other 4 strangers that queued up with you? Can you trust the fact that mid and top will dominate or go even in lane? Can you trust your jungler to have good ganks and have presence? Can you trust your adc to have god farm and do the damage with good positioning? In solo q, you can't trust anyone to do it for you? When you play supp you basically say "Aight Imma be here, you guys need to carry me"

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Can your team trust you to support? Can the ADC trust you to harass when you need to so he doesn't get shoved under turret? Can your jungler rely on you to keep up solid vision in the bot half of the map? Can your mid laner rely on you for roaming help if you're on a champ who can gankThresh Annie Alistar Shen? Can your ADC trust you to peel him to safety when he gets hit by a Blitzcrank? You could not be more wrong. When you play supp you're telling your team "you guys dish out the damage, i'll handle the behind the scenes work." That work depends on the type of support you're playing, whether that be engage, peel, or general utility. A good support is setting up/denying vision for dragon/baron, denying vision for easy ganks, zoning the enemy ADC from farm, deep warding enemy jungle so your jungler can track them, etc. If your ADC doesn't have god farm, he might suck OR that might be your fault. Maybe you weren't zoning the enemy support enough. Maybe he got ganked and set behind because your ward placement sucked or you let it time out without replacing it. Sure sometimes your ADC isn't very good but you'd be surprised how many times your carry doesn't do well because well....they had crappy help. My team doesn't carry me, i carry them.

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DJ Fuego1 votes

You literally described what I hate about supp. My team dishes out the damage, meaning they are the spotlight. Playing supp is like working as a behind the scenes guy in a famous movie. The celebrities get the spotlight, while you get almost no credit except in the end screen.

braidedadhesive4 votes

"Killing = Winning."

If that was true there would be no support mains in challenger. This game isn't Call of Duty, it's a lot more complex than Kills = Wins

DJ Fuego1 votes

True, objectives and towers win games sure. But how do you expect to get to them, you won't accomplish anything without a fight. You can't win a game without killing, its just not possible.

kaltenashes1 votes

cheese tactics, 5v1/2/3 enemy/ies while he's/they're like warding baron

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2051160869/229124937

64 kills for the enemy VS 48 kills for my team

this game i was lulu supp and quinn (adc) got fed, but she was a bit not-smart and she ulted (a lot) into 3 enemies and was always the first to die

we lost every single team fight, but the enemy was taking joy on winning they never pushed to win, the took an inhib and thats all, they started pushing other lanes

we found some space to breathe and we were able to take baron. we forced a teamfight and we lost

but a miracle happened and we got in a 5v3 fight in mid, we pushed mid and got the 2 other enemies that led to an ace then it was gg

DJ Fuego1 votes

Well of course, late game is always an exception, because late game is a point where its life or death. One teamfight won at 45 min and its an almost guaranteed win. That has never changed.

Chrige1 votes

Not entirely true, I had a game where we just split push to victory, every time they showed up we walked away and then went right back after they left. Kill count was low for both teams with the few being during the laning phase

WngNut3 votes

I happen to love supporting, it's my favorite role. I'm sorry you don't like it but isn't it everyone's choice what they like or don't like? you don't have to flame an entire role just because you don't like it, just play something else...

DJ Fuego1 votes

I would love to play another role, but when you're last pick or that asshole under you decides to lock in your lane I have no choice, but to endure 40 min of watching solo lanes get destroyed. I speak for everyone who realizes that supp doesn't get much power and that is the reason why it is the most least liked role in the game. Proven fact. Lets be honest, if the support role was taken out of the game and it was just 4 players, the game wouldn't have a dramatic change. All lanes have 1 person in them, adc bot becomes just a normal solo lane like the other two and jungle has literally no difference. If you had a game where there was an afk, which role would you rather have afked? ADC, Support, Top, Mid, Or Jungle. Probably supp, since all the others can carry on pretty much without the support just fine.

Chrige1 votes

Without the support to help protect the adc, assassins would just go bot every game and shred the enemy adc.

DJ Fuego1 votes

They already do, supports being there makes almost no difference. How do you think most of my Kat games go? Sure I get fed mostly mid, but bot just adds overkill.

DJ Fuego1 votes

Assassins do that already. That never changed, supports don't stop that. Assassins are made to do what they do and be almost untouchable doing it.

Dangerous Man3 votes

Yeah I don't make posts about junglers being useless just because I get executed even with a leash. Support is really not hard and you are prolly choosing the kind you're bad at. Try Disengaging supports:Janna Nami Alistar Engaging:Leona Blitzcrank Thresh Tank:Rammus Shen Leona Braum Off Meta:Amumu Heimerdinger Veigar Zac Fiddlesticks Poke:Anivia Bard Nidalee Team player:Bard Sona Soraka And a lot more. Mine are the poke and tank supports.

DJ Fuego1 votes

Trust me I have tried every supp known to man, I'm almost never bad at them, but if anything goes wrong I'm useless, or if another lanes feeds, I don't have the power to stop it. Roaming doesn't work if the enemy is like 3/0.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

That's a problem right there, you are NEVER useless as support. 3/0 is nothing in this game, the other day i played a game where the enemy team was leading in gold the ENTIRE game from first blood. At one point they had an 8.9k gold lead, we still won. Power spikes don't last forever. If you're warding well and making good decisions you can minimize the damage a fed enemy is doing until your team hits a power spike of their own. Support is ALL about good decision making and shot calling. If you're useless at any point in the game, it's because your decision making isn't up to par.

DJ Fuego1 votes

I'm not the decision maker, my carries are. You have to listen to whoever is dealing the damage and creating opportunities to push. And 3/0 is hell in this game now. Shit, 1/0 is considered a 70% chance won lane, unless the enemy jungler camps you for the next 5min. Any lead in this game now results in a snowball. Its how it is built now. Games are shorter cause people snowball. Giving a Riven first blood or simply one kill ahead of you and you have a freshly lost lane. At 1/0 Riven could possibly 2 v 1 you and your jungler because of the amount of power she gains.

WalkingInACircle2 votes

I just play Morg and laugh at people whenever I hit them with my Q.

Also Braum. Cockblocking your enemies can be pretty fun, plus he's a ham.

DJ Fuego1 votes

I've played Morg, I like her and she isn't bad at all. I usually win lane with her, but once late game hits Im useless and I can't do much damage. I throw a q expecting it to deal 1/4 of their health and it ends up doing 1/12 no matter how much ap I try to build. Braum is actually a supp whom I can play and not drown completely in boredom, but even still I hate it.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Late game is all about timing E well and when to item 3157 Ult. Landing a Q is nice and all but your team most likely has someone like GnarMalphite to do some real engaging. Building morgana as a utility tank usually works out better.

DJ Fuego1 votes

Sure, the cc helps. But if my team can't dish out damage, then Im useless.

iBubbles2 votes

I main support, healing is so useful it isn't even funny. Every role has a place in this game, it is a team oriented game. It isn't supposed to be based on who gets the most kills. This is supposed to be everyone playing a role in order to work together as a team, how do people always forget that this is in fact a team game?

DJ Fuego1 votes

Sure, it is a team game. That applies more to a 5 v 5 ranked team, I'm talking about solo q mostly. You can't trust anyone in solo q, you have to plan to carry when you play by yourself, cause no one will do it for you. Supports have to rely on their whole team to carry them, while the supp just sits at bot for 10 min making sure your adc doesn't go full retard. Once laning phase is over the adc is kind of on its own. A good adc can peel for himself by actually using his team as a shield without them trying to peel for him. Positioning and quick reactions make up adcs, supports just give them an easier way to get up there. Once they do their job they are almost invisible. It might be a team game, but in the end, who gets the most praise? Its rare to see supports get praise for carrying.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

The team gets the praise because you all won. Why do you need someone telling you "oh man you got so many kills you totally carried."

If you're doing your job as a support you will get countless people saying stuff like "Leona MVP" "Best Soraka NA" and other silly little things like that. A good support DOES have a noticeable impact and they will NEVER be invisible. The reason you aren't good as support is this right here "Supports have to rely on their whole team to carry them, while the supp just sits at bot for 10 min making sure your adc doesn't go full retard." That is so far from the truth it makes my face hurt. If you're just babysitting your adc for the first ten minutes of course you're not gonna do well. You have to set up kills and force them down your ADC's throat. If your ADC is hella bad, you have to zone the enemy and give him space to easily farm. It's not just sit around and make sure your ADC doesn't die. This is not some one dimensional role. You actions have a huge impact on the long term of them game, you have to think on a large scale to be effective as a support. You have to be thinking 3 minutes ahead all the time instead of standing around making sure your carry doesn't die.

DJ Fuego1 votes

As a supp you have one ability and that is to set up kills. However, as any carry you have two abilities which are: Set up kills AND get the kills. A good carry can set a kill up for themselves if they are mechanically good at the game. For me, Im mechanically pretty good at the game, this makes up for having only 2 rune pages and other down sides of mine. Mechanically, I understand to to maneuver champions and make outplays. And I'm talking true outplays, ones that make a person's jaw drop in awe. Not "outplays" as in a simple gank that results in a kill. I'm just generally good in that area, which is why I play mechanical based champs. People might not realize it, but kat takes lots of mechanical skill and movement. Sure her kit is easy, but the way you play her isnt.

Anyways, as any carry I can do whatever a supp can do and more, and thats how every carry should play. Every game you must always assume that your team isn't going to be there for you 24/7, this is where the phrase "team game" becomes exaggerated. Every game you have to assume and plan to set up things for yourself. If a teammate does it for you, then good, less work you have to do. But if they dont? Better to be ready and have your game plan than be that idiot being destroyed by the enemy Yi.

Catastrop2 votes

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. Do you ever see a Leona support 1 or 2 shotting the enemy? .

This tells me that Support just isn't for you.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

The best part is Leona actually can 2 shot squishy champs. item 3401 item 3110 item 3190 item 3117 item 2045 item 3001

PRAISE THE SUN!

DJ Fuego1 votes

If she is ahead, and thats like really really ahead. If not she gets raped.

DJ Fuego1 votes

Yet, Im still forced to play it.

Akenero1 votes

Try skarner support Or urgot I happen to enjoy the silly playstyle of leona and sona, and especially janna Leo: "W e q walk away and circle around and do it again" Sona: "q auto q auto q auto q auto w" Janna: " OKEY BYE!"

DJ Fuego1 votes

Trust me I have tried every supp ever, doesn't work, I never enjoy it. Especially, if sometimes your adc is full retard and decides to dive the full health tristana.

Akenero1 votes

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Trust me I have tried every supp ever, doesn't work, I never enjoy it. Especially, if sometimes your adc is full retard and decides to dive the full health tristana.

Then protect them Support is about keeping your ally alive, who needs kills when you literally just made your team's strongest member, adc, get fed as hell? Support is arguably more important than mid lane, as without a support, your katarina would die instantly.

DJ Fuego1 votes

You legit just explained alot of what I hate about supp, its the slave role. You get no power what so ever. "Keeping you're ally alive", you are literally saying that supp is played they can get someone else into the spotlight so they can do all the damage and go 20/1. I don't think thats fair to the supp who gets no attention and no power. Can you 1 v 1 the Katarina as supp Lux? No you can't, mid Lux yes, but supp Lux no. You know you are weak if you can't 1 v 1 at least one person on the enemy team and unless the supp is literally fed on kills, they won't be in any kind of duel.

Akenero1 votes

Ive gone support sona, my adc went afk, and i fucking took over as the bot lane damage Ive carried many people to victory with leona I can 1v1 the majority of all adc champions with taric lategame, no kills

Supports who do damage are kill lanes, and those can buy sightstone and then 5 rabadons and still be a "support" You aren't understanding the role's requirements, and you never will, so just play freaking veigar "support" and go 17/2 or something while your 1/3 adc jinx just laughs at the silliness of targon's veigar one shotting people

kaltenashes1 votes

why would veigar have targon? does his q applies on hit effect?

Akenero1 votes

No, but if you last hit minions with it you still give your adc gold and get ap derp, face of the mountain

Catastrop2 votes

Killing the minion still procs it. Doesn't matter how you kill them, it will proc.

kaltenashes1 votes

ohh didnt know that, i've searched for veigar support on youtube and every video people started item 3303

DJ Fuego1 votes

Good luck dueling a vayne with a taric, or jinx, or lucian, or any adc ever. Leona is just a champ packed with stuns and that turns around to bite her in the ass real quick. Sona does massive damage, but only early unless you build AP.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Except i've seen TahmKench support 1v1 an ADC, kill them, and walk away at half health.

kaltenashes1 votes

i dont like supp that much, but i enjoy playing apc support Karma item 3092 item 3165 item 3116 item 3158 item 3151 item 3089

DJ Fuego2 votes

Karma is ok, but once you have someone on the enemy team fed. You can't stop them. You're useless when behind and get blown up by almost anyone. Her r+q is the only good thing on her.

kaltenashes1 votes

that is what all yasuo's thought about me, and i did help A LOT stopping their stomp...i miss 5.22

snare the fed one, shield your allies in a team fight, poke that deals a lot of damage to those that dont have mr

item 3151 + item 3116 + thunderlords or deathfire touch is a nice combination

Tesla the Cat1 votes

Do you know what the meaning of teamwork is?

DJ Fuego1 votes

I do, idk about you. You seem like one of the people who misuses the word "Teamwork". You people make it seem as if EVERYTHING is to be done as a team. Your team isn't your mother, your team ain't god, your team ain't Jesus. Your team isn't going to be there for you 24/7, people need to learn that. Idc how much you pinged that you needed help in a gank that could have been easily avoided or even 2 v 1ed. I would most likely be doing my own shit, controlling my own lane, farming myself up so that I can get ahead. I'll help you once in awhile if Ik I would benefit from it too, but if not then its pointless. And I would like it the same for me, sure a few ganks here and there, but give me time to do my own shit, don't bring 4 people into my lane. Don't force me to have to rush my ass to bot because their jungler decided to gank or top decided to tp. And don't excessively help me, just a gank here and there, I'm more than capable of mechanically taking care of myself. If you worry about yourself in the game more than you do trying to benefit other strangers then you would be carrying out your ass way more often.

Tesla the Cat1 votes

Then in your opinion what should the 5th person on each team do? Absolutely nothing? Share gold? You can go right ahead I'm going help my team win by playing champs who don't need much gold and have utility without gold to cc or protect my team. This is the system that has worked so far and is the one Riot has accepted.

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